Why Trading Diaw for Dunleavy Doesn't Make Sense..

I've read this proposed trade scenario (more like Warriors fans plea bargaining) in a few posts now, and I must say it's a bit shortsighted..

I think people are being too quick to jump on the Diaw bandwagon.. And wanting to get him for Dunleavy just seems as though you're trading 2 near identical players for one another..

You might argue that Diaw's making a lot less so that's why you'd do the trade in a heartbeat.. But by the way Diaw's playing, when contract time comes up, you can be rest assured that he'll command at least what Dunleavy's making now..

Next point.. And I think this is the main thing that people are missing out on.. The Suns' system is much more conducive to the skill-sets that both Dunleavy and Diaw bring to the table.. I've been pretty impressed with Dunleavy in these last few games.. He seemz to be more aggresive than he's ever been in the NBA.. Can you honestly say that you don't think Dunleavy would be a very good and probably improved player if he played for the Suns? What Phoenix seems to do so well is hide the faults of their players and showcase their talents instead.. Haven't you just been enamoured by what Diaw's done?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting swyftdahoe:</div><div class="quote_post">I've read this proposed trade scenario (more like Warriors fans plea bargaining) in a few posts now, and I must say it's a bit shortsighted..

I think people are being too quick to jump on the Diaw bandwagon.. And wanting to get him for Dunleavy just seems as though you're trading 2 near identical players for one another..

You might argue that Diaw's making a lot less so that's why you'd do the trade in a heartbeat.. But by the way Diaw's playing, when contract time comes up, you can be rest assured that he'll command at least what Dunleavy's making now..

Next point.. And I think this is the main thing that people are missing out on.. The Suns' system is much more conducive to the skill-sets that both Dunleavy and Diaw bring to the table.. I've been pretty impressed with Dunleavy in these last few games.. He seemz to be more aggresive than he's ever been in the NBA.. Can you honestly say that you don't think Dunleavy would be a very good and probably improved player if he played for the Suns? What Phoenix seems to do so well is hide the faults of their players and showcase their talents instead.. Haven't you just been enamoured by what Diaw's done?</div>

Who said they wanted to get Diaw for Dunleavy? You must be mistaken because it wasn't here and if it was could we get a quote or a link to it? I think some were saying that Dunleavy should be playing like Diaw has been playing with the number of assists he's been racking up.

 

He's referring to a comment made in the Suns forum, obviously as a joke by a Warrior fan.
http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47026
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys want to trade Boris Diaw for Mike Dunleavy? Warriors just signed him for a MEASLEY 44 million! He was 3rd pick overall too! Can't go wrong with that. Pleaseeeee?</div>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">He's referring to a comment made in the Suns forum, obviously as a joke by a Warrior fan.
http://www.justbball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47026</div>
Gotcha. Thx for the clarification.

BTW Diaw is a kind of Mike Dunleavy player if you think about it. Both know the game very well and react accordingly to what's out there on the floor like floor spacing, help defense, the extra pass, etc. Fundamentals. Diaw is way more athletic, but both are pretty "lack of killer instinct" type players.

 

If Dunleavy can play as assertive as he did last night, then we surely want to hang on to him.

 

I love Diaw cause he's consistent and is a very flexible player. He's consistently a triple double threat and is athletic. Although him and Dun have similar qualities, Dun just isn't consistent enough for my taste. And Diaw doesn't throw up as many 3's as Dunleavy. Diaw also did a great job on Yao Ming, this guy is just versatile.

Cohan Hater, we've seen this from Dunleavy from time to time. But thats it, time to time. I bet he'll go back to his usual self then in a few games later then be aggressive again then stop then etc.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">I love Diaw cause he's consistent and is a very flexible player. He's consistently a triple double threat and is athletic. Although him and Dun have similar qualities, Dun just isn't consistent enough for my taste. And Diaw doesn't throw up as many 3's as Dunleavy. Diaw also did a great job on Yao Ming, this guy is just versatile.

Cohan Hater, we've seen this from Dunleavy from time to time. But thats it, time to time. I bet he'll go back to his usual self then in a few games later then be aggressive again then stop then etc.</div>

Man, as much as I am a Dunleavy fan, you are a big time Dunleavy hater. Realistically, you've got to be a little more hopeful for the kid since he's virtually untradeable. Give him a chance!!!

 

He's just running my patience out. His fat bulky contract is just making me more impatient since he isn't performing at the level he's supposed to. He's a vet now who has started for like 2 seasons, I hope he breaks out this season cause if he stays like this for the 6 years he has left. I'll go nuts. I want him to at least average as many points at Murphy, that'd be a nice change.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">He's just running my patience out. His fat bulky contract is just making me more impatient since he isn't performing at the level he's supposed to. He's a vet now who has started for like 2 seasons, I hope he breaks out this season cause if he stays like this for the 6 years he has left. I'll go nuts. I want him to at least average as many points at Murphy, that'd be a nice change.</div>

Yes, I understand, but still. We have no choice but to be patient. Besides, it's not OUR money.

 

Bleh, don't use the it's not our money excuse You have the patience of a rock lol. Anyway, lets hope Dunleavy puts Prince to work on Friday...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kensaku:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, I understand, but still. We have no choice but to be patient. Besides, it's not OUR money. </div>

It may not, but when we will see Warriors not making moves or dumping quality players because of Dunleavy's overpriced contract, we will feel like it's our money.

Just in case... Dunleavy for Diaw trade is impossible for any stretch of imagination because of CBA. As a matter of fact, Dunleavy trade is basically impossible for next 3 years...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">As a matter of fact, Dunleavy trade is basically impossible for next 3 years...</div>

Jeez, you sure know how to break a fans heart softly don't you?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Bleh, don't use the it's not our money excuse You have the patience of a rock lol. Anyway, lets hope Dunleavy puts Prince to work on Friday...</div>

Actually, I'm one of the most impatient people I know, but when it comes to Dunleavy, I've got the Jim Barnett syndrome...

This Friday, I expect Dunleavy to completely shut down Prince and then score 30 points by way of 15 3 pointers.

 

Dunleavy will blossom, just hope that its in a Warriors uni.

Pippen did not blossom for at least 3 years. Remember that. All-around guys are more dependent upon the other players than one-dimensional dominant guys, like LeBron, MJ, AI, etc.

Let's look at Nash, that guy was not an all-star until his 6th year, at least. Give it time.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy will blossom, just hope that its in a Warriors uni.

Pippen did not blossom for at least 3 years. Remember that. All-around guys are more dependent upon the other players than one-dimensional dominant guys, like LeBron, MJ, AI, etc.

Let's look at Nash, that guy was not an all-star until his 6th year, at least. Give it time.</div>

Thank you.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy will blossom, just hope that its in a Warriors uni.

Pippen did not blossom for at least 3 years. Remember that. All-around guys are more dependent upon the other players than one-dimensional dominant guys, like LeBron, MJ, AI, etc.

Let's look at Nash, that guy was not an all-star until his 6th year, at least. Give it time.</div>

good points...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy will blossom, just hope that its in a Warriors uni.

Pippen did not blossom for at least 3 years. Remember that. All-around guys are more dependent upon the other players than one-dimensional dominant guys, like LeBron, MJ, AI, etc.

Let's look at Nash, that guy was not an all-star until his 6th year, at least. Give it time.</div>

Don't forget Pippen and Nash weren't slow as molasses or wussy when it came to their respective positions in the NBA.

Also Lebron isn't all around? How can you say that? The guy does practically everything well, but his main job is to score because nobody else can do it as well as he can. Michael Jordan you could say was less all around as he wasn't the best distance shooter, but he was close enough and definitely when it counted. MJ could score the ball, dribble, pass, and finish in ways nobody else could. Then Iverson is one of the best scoring guards in the nba that can deliver tons of assists. Actually all these guys like Lebron, Jordan, Iverson could serve up assists, steal the ball, make other players better. They were "all around" if you think about all the things they can do. Yes, MJ, Lebron, A.I. are dominant scorers, but they are in no ways "one dimensional". But, I think I understand what you're implying. Dunleavy is unselfish where he can be a role player and do what needs being done and then in other times step up like a star player.

I just don't see Dunleavy as a worldbeater in the assists column, I don't see him as a dominant rebounder, I don't see him as a great defensive guy, or a guy with monstrous shot touches like Mullin or Larry Bird. Pippen was an all-star player and all the tools to be competitive in his position. Nash you could see visibly that he was one of the guys that made the Dallas Mavericks go in that run n' gun offense. He was aggressive and quick.

I just think hopes are too high for Dunleavy. It's like wishing for Foyle to be like Ben Wallace.

 

I just meant "fill-in" type player rather than the dominant player. One-dimensional might have been the wrong label. No, I do not think either of the players I listed were one-dimensional.

 

Yeah I was about to say... LeBron one dimensional? lol.

Sorry to break it to you guys but Dunleavy won't blossom to a 44 mil type guy. Will he get better? Probably, marginal improvements. Will he blossom? I believe thats false hope. Diaw most definately blossomed, in just a few weeks too.

All the people you listed were all-stars. You really think Dunleavy will become an all-star someday? He's just a role player in my eyes.

How much more time are the people who love Dunleavy going to give him? You say give him time and be patient, I'd like an estimate of how long you guys intend to wait.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah I was about to say... LeBron one dimensional? lol.

Sorry to break it to you guys but Dunleavy won't blossom to a 44 mil type guy. Will he get better? Probably, marginal improvements. Will he blossom? I believe thats false hope. Diaw most definately blossomed, in just a few weeks too.

All the people you listed were all-stars. You really think Dunleavy will become an all-star someday? He's just a role player in my eyes.

How much more time are the people who love Dunleavy going to give him? You say give him time and be patient, I'd like an estimate of how long you guys intend to wait.</div>

I think if the W's are successful in the playoffs and Mike Dunleavy makes a significant impact in the Win-Loss column (in the playoffs), then I would say he could be an All-Star in 2 years.

I'm not really waiting. If it happens while he's a Warrior, good stuff, better late than never. If not, I'll eat my own words and STFU, but he's still young.