Game Thread: Bucks @ Knicks (12/13)

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  1. gmanspack

    gmanspack JBB JustBBall Member

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    WHO:[​IMG] (11-7) @[​IMG] (6-13)

    WHERE:Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
    WHEN: 6:30 PM Central
    TV-Radio MILWAUKEE: TV: UPN 24 RADIO: WTMJ 620
    NEW YORK: TV: MSG RADIO: 1050 ESPN Radio

    PREVIOUS MATCHUPS
    Bucks: Cavs 106 @ Bucks 111
    Knicks: Knicks 81 @ Suns 85

    Streaks
    Bucks: Won 2
    Knicks: Lost 2

    Injuries
    Bucks:
    Joe Smith- OUT (Knee)

    Knicks:
    Quentin Richardson- QUESTIONABE (Family Emergency)

    Probable Starters
    C: [​IMG][​IMG] Jamaal Maglorie/Eddy Curry

    PF: [​IMG][​IMG] Andrew Bogut/Channing Frye

    SF: [​IMG][​IMG] Bobby Simmons/Trevor Ariza

    SG: [​IMG][​IMG] Michael Redd/Stephon Marbury

    PG: [​IMG][​IMG] TJ Ford/Nate Robinson

    6th Men: [​IMG][​IMG] Mo Williams/Jamal Crawford

    Coaches: [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Terry Stotts (1st yr w/ Bucks, 3rd ov. 63-92)
    Larry Brown (1st yr w/Knicks, 24th ov. 993-754)

    Matchup to Watch
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    Michael Redd vs Stephon Marbury
    Redd: 25.0 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 2.4 APG, 45.2% FG 50.7% 3Pt FG
    Marbs: 18.5 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 6.5 APG, 44.0% FG 26.1% 3Pt FG


    Predictions
    Bucks come off a home win Saturday vs Cleveland, Knicks have struggled all year, this is a bad team the Bucks play Monday. But its always tough going to MSG and winning, but I really think the Bucks should win this game

    Bucks 115
    Knicks 103
     
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    The Knicks have been improved lately, especially on the defensive end. I saw a bit of their game at Phoenix the other day, and was mildly impressed. I think this will be a tougher game than we're expecting, and we've got to play D on their post players. I see the Bucks winning this one, but it won't be pretty, and it won't be easy.

    Bucks 98
    Knicks 95
     
  3. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    I've figured out the Bucks, they own Eastern Conf. teams, but are only average against the West. The Knicks are playing better, but the formula to beat them is simple. Just stop Eddy Curry, and everything else collapses on offense for them. When you have Magloire, Bogut, and Gadz in the frontline, I like the Bucks a lot in this match up. I expect them to blow the Knicks out at MSG.

    I can't wait to see the two rookie big men go at it. I don't think Frye can handle Bogut in this game.
     
  4. Mr. J

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks are playing better, but the formula to beat them is simple. Just stop Eddy Curry, and everything else collapses on offense for them. When you have Magloire, Bogut, and Gadz in the frontline, I like the Bucks a lot in this match up. I expect them to blow the Knicks out at MSG. </div>
    I don't know about that. Sure, the Knicks go to him early to try and establish a post presence in the beginning of the game, but when Curry is struggling the Knicks have found ways to get by. They can use the pick and roll which has been very effective for them and they can use a penetration attack and get some of their bigs in foul trouble. If Jamal heats up it coule be dangerous from the outside, too. With the Knicks getting a rare home game playing 13 of their first 19 on the road, I think they could pull of a win.
     
  5. Shapecity

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know about that. Sure, the Knicks go to him early to try and establish a post presence in the beginning of the game, but when Curry is struggling the Knicks have found ways to get by. They can use the pick and roll which has been very effective for them and they can use a penetration attack and get some of their bigs in foul trouble. If Jamal heats up it coule be dangerous from the outside, too. With the Knicks getting a rare home game playing 13 of their first 19 on the road, I think they could pull of a win.</div>

    I disagree, the reason the Knicks have been in most games has been Curry. He still commands a double team and it leads to a lot of easy baskets for the Knicks. When the Knicks stop feeding the post, their offense gets sloppy and they have to rely on making perimeter shots. On a few occassions their perimeter shots have fallen, but teams who rely on winning from the outside don't have much success in the league.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree, the reason the Knicks have been in most games has been Curry. He still commands a double team and it leads to a lot of easy baskets for the Knicks. When the Knicks stop feeding the post, their offense gets sloppy and they have to rely on making perimeter shots. On a few occassions their perimeter shots have fallen, but teams who rely on winning from the outside don't have much success in the league.</div>
    It leads to some easy baskets, but Curry isn?t a good passer out of the post. He?s never averaged a single assist in his fifth year in the league. This year he?s only averaging 0.3 assists per game. Another reason why the Knicks? offense has looked sloppy is because of Curry. In about 23 minutes of play, he averages almost 3 turnovers and 3 personal fouls (most of them being offensive). He can draw fouls, but when he gets to the line, he shoots 59%. All in all, Curry isn?t a really reliable offensive player. Although this is due to his calf injury and just being acquired two months ago, I don?t think he?s the reason why we?re in games; I don?t usually see him down the stretch in games. Curry hasn?t performed well, or, in some cases, hasn?t even played, but the Knicks have taken just about every game this season to the last minute. The Knicks are much more reliant upon Marbury on offense than they are Curry. On the perimeter the Bucks have Michael Redd ? a terrible defender ? guarding Stephon Marbury. Marbury and Frye often times run the pick and roll, a play I hear Bogut has a hard time defending and Redd obviously plays no defense. Also, with Frye?s jumper Marbury can penetrate easily. This will force everyone on their frontcourt to either guard Frye 18 feet away from the basket, or pay with an open two.

    We?ll see what happens though [​IMG]
     
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    We might actually use TJ on Marbury tonight. We've done that a couple times this year-in the Cleveland game we used him on Hughes for stretches (and he did a fantastic job) and we've used him other times when an opposing 2 guard isn't overwhemingly big for him.

    As to Bogut on the pick and roll, he's actually made big strides in all facets of his defense, and I'd say he's just as athletic as Frye, so he shouldn't have all that much trouble with him.

    While I'm not going to sit here with homer glasses and say that Redd is a good defender, he's shown some solid improvement this year, IMO. He's still nowhere near where I'd like him to be, but he's made a better effort on D. This team as a whole needs to get better on defense, though [​IMG]
     
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    I'm pleased to hear about the improvements on their games. I like many players on the Bucks, so please don't think I was trying to bash the team. Just a little criticism is all.[​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm pleased to hear about the improvements on their games. I like many players on the Bucks, so please don't think I was trying to bash the team. Just a little criticism is all.[​IMG]</div>

    For sure [​IMG] you're right that we could struggle defensively, we have most of the season. I think this will be a good game, you guys have been improved lately and especially on defense.
     
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    Bucks lead at the half, 61-49

    Redd has 13 and Danny G has 12 and 4 boards, while TJ has 9 and 8 assists so far. We're up 12 but they're still shooting 57% from the floor [​IMG] Frye, if for no other reason than me saying that we'd contain him, is 8/10 from the floor with 18 already [​IMG] Like usual, we have to play significantly better D in the second half.
     
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    never payed too much attention to michael redd's game what a great shooter he is, quick releases and his shot doesnt have much arc and it still goes in

    5 bucks players got double digit scoring pretty good performance by mike and the bucks
     
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    Milwaukee 26 35 26 25 112 Final
    New York 26 23 26 17 92


    Bobby Simmons missed the game with a shoulder injury


    Bucks Leading Scorer-Michael Redd 31 pts
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    Others: Gadzuric 18, Williams 15, Magloire 11, Kukoc 10, Ford 9, Welsch 5, Bell 5, Bogut 4, Gaines 2, Johnson 2

    Knicks Leading Scorer-Channing Frye 30 pts[​IMG]
    Others: Curry 15, Robinson 15, Marbury 7, Richardson 5, Butler 5, Woods 5, Taylor 4, Ariza 4, James 2

    Bucks Leading Reb.-Jamaal Magloire 6 boards[​IMG]
    Others: Bogut 5, Ford 5, Gadzuric 4, Welsch 4, Redd 2, Williams 2, Kukoc 2, Bell 2, Davis 1, Johnson 1

    Knicks Leading Reb.- Channing Frye, Nate Robinson 7 boards
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    Others: Curry 5, Crawford 4, Butler 4, Marbury 2, Ariza 2, Richardson 1, Taylor 1

    Bucks Leading Assists- TJ Ford 9 assists[​IMG]
    Others: Redd 5, Kukoc 4, Welsch 2, Bogut 1, Davis 1, Williams 1, Bell 1

    Knicks Leading Assists- Stephon Marbury 7 Assists[​IMG]
    Others: Robinson 6, Crawford 4, Frye 2, Richardson 2, James 1

    GMan's Thoughts
    Bucks finally have a game where they come out and take control, and keep control. Channing Frye was impressive, shot real well...career night. Danny G was huge for the Bucks. 18 pts in 18 minutes. Redd shot real well in scoring 31 pts with 5 assists, 5-5 3s. Mo had 15, Jamaal had 11. Mo started in the place of Bobby Simmons who missed the game with a shoulder injury. Marbury was terrible, Nate Robinson scored well, but turned it over 7 times. Bucks finally didn't play to the level of a bad team.

    GMans MVP: Dan Gadzuric
    NEW RECORDS
    Bucks 12-7
    Knicks 6-14


    Next Games
    Bucks vs Miami Wednesday
    Knicks vs Orlando Wednesday
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I expect them to blow the Knicks out at MSG. </div>

    Take that Mr J [​IMG]
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Take that Mr J [​IMG]</div>
    Ok, I was [​IMG]
     

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