<div class="quote_poster">Quoting igotask8board:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL. Odom for Shaq.</div> It wasn't straight up though. However, they also have to realize that not all GM's are as dumb as Mitch.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I actually like the Artest for Odom trade. The Pacers will get rid of Artest and his crazy attitude, and get in return somebody who just wants to win in Odom. While not as effective, Odom can make the Pacers a more uptempo team. The Lakers will get Artest, who will take loads of pressure off Kobe. Together they would easily be the best duo in the league. Just imagine Kobe and Artest on the same team. If anybody can deal with Artest, Phil Jackson is the man.</div> If that was the truth, then I'd rather have Odom. Unfortunately it's a far cry from the truth. He doesn't care about winning, he's a lazy player, leading to his inconsistency. He hasn't improved on a single aspect of his game since Rhode Island. He still can't shoot from the outside, he still can't play defense, and he still doesn't know how to move without the ball. These were all concerns when he entered the draft, he knew they were his weaknesses and despite being in the league for 6 years now, he still hasn't improved on any of them.
Anybody that says Artest is not about winning is the real one that is crazt not Ron, you cant name 5 players that give more on both ends of the court then this dude...yes he obviously comes with some baggage but on-court...honestly their would be very few I would rather go to battle with then Artest. Anyway, on-court I think he would be a good mix for the Clippers in a straight up deal for Maggette...but LA would probably be scared to make that type of move because they already have guys who the league consideres to have a questionable reputations, unjustly imo, tho with Sam & Mobley. But on-court, Artest would give the Clippers a much needed perimeter defensive presence...right now, they try to go with Ross as a stopper, I think he is a solid defensive player but not a go to stopper. And when Magete is there the Clippers dont play Ross as much, so that only leaves Mobley as a quality perimeter defender. And Mobley ends up trying to cover elite wings for a full 48....Artest would give them that legit stopper...and he would give them a guy on the perimeter who can post up & get to the line...yes Maggette gets to the line alot threw penetration...but Artest has a post up game like a power forward, that would goo well with the perimeter shooting of Cassell and Mobley. I think adding Artest to what the Clips have now would allow them to go from a just a playoff contender to a legit conference contender...and with the West being wide open this year, with everyone having glaring weakness, outside of maybe the Spurs..a move of Artest to LA..would change the diminsions out west, imo.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">It wasn't straight up though. However, they also have to realize that not all GM's are as dumb as Mitch.</div> True. LOL I still can't believe that trade. The Rockets are talking about big trades and I know this would never happen, but nothinhgs impossible: Rockets sends: Mcgrady Swift Indiana sends: Artest O' Neal I think the salaries match up well, and it looks like it might benefit both teams. Not that I want to see McGrady leave, but I like the idea of Yao, Swift, and Artest in the front court. Indiana gives up rebounding and in return gets a great scorer. Rockets will finally have a strong rebounder and shot blocker to help out Yao, and will greatly improve in defense. Don't see it happening, but its one of those trades that might really improve both teams. I think the Rockets would improve a lot, while Indiana would be more of a shooting team. Wow, Yao and O'Neal side by side.
McGrady and Swift for Ron and JO? I think not. Indy wouldn't trade JO straight up for Tmac. Bigmen are worth so much more than guards. Not to mention the fact that Swift is worthless baggage.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">McGrady and Swift for Ron and JO? I think not. Indy wouldn't trade JO straight up for Tmac. Bigmen are worth so much more than guards. Not to mention the fact that Swift is worthless baggage.</div> Yea I tried to steal one their. True big men are worth a lot, but when it comes to McGrady, you just have to think twice. It's still a good trade considering Artest is demanding to be traded.
I think JO is untouchable. A more likely trade scenario could be TMac and Swift for Artest, Tinsley and Croshere. Not sure if the salries would match up, so Houston might have to give up Wesley too. Would be a good trade for both teams.
Please Lakers fans Odom (or Luke and George) for Artest won't happen. It's like saying Heat trade Walker for Artest See how ignorance it sounds?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Jerry Sloan can't even handle Puerto Rican hothead Carlos Arroyo, what makes you think he can handle Queensbridge phenom Ron Artest? The Jazz already have Kirilenko</div> Dude, we could use Artest @ SG or SF, Kirilenko plays better @ PF and Okur is a better spark off the bench with him playing starter minutes just like last year O, he's calmed down from what I've seen this year and Arroyo wasn't playing anyways so we didn't need his 4 million dollar *** on the bench
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting superman32:</div><div class="quote_post">I think that this trade should happen: INDY: Ron Artest, Steven Jackson, Sarunas Jasikevicius CLE: Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Damon Jones</div> Do the salaries work on this trade? Because this is probably the most sensible trade I've seen in this whole thread. (Maybe replace Steven Jackson with Jamaal Tinsley?).
I would love Artest to go to the Lakers as well. But he said he wanted to stay in the east coast. Still can hope.
Odom for Artest is the best deal out there if its true. Peja, ehhh no Defense... The knicks? who do they have to offer? marbury? no thx, Indy would only consider Frye and someone else...Crawford? Q-Rich? I just wish the Raps could land him...
If Ron Artest's goal was to go somewhere else and increase his value, he really screwed that up. Obviously he doesn't listen to his agent. What he did by doing this is basically saying even if I'm a starter on a winning team with a chance to win it all, I just might sabotage it out of nowhere. the ron artest of the past was a committed player - his unpredictability was related to off-court or technicals and stuff. Now he's damaged his rep as a player and teammate. His word means nothing. How is any new team supposed to trust him? EVEN for 1 season?? never mind 2 or more years.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting G-UNIT:</div><div class="quote_post">Odom for Artest is the best deal out there if its true. Peja, ehhh no Defense... The knicks? who do they have to offer? marbury? no thx, Indy would only consider Frye and someone else...Crawford? Q-Rich? I just wish the Raps could land him...</div> And when did Odom all of a sudden become a good defender?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">And when did Odom all of a sudden become a good defender?</div> Lol, I was thinking the same thing when I read that post. phunDamentalz is right in a way, but I don't think he could do this again. He doesn't have a huge excuse like he does now. If he tried to pull it again, then NO ONE would trade ANYTHING for him...think about it.
if the rockets could pull of a trade without giving yao and tracy (i know its impossilbe), then i might consider it... for example... anderson, wesley, alston for ron aratest... we would move tracy to the 2 and we would have a line up like this Head / Moochie/ (until sura and barry comes back) Tracy/ Grahm Ron / Bowen Howard/ Swift Yao/ Mutombo but this isnt going to be more of a gamble.... since we don't know exactly when sura and barry is coming back, and i don't think Moochie should play 20 minutes... i think the rockets would sign a point guard like Maruice Baker, after the trade
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting G-UNIT:</div><div class="quote_post">odom gets 10 boards a game... rebounding is not a part of defense?</div> So is Drew Gooden a good defender? How about Troy Murphy, Pau Gasol, etc. Are they all good defenders too because they are good rebounders? Rebounding is a part of defense, but man-to-man defense is one of the most important factors (If not, the most important factor) in how good a players defense is. Sorry to break it to you, but Lamar Odom isn't a good defender.
Its funny After all the bashing Odom for not playing up to his potential and not complementing Kobe enough, Odom is suddenly a good player...Ron Artest caliber....hypocrites..
