Bidding for Garnett Begins

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  1. Shapecity

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The second blockbuster trade in two years is expected to go down, probably sometime in February before the trading deadline.

    Former MVP and perennial All-Star forward Kevin Garnett may be on his way out of Minnesota less than two years after the Los Angeles Lakers traded Shaquille O'Neal to the Miami Heat. The combination of Garnett's enormous contract and frustration over losing may provoke the Timberwolves to trade their centerpiece and start from scratch.

    "That's all on management," Garnett told the St. Paul (Minn.) Pioneer Press. "It has nothing to do with me. But right now, I'm just focusing on making this team better."

    But the team that trades for Garnett -- who will make $18 million this season, $84 million through the 2008-09 season -- had better be careful. The lure of getting one of the NBA's greatest ever might lead to a team draining its roster to get him.

    The reason trading for O'Neal was able to work for Miami was the Heat didn't have to give up Dwyane Wade. The Warriors didn't have to give up Jason Richardson to get point guard Baron Davis.

    Any team that trades for Garnett needs to find a way to keep a couple stars, otherwise it will end up in the same position the Timberwolves are in now. Garnett, considered to be too selfish at times, has proved he can't win alone. Nor does he want to try to.

    "As long as the organization is trying to better the team and better the future for this team and the city, I'm here," Garnett told the Pioneer Press. "I just want to win. I just want to be on a team that's going to compete for a championship, not just talk about it but actually start to make moves toward that direction."

    Should Garnett be traded, whichever team lands him will need to spend money on the supporting cast, which means it would be well over the salary cap. So "Da Kid" is more likely to land with a team unafraid to flirt with or pay the luxury tax. Here are some hypothetical trades that would land Garnett without decimating a team's talent (at least a first-round draft pick to Minnesota is a given in any scenario):

    Los Angeles Lakers: Sending Garnett to Hollywood for forwards Lamar Odom and Devean George and rookie center Andrew Bynum would benefit both teams, especially if Odom gets going at some point. The Lakers would get a superstar to pair with Kobe Bryant, one unselfish enough to not be bothered by Bryant's presence. Minnesota would get talent in Odom, a $5 million expiring contract in George and a promising project in Bynum.

    Boston Celtics: Garnett could join the Celtics' great history of big men if Boston executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge could get his Minnesota counterpart, Kevin McHale, to take forwards Raef LaFrentz and Al Jefferson, and guards Ricky Davis and Tony Allen. The Timberwolves would get some young talent in Jefferson and Allen, if he's still with Boston after his off-court issues are settled. They'd also get immediate perimeter help in Davis and a serviceable big man in LaFrentz.

    New York Knicks: Garnett and Stephon Marbury can be reunited in probably the simplest of deals. New York can send guard Anfernee Hardaway and forward/center Antonio Davis to Minnesota for K.G. and forward Wally Szczerbiak. The Timberwolves would be getting $29.6 million worth of expiring contracts, plenty money to be a major player in the free agent market. The Knicks have the deep pockets to afford such an acquisition, plus they'd still have plenty of talent with which to make moves.

    Dallas Mavericks : The Timberwolves might be enticed by a package of forward Keith Van Horn, forward Josh Howard and swingman Jerry Stackhouse for Garnett and guard Troy Hudson. Minnesota would get a $15.7 million expiring contract with Van Horn, one of the better young small forwards in the league in Howard, and a quality veteran in Stackhouse whose contract is up after next season. Dallas would have a front line of Garnett, Nowitzki and Erick Dampier.

    Sacramento Kings: The Kings could give up three starters in center Brad Miller, forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim and guard Bonzi Wells and still have point guard Mike Bibby and small forward Peja Stojakovic to play with Garnett. Minnesota would get one of the league's most productive centers in Miller, a capable posting forward in Abdur-Rahim and an $8 million expiring contract in Wells. With small forward Francisco Garcia in tow, Sacramento perhaps can afford to give up Stojakovic instead of Wells if the Timberwolves insist.</div>

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  2. Bobcats

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    Kevin Garnett for Kendrick Perkins, Al Jefferson, Orien Greene and Ricky Davis. Boston gets Garnett to pair up with Pierce, and Minnesota adds some young talent to build a solid nucleus.

    PG - Orien Greene
    SG - Rashad McCants
    SF - Ricky Davis
    PF - Al Jefferson
    C - Kendrick Perkins
     
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    T-Mac

    For

    KG

    I love T-Mac, but I love the idea of KG and Yao side by side a lor more. If not then

    Swift, Juwan, and Rafer

    For KG
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting igotask8board:</div><div class="quote_post"> If not then

    Swift, Juwan, and Rafer

    For KG</div>


    i think that's more of a dream than a proposal
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting babybulls:</div><div class="quote_post">i think that's more of a dream than a proposal</div>


    And we would have to throw in a first round draft pick...

    It's way better than that Phily trade. Dalembert and Korver?

    Dale/Korver < Swift, Howard, Alston

    We might take Howard out and throw in Luther Head.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Kevin Garnett for Kendrick Perkins, Al Jefferson, Orien Greene and Ricky Davis. Boston gets Garnett to pair up with Pierce, and Minnesota adds some young talent to build a solid nucleus.

    PG - Orien Greene
    SG - Rashad McCants
    SF - Ricky Davis
    PF - Al Jefferson
    C - Kendrick Perkins</div>


    I'd replace Greene with Hudson as the starting PG IMO.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Kevin Garnett for Kendrick Perkins, Al Jefferson, Orien Greene and Ricky Davis. Boston gets Garnett to pair up with Pierce, and Minnesota adds some young talent to build a solid nucleus.

    PG - Orien Greene
    SG - Rashad McCants
    SF - Ricky Davis
    PF - Al Jefferson
    C - Kendrick Perkins</div>


    where is eddie griffin in this?
    why not ricky at SG and griffin at SF since mccants is undersized at SG
     
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    for kg

    the rockets should give:

    rafer alston
    juan howard or/and swift
    first round pick
    moochie
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting tr@cy&ya0:</div><div class="quote_post">for kg

    the rockets should give:

    rafer alston
    juan howard or/and swift
    first round pick
    moochie</div>

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Shapecity

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    KG will not be traded to any team in the West. No team is going to give up the players the TWolves would demand in return, and Minny is not about to trade a superstar within their conference.

    I still think the Knick deal makes the most sense for the TWolves, because they get to completely rebuild and unload Wally in the process.
     
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    You know, I bet the Wolves would like Jamaal Magloire at center more than they would Kandi man...

    Hey McHale, how about this?

    Jamaal Magloire / Mo Williams/ Joe Smith

    for

    Kevin Garnett / Troy Hudson / Trenton Hassel

    ??? [​IMG]

    EDIT: on second thought, you guys might not want Joe Smith...lol
     
  12. urbannomad23

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    hey McHale, how bout this!

    Toronto Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Jalen Rose
    6-8 SG from Michigan
    18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes
    Alvin Williams
    6-5 from Villanova
    No games yet played in 2004/05
    Morris Peterson
    6-7 SG from Michigan State
    12.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 30.6 minutes
    Eric Williams
    6-8 SF from Providence
    12.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.2 minutes
    Matt Bonner
    6-10 PF from Florida
    7.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.9 minutes
    Loren Woods
    7-2 C from Arizona
    3.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 15.8 minutes
    Incoming
    Nikoloz Tskitishvili
    7-0 PF from Georgia (Foreign)
    1.5 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.9 minutes
    Michael Olowokandi
    7-0 C from Pacific
    5.9 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.6 minutes
    Wally Szczerbiak
    6-7 SF from Miami-OH
    15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes
    Kevin Garnett
    6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
    22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
    Richie Frahm
    6-5 SG from Gonzaga
    3.8 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 11.6 minutes
    Change in team outlook: -5.9 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and +1.8 apg.


    Minnesota Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Nikoloz Tskitishvili
    7-0 PF from Georgia (Foreign)
    1.5 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.9 minutes
    Michael Olowokandi
    7-0 C from Pacific
    5.9 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.6 minutes
    Wally Szczerbiak
    6-7 SF from Miami-OH
    15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes
    Kevin Garnett
    6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
    22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
    Richie Frahm
    6-5 SG from Gonzaga
    3.8 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 11.6 minutes
    Incoming
    Jalen Rose
    6-8 SG from Michigan
    18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes
    Alvin Williams
    6-5 from Villanova
    No games yet played in 2004/05
    Morris Peterson
    6-7 SG from Michigan State
    12.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 30.6 minutes
    Eric Williams
    6-8 SF from Providence
    12.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.2 minutes
    Matt Bonner
    6-10 PF from Florida
    7.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.9 minutes
    Loren Woods
    7-2 C from Arizona
    3.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 15.8 minutes
    Change in team outlook: +5.9 ppg, -4.6 rpg, and -1.8 apg.


    We also give you picks, it relieves your money woes, while we throw in a 1 and 2nd rounder for the future. plus kandi is done with us, after the year, i'd much rather keep hoffa...im a raps fan, he shows some kind of promise. jalen comes off the books next year where as KG would come off in three years.... we also get outside help in wally, and also you guys get some forward and guard presence and a lot of money will be saved for you guys. KG and Bosh, Teacher and mentor...make it happen mchale. make it happen, if not now....at the trade deadline then.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting babybulls:</div><div class="quote_post">i think that's more of a dream than a proposal</div>

    Exactly, there is no way that KG would get traded to Houston. It's hilarious to me that someone thinks the Wolves would be dumb enough to pair KG up with Tmac and Yao.
     
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    I was kind of surprised to see the Bulls not mentioned given all the cap space they'll have. Then again, I don't think the Bulls really have any stars, they only have potential. It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds.
     
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    Sonics and Wolves

    Rashard Lewis/Nick Collison/Pick for KG

    YAY!

    Dreaming again haha.
     
  16. bbwSwish

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    Francis, Hill and a pick for KG and Wally?

    Orlando Magic Roster
    PG- Jameer Nelson/Keyon Dooling
    SG- Deshawn Stevenson/Keyon Dooling
    SF- Wally Scerbviak/Hedo Turkoglu
    PF- Kevin Garnett/Tony Battie
    C- Dwight Howard/Kelvin Cato

    [​IMG]
     
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    if that were to happen, with KG and Howard, that would just be crazy...Howard is the second coming of KG...2 guys who can avg 20/10..
     
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    Jermaine O'neil, (Fred Jones type contract filler) for Kevin Garnett?

    Minnesota
    C: Jermaine O'neil
    PF: Eddie Griffin
    SF: Wally Sczerbiak
    SG: Marko Jaric
    PG: Troy Hudson

    Indiana
    C: Jeff Foster/David Harrison
    PF: Kevin Garnett
    SF: Ron Artest (might be traded... for Quentin Richardson possibly?)
    SG: Stephen Jackson
    PG: Jamal Tinsley

    Would any Pacers or Wolves fans comment on this?

    I wonder how Jermaine O'neil would respond to this.
     
  19. bbwSwish

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Jermaine O'neil, (Fred Jones type contract filler) for Kevin Garnett?

    Minnesota
    C: Jermaine O'neil
    PF: Eddie Griffin
    SF: Wally Sczerbiak
    SG: Marko Jaric
    PG: Troy Hudson

    Indiana
    C: Jeff Foster/David Harrison
    PF: Kevin Garnett
    SF: Ron Artest (might be traded... for Quentin Richardson possibly?)
    SG: Stephen Jackson
    PG: Jamal Tinsley

    Would any Pacers or Wolves fans comment on this?

    I wonder how Jermaine O'neil would respond to this.</div>

    I can't see this going through unless Ron Artest was somehow involved.
     
  20. houston_owns_u

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    Well, for right now, I don't see KG and Wally Szczerbiak packing up yet. The Wolves are 12-9 but they would have been 15-6 if they won their last 3 games, which were lost by a total of 5 points. They are 3rd in the Conference, 1st of their division, even though they will probably be taken over by the Nuggets sooner or later. And Szczbiak has been beastly, having a 49.4% field goal percentage, with a 40.1% three point range and about 18 ppg. Garnett has been on the decline though, and as a PF, has been outplayed by Duncan (maybe not really, he owned Duncan last night), Nowitzki, and even Elton Brand now. Well one thing for sure is that Garnett isn't the player he once was.
     

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