<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you notice, Marbury's name is almost always at the center of every tempest. He constantly is portrayed as the wedge that will cleave Brown and Thomas apart. Yesterday, he bit back in the most foolish way possible, saying, among other things, that if changing his game to suit Brown is "what it's going to take to win, I'm down for it. But if we lose, I'm not going to be happy." Marbury's problem never has been that he doesn't try hard or doesn't care. He just doesn't have a nuanced grasp of how to win. He doesn't seem to "get" things, even when everyone around him is spelling it out for him. The only thing he hates more than losing is being blamed. This should be the best time of Marbury's career. He's made his money. He's the only NBA player other than Oscar Robertson to average at least 20 points and eight assists a game for his career. The only thing Marbury, 28, has left to prove is that he can win. And in the offseason, who fell out of the sky and onto the Knicks' bench next to him but Brown, not just the best coach in the business but a guy who has turned oft-maligned point guards into winners. Yet just when you're tempted to say "give Marbury some slack," he speaks as he did yesterday. In a recent interview on Stephen A. Smith's ESPN show "Quite Frankly," Marbury made even more damning remarks that demonstrate what he really thinks. When Smith asked Marbury to respond to the criticism that he isn't a point guard who makes players around him better, Marbury was defiant. "When you look at the game of basketball, first of all, if you and I are on the team, I can't make you do nothing," Marbury scoffed. "You have to be accountable for something. So when we step on the basketball court, all this about 'he made him better' and 'he made him do this' and 'he made him do that.' You can't make nobody do nothing on the basketball court." Marbury's contention merely flies against, oh ... maybe 100 years of basketball wisdom. Thomas, Magic Johnson and great point guards dating to Bob Cousy certainly didn't believe what Marbury does. Still, Thomas thinks he understands Marbury. In a conversation Thomas and I had recently, he said he sees in Marbury a man who has been so scalded by criticism at every NBA stop he's made that he's become overly sensitive, even defiant. "He is sensitive -- and angry," Thomas said. "There's a certain amount of anger and intensity you need to play with when you're 6-foot-1 or 6-foot-2, like he is, to average 20 points a night, to dominate the game, to run the show, do all of that - and do it at his size. Because the people you're competing against are almost all bigger and stronger than you. And that energy has to be drawn from somewhere. "So yeah, there's a chip on his shoulder," Thomas said, "and that chip needs to stay there. Because if that chip ever leaves, he'll be down to 12 points and four assists a night. Just another regular 6-foot-2 guy. And those guys are a dime a dozen." If Marbury doesn't succeed under Brown, it won't be because he lacks talent. It will be because he has a tin ear. </div> Source
Wow. Marbury isnt very bright. If Marbury wanted to get traded that bad all he had to do was ask. Oh well I knew it wouldnt work out between Marbury and Brown. Marbury cares too much about his stats and his own personal glory to ever be a true winner. The only remaining questions are: 1)When will he be traded? 2)Who will be dumb enough or desperate to take him? Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. Marbury isnt very bright. If Marbury wanted to get traded that bad all he had to do was ask. Oh well I knew it wouldnt work out between Marbury and Brown. Marbury cares too much about his stats and his own personal glory to ever be a true winner. The only remaining questions are:</div> Exactly why he left Minny and KG, where they could have done very well, why he left Jersey, why he left Phoenix, and why he may be on his way out of New York. He needs to be the man. He needs to be an All-Star who leads his team in scoring every night.
Brown is not an easy coach to play for and Marbury does not always have the best attitude, so a possible disagreement was foreseeable, however, I seriously doubt it is as serious as everyone is making it sound; just something blown out of proportion by the infamous New York media. Marbury knows good and well if he can not work with Brown he’ll be shipped out. It’s as simple as that. Right now we need him to play point. Nate is still a rookie and doesn’t always make the best of decisions. Sure, Crawford can play point, but we need his point production, especially with Quentin Richardson struggling early on. But let’s speculate for a minute. Who would we want for Marbury and who actually is available? There’s the Steve Francis, but as much as I like Steve, I don’t see his game meshing into Larry Brown’s system. Well, if he’s playing shooting guard, that’ll be a different story. At the point, Francis wouldn’t be a good fit. He’s a low percentage shooter and is extremely turnover prone. I don’t think a Marbury for Francis trade wouldn’t work out too well. Other than Francis, what other all-star caliber is on the market? We’re better off keeping Marbury for now, especially only 8 games into the season. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. Marbury isnt very bright. If Marbury wanted to get traded that bad all he had to do was ask. Oh well I knew it wouldnt work out between Marbury and Brown. Marbury cares too much about his stats and his own personal glory to ever be a true winner.</div> I don't think it's about stats this time. In the game against the Lakers he said he felt like a non-factor because his biggest part of his game is scoring, but he wasn't able to playing the point. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The only remaining questions are: 1)When will he be traded? 2)Who will be dumb enough or desperate to take him? Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.</div> Maybe we can trade Marbury for a lottery pick? I wouldn't mind that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. Marbury isnt very bright. If Marbury wanted to get traded that bad all he had to do was ask. Oh well I knew it wouldnt work out between Marbury and Brown. Marbury cares too much about his stats and his own personal glory to ever be a true winner.</div> I don't think it's about stats this time. In the game against the Lakers he said he felt like a non-factor because his biggest part of his game is scoring, but he wasn't able to playing the point. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The only remaining questions are: 1)When will he be traded? 2)Who will be dumb enough or desperate to take him? Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.</div> Maybe we can trade Marbury for a lottery pick? I wouldn't mind that.
The problem right now is the roster. Marbury wants to play the role Iverson played in Philly, but Larry Brown isn't confident in anyone else on the Knicks starting at point guard. Isiah Thomas has to step in and figure out a trade land Larry Brown the point guard he wants running his offense, and then slide Marbury to the two guard. It's a compromise, and I think the Knicks have the pieces to get a deal done for a veteran guard. Eric Snow - Aaron McKie - Derek Fisher These guys would all fit the job description for LB, and I think they could all be acquired by simply trading Mo Taylor or Penny.
^ I agree, when I first read this article the first player I thought of was Fisher as their new PG. It would be pretty tough to make the trade work because all of the Knick players are high paid and are under long contracts, but it's something they can probably work out. Penny Hardaway's contract is about to expire, so maybe they can trade Foyle and Fisher for Hardaway? Again I dont know if the numbers work on that but they get rid of last year's mistakes on those contracts. With Isiah Thomas being the GM of NY I wouldn't doubt he would accept a trade like this, eventhough it jams up their cap more than ever.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">^ I agree, when I first read this article the first player I thought of was Fisher as their new PG. It would be pretty tough to make the trade work because all of the Knick players are high paid and are under long contracts, but it's something they can probably work out. Penny Hardaway's contract is about to expire, so maybe they can trade Foyle and Fisher for Hardaway? Again I dont know if the numbers work on that but they get rid of last year's mistakes on those contracts. With Isiah Thomas being the GM of NY I wouldn't doubt he would accept a trade like this, eventhough it jams up their cap more than ever.</div> Nah, I think Penny is going 2 stay in NY for 1 year. The knicks desperately need expiring contracts. I like Fisher. He's a playmaker and can shoot the 3. He fit in the phil's triangle so he'll probably do the same in LB's. He's a fundamental player who takes care of the ball. I would love fisher to come. GS needs more size so maybe they take mo or Rose.
If the Knicks traded Marbury they'd be my favorite team right away, he's a hometown guy but he's not mature enough to be the player he could've once been. Sure he's got he record he shares with the Big O but he hasnt won as much as the Big O did and he's no where near the caliber of player the Big O was. Steph needs to keep his head straight and play through it, be a proffesional and do what the coach wants you to.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Buckets:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Knicks traded Marbury they'd be my favorite team right away, he's a hometown guy but he's not mature enough to be the player he could've once been. Sure he's got he record he shares with the Big O but he hasnt won as much as the Big O did and he's no where near the caliber of player the Big O was. Steph needs to keep his head straight and play through it, be a proffesional and do what the coach wants you to.</div> No offense, but you are the biggest bandwagoner I have ever seen. You change your favourite team and player like every 2 weeks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">No offense, but you are the biggest bandwagoner I have ever seen. You change your favourite team and player like every 2 weeks.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">No offense, but you are the biggest bandwagoner I have ever seen. You change your favourite team and player like every 2 weeks.</div>
I think Nate can start as a point guard. He could be as good as Tony Parker once he develops. Jamal Crawford is probably the quickest 2-guard in the league, he is a good matchup nightmare at SG. Trade Stephon Marbury for Al Harrington. Starters: Ariza, Crawford, Nate, Curry, Harrington Bench: Channing Frye, David Lee, Antonio Davis
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Nate can start as a point guard. He could be as good as Tony Parker once he develops. Jamal Crawford is probably the quickest 2-guard in the league, he is a good matchup nightmare at SG. Trade Stephon Marbury for Al Harrington. Starters: Ariza, Crawford, Nate, Curry, Harrington Bench: Channing Frye, David Lee, Antonio Davis</div> . Nate is an ecstatic point guard, who gives up too many TO's. He's not as good ball handler as marbury or crawford. Nate is better off the bench because he gives alot of energy. A spark like Ariza does. Why would we trade Steph for Al. We already have 3 sf's. If anything trade for a backup pg like Fisher or Watson but not sf's.
Nate has no chance of starting, he lacks point guard skills and tries to dominate, when he's not that very good, lets not forget, he was projected mid second round, never 21st Larry Brown isn't letting Marbury play at all, Marbury isn't a scrub like Billups He's an establish superstar, you can't mold him into what you want him to be, he's already molded Billups wasn't molded
