<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"I know right now, everybody's hopping off the Yao bandwagon," Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy said. "That happens. People are fickle. When a guy doesn't make (shots) it's condemn Yao. It's either Yao is right behind Shaq (O'Neal) or Yao is right below the worst center in the league. With Yao, the only thing I feel badly about is people try to raise expectations up so high, they're actually satisfied with nothing that he does. I feel badly for him in that way. </div> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...kn/3487342.html This article is talking about how alot of fans are starting to turn on Yao. But this is nothing new over the last few seasons. The problem is yao was hyped way to much early in his career.
I dont feel bad for him. He took the big payday. Along with that comes pressure. If he wants the fans off his back he can start by playing better. I admit Im a big T-mac fan and followed him when he came to Houston. I got the NBA pass on Directv and it was the first time I saw a lot of Yao play. I was very disappointed. I think Yao is way over hyped. He cant rebound, cant block shots, cant play great Defense, cant dominate offensively in the paint, cant carry a team, cant get open for a pass...etc the list goes on and on. Now because of his height and he does have skill he can be alright at those thing but he is not a super star at all. He needs other good players to make him look good. He cant play a physical mean game and just seems to get pushed around.
<font color=""Red"">EDITED</font> you have no clue bout Yao Ming. He can do all of you said if not more than you think. Yao has his games were he can suck and your just hating on Yao. He just had 30 points agaisnt the bulls, last time he did that was in Feb. Yao is having his best year in PPG. 2nd best year in both, OFF Reb and DEF Reb. So please, explain, What are you talking about? <font color=""Red"">Please refrain from making personal attacks- AznxBaller</font>
***He just had 30 points agaisnt the bulls, last time he did that was in Feb*** yea and didnt Jon Barry have 30 pts the one night? Having a good game here and there is a far cry from being a consistent great player. There is no reason why a 7' 6 all star player shouldn't be averaging more then 18pts and 8 rbs a game. Then to think that with T-Mac out, Yao is the focus of the team and that's the best he can do. Sorry, but Yao is just a good role player. He isnt an All Star player. He cant carry a team. I never see him dominate the boards on a consistent basis. Yao is just over hyped. The sooner we realize this the less we get frustrated. Personally I find Yao to be the most frustrating player in the NBA. He drops too many passes, loses to many rebounds, picks up too many cheap fouls, gets pushed around to much under the basket. Its actually hard to watch him at times. Until Yao can average 25 pts and 12 rebs he is either underachieving or is a good role player.
Averaging 25/12 is a high expectation of Yao Ming, especially in the system the Rockets play in. Tim Duncan has only averaged those type of numbers once in his career, the only player in the last few years to put up those type of stats was Shaq, but he was shooting the ball 20+ times a game. The Rockets need to acquire a PG who knows how to feed the ball inside the post. None of the guards know how to deliver an entry pass, and they are reluctant to give Yao the pass when he kicks out and reposts.
As poorly as Yao has played at times this season, there is one thing that is indisputable. When Yao's on the court, the Rockets have outscored opponents 1.2 points per 48 minutes. When he's off the court, the Rockets have been outscored 18.5 points per 48 minutes. This differential is by far the greatest amongst all the players on the team, including McGrady. Based on this stat, one could argue that Yao has been our most valuable player. Yeah, Yao fumbles the ball a lot and he can be painfully slow to the ball at times, but when he's at fully energy there's no better center in the game excluding Shaq. And people should quit saying that Yao suck because he's 7'6" and can't dominate like Shaq. Name a single other player over 7'4" who consistently rebounded the ball or scored inside as well as Yao? There aren't any. Great height has its advantages, but it also has its disadvantages (lack of agility). Just because Yao is huge, that doesn't mean it should be easy for him to go 25 and 12. Regardless, it's plain foolish to judge players based on their physical attributes. We should judge players based on what they do while on the court. And in that regard, there are few centers in the league better than Yao.
Well Marcus Camby if you count him as a true center, is doing better than Yao. And Mehmet Okur is doing just as good as Yao. So, right now I don't think Yao is even the 2nd best center. When players swarm him like that, his FG goes down, when T-mac was in the game, he had open opportunites more. Maybe he'll do better when t-mac plays the game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BigD_95:</div><div class="quote_post"> He cant rebound, cant block shots, cant play great Defense, cant dominate offensively in the paint, cant carry a team, cant get open for a pass...etc </div>So according to you, what is it that Yao can do? He can't rebound, but he's getting more rebounds per game than Nowitzki, Ilgauskas, Rasheed Wallace, and Kenyon Martin. He can't block shots, but he's getting more blocks than Rasheed, Garnett, Okafor, Dampier and Nowitzki. Note that Okafor, Dampier and Garnett all have reputations as good shot blockers, but Yao is "mediocre". He can't play good defense, but can "superstars" like Nowitzki, Chris Webber, Amare Stoudemire and Zach Randolph do it any better? "Can't dominate offensively in the paint." Is that the most ignorant thing I've heard or what? Anyone who's watched Yao in one game will know that he owns the paint, when he gets the ball. He gets great position in the paint anytime, and is money from anywhere within 10 feet, no matter how he shoots it. Can't carry a team. When you have Tracy McGrady on your team, can you really get the chance to carry your team? Yeah, with McGrady out, Yao has had his chance, but Kobe didn't carry the Lakers to the playoffs, Pierce didn't in his early years in Boston, Stoudemire couldn't, Marion couldn't, and even Garnett couldn't. Aren't those guys "superstars" though? "Can't get open for a pass". Good job man, you've just earned both the title of most and second most ignorant comments in one post. Yao gets in great position down low 8 out of 10 times, and most of the times he couldn't get the ball, it's mostly because the teammate didn't pass to him. How do you expect a 7-6 guy to beat a 6-10 defender down the court and get an open pass anyway? Shaq can't even get "open" for passes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting devin:</div><div class="quote_post">Well Marcus Camby if you count him as a true center, is doing better than Yao. And Mehmet Okur is doing just as good as Yao. So, right now I don't think Yao is even the 2nd best center. When players swarm him like that, his FG goes down, when T-mac was in the game, he had open opportunites more. Maybe he'll do better when t-mac plays the game.</div> You're right. With McGrady on the court, Yao shoots 59% from the field this season. It will make a big difference when he comes back. From a purely statistical standpoint, I think Camby and Frye rate higher than Yao on a per-minute basis so far this season. Okur is just behind Yao. I used Hollinger's quick and dirty game score rating on each player like this: rating = (40/minutes)(points +.4*fgm -.7*fga -.4*ft_missed +.7*off_reb +.3*def_reb +stl + .7*asts + .7*blks - .4*pf - to) <font face=""Courier New"">camby,marcus 20.32 frye,channing 16.65 ming,yao 15.91 okur,mehmet 15.87 lafrentz,raef 14.79 ilgauskas,zydrun 14.47 miller,brad 14.35 wallace,ben 14.08 mourning,alonzo 13.90 o'neal,shaquille 13.54 curry,eddy 12.55 bogut,andrew 12.52 krstic,nenad 11.78 pachulia,zaza 11.55 haywood,brendan 11.51 hunter,steven 10.57 blount,mark 10.41 brezec,primoz 9.88 ratliff,theo 9.76</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">So according to you, what is it that Yao can do? He can't rebound, but he's getting more rebounds per game than Nowitzki, Ilgauskas, Rasheed Wallace, and Kenyon Martin. He can't block shots, but he's getting more blocks than Rasheed, Garnett, Okafor, Dampier and Nowitzki. Note that Okafor, Dampier and Garnett all have reputations as good shot blockers, but Yao is "mediocre". He can't play good defense, but can "superstars" like Nowitzki, Chris Webber, Amare Stoudemire and Zach Randolph do it any better? "Can't dominate offensively in the paint." Is that the most ignorant thing I've heard or what? Anyone who's watched Yao in one game will know that he owns the paint, when he gets the ball. He gets great position in the paint anytime, and is money from anywhere within 10 feet, no matter how he shoots it. Can't carry a team. When you have Tracy McGrady on your team, can you really get the chance to carry your team? Yeah, with McGrady out, Yao has had his chance, but Kobe didn't carry the Lakers to the playoffs, Pierce didn't in his early years in Boston, Stoudemire couldn't, Marion couldn't, and even Garnett couldn't. Aren't those guys "superstars" though? "Can't get open for a pass". Good job man, you've just earned both the title of most and second most ignorant comments in one post. Yao gets in great position down low 8 out of 10 times, and most of the times he couldn't get the ball, it's mostly because the teammate didn't pass to him. How do you expect a 7-6 guy to beat a 6-10 defender down the court and get an open pass anyway? Shaq can't even get "open" for passes.</div> totallly agree with what you said. there are always some ppl who just state things so biasly according to their feel of a person-just coz those ppl dont like yao's style means yao is nothing but a filler on the court. soo ridiculous.
Yao is goona strike back this ignorant thread with superstart performance. Those of you who think Yao is incapable of rebounding, blocking, defending will keep your mouth zip in the following season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BigD_95:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont feel bad for him. He took the big payday. Along with that comes pressure. If he wants the fans off his back he can start by playing better. I admit Im a big T-mac fan and followed him when he came to Houston. I got the NBA pass on Directv and it was the first time I saw a lot of Yao play. I was very disappointed. I think Yao is way over hyped. He cant rebound, cant block shots, cant play great Defense, cant dominate offensively in the paint, cant carry a team, cant get open for a pass...etc the list goes on and on. Now because of his height and he does have skill he can be alright at those thing but he is not a super star at all. He needs other good players to make him look good. He cant play a physical mean game and just seems to get pushed around.</div> I really recommand you going to an oculist asap. You are just not able to see things correctly. it's good for you, and I hope that you will not comment on anything befor your eye problem get fixed. Please.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting devin:</div><div class="quote_post">Well Marcus Camby if you count him as a true center, is doing better than Yao. And Mehmet Okur is doing just as good as Yao. So, right now I don't think Yao is even the 2nd best center. When players swarm him like that, his FG goes down, when T-mac was in the game, he had open opportunites more. Maybe he'll do better when t-mac plays the game.</div> "camby is doing better than yao" this statement can only be said when you're looking at the numbers. but think, how many big men that can actaully be productive does denver have? there's one, and it's camby because k-mart had been out and nene is out. so camby is forced to play big minutes for denver. and look who's camby playing with, he's playing around with a healthy scorer and passer, melo and miller. melo is already a big enough thread for the opponents to worry about, therefore, freeing camby. when you look at yao, he's playing with other role players that don't play their role properly. for example, alston was suppose to be a PG but so far he hasn't shown that, avging 3.x assists or something? swift was supposed to help out yao on D and help yao to rebound, but he has been benched til last game. so it is so easy for opponents to beat rockets. they just swamp their defense all over yao and that's it, because other players can't shoot well. then how can yao have good FG %age and PPG when he's triple teamed? and defensively, the other players can't gaurd the outside and can't switch properly, causing yao to run to the open threes and giving up his rebounds. with these situations yao is playing in, how can he seem to be a better C than camby and okur? when tmac is back, it will be obvious that yao is one of the best C in the game.. ppl say...''yao needs tmac to make him look gd.'' .....so jokes...don't all superstar need others to make them look gd? i don't see how gd looking kobe is right now, he just has to hog the ball each game, yet, lakers still lose more than they win. don't see how good looking KG is, VC was, TMAC was when their teams only had them as the mainman. basketball is not a one man game; even MJ needed pippen, kerr, kukoc, and other great players. sorry about my english as i don't speak fluent english but i hope u get my points..
Shoot Locke, I thought the bigger you were the better you were! Isn't an 8 feet tall 400 pound guy supposed to bring the ball down the court, pull a crossover that would break MJ's ankles, spin and pop a fadeaway? Good look with that, the only thing you'll see falling from most oversized centers are their man boobs. At least Yao has a shot, which is more than I can say for the "best all-around" center in the league. How can you be the best all-around player if you can't make a effing free throw?
Yao is being blamed more now than ever not only because his team is losing but because he has a maximum contract now. So far he hasn't played up to his contract's expectation in my opinion, but we'll see as the season goes on. Right now, he's not much different from last year, statistically speaking.
this article IS OLD.... seriously... yao just got the pressure that he never had before... he always had a great player with him since his rookie year ( STeve Francis) and he has T-mac now too... now that t-macs injured.. he just signed a maximum contract which is big... and more pressure... fans thought the rockets are giong to be HUGE CONTENDERS... more pressure... yao is getting all the pressure this year and hes been trying hard since summer... and all u ppl do is blame him for where rockets are NOW???
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">So according to you, what is it that Yao can do? He can't rebound, but he's getting more rebounds per game than Nowitzki, Ilgauskas, Rasheed Wallace, and Kenyon Martin. He can't block shots, but he's getting more blocks than Rasheed, Garnett, Okafor, Dampier and Nowitzki. Note that Okafor, Dampier and Garnett all have reputations as good shot blockers, but Yao is "mediocre". He can't play good defense, but can "superstars" like Nowitzki, Chris Webber, Amare Stoudemire and Zach Randolph do it any better? "Can't dominate offensively in the paint." Is that the most ignorant thing I've heard or what? Anyone who's watched Yao in one game will know that he owns the paint, when he gets the ball. He gets great position in the paint anytime, and is money from anywhere within 10 feet, no matter how he shoots it. Can't carry a team. When you have Tracy McGrady on your team, can you really get the chance to carry your team? Yeah, with McGrady out, Yao has had his chance, but Kobe didn't carry the Lakers to the playoffs, Pierce didn't in his early years in Boston, Stoudemire couldn't, Marion couldn't, and even Garnett couldn't. Aren't those guys "superstars" though? "Can't get open for a pass". Good job man, you've just earned both the title of most and second most ignorant comments in one post. Yao gets in great position down low 8 out of 10 times, and most of the times he couldn't get the ball, it's mostly because the teammate didn't pass to him. How do you expect a 7-6 guy to beat a 6-10 defender down the court and get an open pass anyway? Shaq can't even get "open" for passes.</div> Wow you scared him out of here... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting steam03:</div><div class="quote_post">"camby is doing better than yao" this statement can only be said when you're looking at the numbers. but think, how many big men that can actaully be productive does denver have? there's one, and it's camby because k-mart had been out and nene is out. so camby is forced to play big minutes for denver. and look who's camby playing with, he's playing around with a healthy scorer and passer, melo and miller. melo is already a big enough thread for the opponents to worry about, therefore, freeing camby. when you look at yao, he's playing with other role players that don't play their role properly. for example, alston was suppose to be a PG but so far he hasn't shown that, avging 3.x assists or something? swift was supposed to help out yao on D and help yao to rebound, but he has been benched til last game. so it is so easy for opponents to beat rockets. they just swamp their defense all over yao and that's it, because other players can't shoot well. then how can yao have good FG %age and PPG when he's triple teamed? and defensively, the other players can't gaurd the outside and can't switch properly, causing yao to run to the open threes and giving up his rebounds. with these situations yao is playing in, how can he seem to be a better C than camby and okur? when tmac is back, it will be obvious that yao is one of the best C in the game.. ppl say...''yao needs tmac to make him look gd.'' .....so jokes...don't all superstar need others to make them look gd? i don't see how gd looking kobe is right now, he just has to hog the ball each game, yet, lakers still lose more than they win. don't see how good looking KG is, VC was, TMAC was when their teams only had them as the mainman. basketball is not a one man game; even MJ needed pippen, kerr, kukoc, and other great players. sorry about my english as i don't speak fluent english but i hope u get my points..</div> Soooo true, people are being so biased in Yaos case. What can he do when he is being triple teamed bacause his team is shooting 38%. Quit hating on him... You know what I can't wait for, rubbing in the faces of all the Rockets doubters in Yao and Houston this season once T-Mac returns, especially the ones that are boasting over the Rockets misfortune. Taking cheap shots while the star player is out. That is just aggrivating. Seattle: 0-8 wins w/o Ray Allen Phoenix: 0-6 w/o Nash
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Yao is way over hyped. When I say: *** He cant rebound, cant block shots, cant play great Defense, cant dominate offensively in the paint, cant carry a team, cant get open for a pass...etc*** Im talking at a Super star level. Obviously he gets some rebounds the guy is 7' 6', or block shots and so on. The problem is he isnt dominate at any of those areas. Stats arent everything. Just watch the guy play and stop drinking the Kool Aid. I never see him control the glass like Barkley, Malone, Rodmen ...ect. Yea he grabs some rebounds that come to him but I never see him control the glass. I cant explain it but how can you say he looks like a good rebound? Yao gets out rebounded all the time in games. Gets push around all the time. Sorry but he looks like a wimp out there. As far as shot blocking goes there isnt anyone scared to take it to the hole on him. When Mutombo comes in the game its like a whole different story. If you cant put the kool aid down for a second it just admit his defense looks awful. If Yao could dominate in the paint he would average 26+ pts easy. Just face it. He has some good games but over the course of the season he is just a good player. I don't want to take away from what Yao is which is a good 3rd player on a team. Its not a put down. Im just saying the guy is WAY OVER HYPED. Yao is a decent player but he is no Super Star. Not even close. He also isnt anyone you build a team around. Yao is just a piece to build around someone else. Nothing wrong with that. Wait just a bloody second!!!!! ** He can't rebound, but he's getting more rebounds per game than Nowitzki, Ilgauskas, Rasheed Wallace, and Kenyon Martin.*** Since when are theses good rebounding players??? That list is a joke. Compare him to Tim Duncan 11.9 RPG, Wallace 12.4 RPG, KG 10.5 RPG...etc. I just checked the stats. Yao come up as 24 on Rebs. That's a joke! Like I said he cant FREAKING REBOUND! Anyone who can control the glass should average 10 Rebs a game!! Shots Blocked Yao is 24 Nuff Said! Scoring Yao is a amazing 33! Super Star Yao 33 in scoring, 24 in Rebs, 24 shots blocked Sign him up for the Hall of Fame. If those are good numbers what the heck have I been watch the last 20 years? **** Averaging 25/12 is a high expectation of Yao Ming*** How about 20 / 10 is that to hard?
No one said Yao is a great rebounder or shotblocker. He's very average in those categories. And 20/10 isn't beyond his reach by any means, if he can play 35+ minutes a night. Yao is a very effective per-minute player. Top ten in the league, in my view. But that does overrate him, because his effectiveness drops considerably the longer he is on the court. Why can't we just be satisfied with Yao being a VERY good player? I don't know if he'll ever be a consistently dominating player. But he's still a valuable asset (both basketball-wise and even more so economically). Plus, he rarely misses games which is extremely rare for a man of his size. Yao started slow last year as well, and became very solid down the stretch. And he was awesome in the playoffs against Dallas, despite the foul trouble. Giving up early on him this season would be a big mistake. I have one question. Who, exactly, is overhyping Yao's basketball abilities? Is there a guy in the league who is more critiqued than Yao? Yao is famous for reasons beyond what he does in basketball. But his basketball skills are not overhyped at all. In fact, I think nowadays they are underappreciated by most.
