Sorry to make a new thread but I can't find the old one from the summer. Here is a trade proposed by Locke from the Rockets board. GSW Sends: Murphy Fisher HOU Sends: Swift Alston Wesley I thought this trade was very even. I like pretty much all of it except I think Alston wont work well here. I would have definitely pulled the trigger on this before the season but now that Fish and Murphy are having excellent seasons I'm not so sure. Swift would get a ton of easy dunks from Baron and would give us the athletic defensive PF that we've been bitching about for years, a frontline of Swift and Foyle would be inpenetrable. Wesley is pretty much the same player as Fisher; undersized SG who can play a little point, Wesley hasnt been on fire like Fisher has and he isnt as clutch but he also has an expiring contract. I really don't think Alston will work in Golden State though, Baron is starting to play 40+ minutes again and Alston won't work well at the 2 like Fish does. Not ot mention Alston's history of lockeroom problems and his contract is almost identical to Fishers. The trade does work if you replace Alston with Moochie Norris though, who is another expiring contract which is more valuble to us than Alston would be. I wanted to hear your guys' thoughts on this one because I'm pretty torn. The team has such great chemistry right now I wouldnt want to screw it up, then again if the trade makes our team better than we should pull the trigger. I guess we would be risking our chemistry to see if these new peices work but the trade could provide us with some expiring contracts that are so valuble after we just gave Dun that fat contract. New lineup for GSW: Baron/Alston/Wesley/Miles J-Rich/Pietrus/Wesley/ Ellis Dunleavy/Pietrus/Cheany Swift/ Diogu/Cabarkapa Foyle/Biedrins/Taft
<font color="navy">Oh jeez... no way in heck the Warriors do that trade. Stromile Swift hasn't proven that he's anything more than a leaper... and Rafer Alston couldn't even make the team when we were bad. The only team this benefits is the Rockets... last thing we want to do is make them better and us worse. I don't know why people are so in love with Stromile. He can't even beat out Juwan Howard for the starting spot. There was a reason Memphis just let him walk. All this trade does is destroy our chemistry and brings Houston out of their slump. Hopefully you responded to this guy with an emphatic NO!!!</font>
I just don't think there is any upside for the W's to do this trade. Murphy is playing out of his mind and progressing. Fisher has just been money from the three-point line...why jeopardize the chemistry?
Right now many of our players are on the rize,yet not fully appreciated,the big exception being Pietrus,who a lot of teams want. There the problem is that there is the idea we can't pay to keep him and won't start him...neither will prove correct but that's a perception and some think we will deal him for the usual suspects. As noted above,Swift is a leaper but a guy with weak fundamentals and inconsistant motivation. Wesley's talents are fading,but his contract is short. Moocie would see minutes here if nobody else could walk. KG has a giant contract and to land him we'd be giving a lot of talent,our picks for awhile-and we'd be in deep cap hell. There is a slim chance it happens on terms that don't gut the W's to where we are in the fix Minny is in. I've been looking at possible deals to acquire Dwight Howard+Grant Hill + Pat Garritty. Hill has a player option next year. He has a huge contract and is sure to miss a lot of games. He could play,and play well SOME of the time. Garritty is a perimeter specialist,he had a decent overall game at one point but as an off the bench guy mainly has been a 3 guy. Hill + Garritty are mainly needed to offset Howard's moderate size rookie deal. I'd consider a 3rd team,moving Garritty,if it didn't overcomplicate things. Murphy,Taft,Fish,Dunleavy,Monta and a couple of 1st's,a second or 2 go. We get Howard,Hill,Garritty,and a second or 2. Contract details,BYC,Poison Pill etc. may make this not possible until summer. I have no exact salary numbers so some details are in need of adjusting too. Howard is a lot younger than KG. May never be as good-but will be able to play C. Hill becomes a big expiring which helps when we re-up Howard,Pietrus,Biedrens. I like Okafor a lot. The Bobcats however lack a big Grant Hill contract which makes it hard to get a salary match without us giving Pietrus-Biedrens-Diogu,which I don't want to do. I also like Tyson Chandler,but the Bulls made their choice between him and Curry and now I feel the cost of getting Chandler would be too steep. There just are not many Center types who are worth dealing for-and possibly available. I still like some guys I liked going into the draft...Danny Granger,Aundray Blatche,Orien Greene. None of these have yet found a major role though each has shown something. Mostly,Mully is looking to build a solid,stable,foundation,and so we won't see a lot of deals,unless there is something that looks good now and works long term too. Mully appears to not be much worried about future Lux Tax issues. The optimistic deal Dun got sends that message.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Mullin's not That dumb.</div> He did sign Dunleavy to 44 mil... so I wouldn't rule it out yet.
I don't like it at all. Certainly, we get to shave about 5 mils by doing that trade (if this deal is possible at all). But, while Murphy is capable of creating his own offense and be 3rd option, Swift really doesn't have any offense to speak of. So, that really put more burden on Davis and Richardson on offense end, because none of Swift, Dunleavy and Foyle aren't much of creator. And, surprisingly Swift isn't that much of blocker either considering how he can jump out of the gym. What Swift has is potential, but he is becoming more toward Kwame type of player, and I just don't know he will ever scratch his potential. Immidiately, we are trading double double starter to back up PF, who doesn't show any promise that he will be a starting material for last few years. I also don't like Fisher for Alston either. Fisher does get about 1.5 mils per year more than Alston with same length of contract. But, I would gladly pay extra 1.5 mils to get Fisher instead of Alston. Both are similar SG in PG body, and Fisher just is a better player than Alston. Wesley is a bodybag who cleans up 5 mils after this year. Not only this trade will be an immidiate downgrade, both Murphy, Fisher, Swift and Alston has similar contract length, so there really isn't much of cap relief. By making this trade, we have to address our starting PF position and gamble on back up guard position to Alston, which we heavily rely on to Fisher. I would be the first one who will admit that we need to shed some contract. However, I will pay extra 5 mils to keep Murphy and Fisher, instead of making the deal...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post"> I've been looking at possible deals to acquire Dwight Howard+Grant Hill + Pat Garritty. Hill has a player option next year. He has a huge contract and is sure to miss a lot of games. He could play,and play well SOME of the time. Garritty is a perimeter specialist,he had a decent overall game at one point but as an off the bench guy mainly has been a 3 guy. Hill + Garritty are mainly needed to offset Howard's moderate size rookie deal. I'd consider a 3rd team,moving Garritty,if it didn't overcomplicate things. Murphy,Taft,Fish,Dunleavy,Monta and a couple of 1st's,a second or 2 go. We get Howard,Hill,Garritty,and a second or 2. Contract details,BYC,Poison Pill etc. may make this not possible until summer. I have no exact salary numbers so some details are in need of adjusting too. Howard is a lot younger than KG. May never be as good-but will be able to play C. Hill becomes a big expiring which helps when we re-up Howard,Pietrus,Biedrens. </div> Wow REREM you think Twardzick would be stupid enough to give up Dwight Howard? I like it!!!! Still it's hard to believe Twardzick could ever do that. The Howard kid has proven right out of high school he can get plenty of double doubles and blocked shots. He's also not done growing as he's now 6'11 or 7'0 which supports the idea of him playing some center. It just seems a tad optimistic we could get such a player unless Dwight Howard specifically forced a trade to us (and hoping Baron Davis could ignite his career on the level of Amare Stoudamire). Plus, it's not like Dwight Howard is a headcase. He's got a good head on his shoulders so I'm sure Orlando has him in their plans. Anyway, I agree with REREM and Warriors Redux. Not a fan of stro and his raw game, but I think the reason why he's so popular is he's exciting from a fan's perspective with his putback dunks and alley oops. But we can't win games like that. We need more teamwork and all around play. We already have some pretty athletic bigs with Taft and Biedrins and they are much, much bigger. Also, our alley oop weapons happen to be guys that can also shoot and drive (Jrich and Pietrus). I don't like Rafer Alston's game that much, except for his dribbling skills and his defense. He'd probably whine about being a backup again and probably wouldn't buy into the system the coaches want. He had signed a big deal with Toronto and he already wore out his welcome pretty quickly. We don't need that. David Wesley sucks even worse as a point guard compared to Derek Fisher or Alston and he's not nearly as good on defense against bigger players IMO. It's hard to give up Fisher because he's playing so well now as a backup guard. I'd say the player I would actually deal Fisher for is Bobby Jackson. He's very clutch, he's athletic and he's much quicker in the open court. But the problem is he's never been healthy. Also the contracts don't match. Fisher's deal is kinda big so it's hard to find a good career backup guard for him since he's paid like a starting guy. Most trades involving Fisher would have to include two or more players back in return in order for the trade to be legal. If Denver wants to shed their rookies this works: Earl Boykins, Julius Hodge, Linus Kleiza. That's giving up a lot of young guys who could be potentially very good players and it doesn't solve their logjam at the backup point guard position. It's very hard to trade Fisher unless we're going for a starting type person or the other team needs some veteran experience badly. We kind of need that veteran experience considering we have two or three guys that have playoff experience. Those vets might help our young guys stay focussed while also contuining to contribute and help the young players and the coaches.
Do not break up a good thing right now. Murphy is young and developing. Every time we ask him to improve, he does it. Rebounding, improved 3 pt shooting, improved post play.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Do not break up a good thing right now. Murphy is young and developing. Every time we ask him to improve, he does it. Rebounding, improved 3 pt shooting, improved post play.</div> Let's not forget he's stopped spiking his hair. I think that has improved his dunking...you know, less weight (no gel).
As a rockets fan I must say that I agree with everyone on this board....it would be stupid for GS to pull off this trade........I would love to see it happen though....lol.
