Guess what? Ron Artest wants out! I think he maybe what the Lakers need: I say the Lakers trade: SF Luke Walton SF Devean George for Ron Artest, conditions to this trade are that Luke Walton cannot be traded until December 15th due to his new contract. The Lakers could use the toughness and defense of Artest, and this way we get the star we want without having to trade any bigs. With this trade, the Lakers are -3 in rebounds, and -2.2 in assists per game. They are, however, +6.8 in points, and we get arguably the best defensive player in the game. Why we do this trade? See above Why they do this trade? They get the expiring contract of $5M of Devean George, and they get a promising player in Luke Walton. Possible starting scenarios for LA: PG Lamar Odom SG Kobe Bryant SF Ron Artest PF Kwame Brown C Chris Mihm OR PG Smush Parker SG Kobe Bryant SF Ron Artest PF Lamar Odom C Chris Mihm I have this trade on realgm.com. The transaction ID#2697876. Thoughts?
Yet another scenario I was also thinking we trade Lamar Odom and get Ron Artest and Jamaal Tinsley. Lamar is a promising player, and Indiana has fine PGs in Jasikevicius and Fred Jones. Then our starting lineup would be: PG Smush Parker/ Jamaal Tinsley SG Kobe Bryant SF Ron Artest PF Kwame Brown C Chris Mihm
hahahaha what are you smoking out there in L.A.? Artest AND Tinsley for Odom?? That is so funny i have a pain in my side. Why don't you try and pry Steve Nash away from Phoenix for Lamar. Lamar has a lot of *potential*, especially for a guy who's only been in the league for about 6 years.
There's no way Artest would go to LA, he already said he wanted to be traded to a winning team preferably in the eastern conference. Beside if Kobe couldn't get along with shaq do you even want to think about artest?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I say the Lakers trade: SF Luke Walton SF Devean George for Ron Artest</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">PG Lamar Odom SG Kobe Bryant SF Ron Artest PF Kwame Brown C Chris Mihm OR PG Smush Parker SG Kobe Bryant SF Ron Artest PF Lamar Odom C Chris Mihm</div> I wouldn't want to trade either George or Walton. They are both solid role players that know the triangle offense. You can't put a price on that. They are battle tested, and have both made huge plays in big games. I'd rather trade Lamar straight up for Ron Ron. Lamar at the point won't work all that great, and Lamar at the PF REALLY won't work. It'd be best to get rid of Lamar to make room for Ronnie. PG Smush Parker/ Jamaal Tinsley SG Kobe Bryant SF Ron Artest PF AndrewBynum C Chris Mihm That's a really solid lineup- move Bynum to the 4 where he would create a mismatch over a number of PF's. By this time next year, that lineup would begin to mesh and understand the triangle- I really see a lot of potential for that club. Ron Ron is much more like Scottie Pippen than is Lamar.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Johnnybrasco:</div><div class="quote_post">There's no way Artest would go to LA, he already said he wanted to be traded to a winning team preferably in the eastern conference. Beside if Kobe couldn't get along with shaq do you even want to think about artest?</div> Lakers are a winning team, and I didn't see the quote where Ron Artest said he didn't want to come to LA. If he was adament about playing for a winning team, why would he want to play for the Knicks? He said he wants to play in a system where he can showcase his offense more. The Triangle is the perfect system for him. PJax and Kobe will encourage him to go for 20+ a night. Kobe couldn't get along with Shaq, because Shaq was lazy and more concerned about his extension than winning a title. Besides Artest and Kobe already get along, they've had a mutual respect for each other for many years already. Both are fierce competitors it's a perfect fit. As for trade scenarios I think Odom for Artest + Filler (Pollard) is realistic. I don't think Indy would trade Artest + Tinsley at the same time, they just need to get rid of one of them to improve the chemistry. Another scenario I wouldn't mind is Odom + Slava for Artest + Croshere. PG - Smush SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Turiaf C - Mihm Imagine this lineup stepping on the floor by early 2006. OR PG - Smush SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Croshere C - Mihm
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">hahahaha what are you smoking out there in L.A.? Artest AND Tinsley for Odom?? That is so funny i have a pain in my side. Why don't you try and pry Steve Nash away from Phoenix for Lamar. Lamar has a lot of *potential*, especially for a guy who's only been in the league for about 6 years.</div> It does sound farfetched, but I wouldn't call it laughable. Think about the situation Indiana is in. They are already paying the luxury tax, the team has been in a slump, Larry Bird said changes might be coming, and Tinsley/Artest have worn out their welcome in Indiana. With Artest asking to be traded, his value drops significantly because he takes a lot of negotiating power away from Indy. The Pacers like what Suranas is doing for them, and having the opportunity to unload Tinsley's contract would benefit their cap relief. Plus landing Odom gives them another player who can handle the rock and run their offense. I think we can all agree Odom is better than Peja, especially in Indiana. So Indiana gets a solid starter, unloads two headaches, and saves some money down the line. If you put it in those terms, then it's really not that bad is it?
Shape why do you keep bringing up odom for artest? come on, artest is a much more valuable player then odom, first of all the pacers are crazy to actually let artest go. Probably the best prerimeter defender since pippen, but for odom no way.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Johnnybrasco:</div><div class="quote_post">Shape why do you keep bringing up odom for artest? come on, artest is a much more valuable player then odom, first of all the pacers are crazy to actually let artest go. Probably the best prerimeter defender since pippen, but for odom no way. On fridays espn halftime show for the cavs nets game, steven a smith said he had spoken to artest and that artest wanted to go to a contending team preferably in the eastern conference.</div> If you were Indy would you rather have Peja or Odom? I keep bringing it up because it's been discussed before between the teams. Artest said he would prefer, that's a lot different than saying I don't want to play for LA. There's a slim chance the Pacers deal him to an East Coast team unless it's Atlanta or Toronto.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What teams interest Artest? His hometown New York Knicks. "If I go to the West Coast, I would come back to New York after my contract is up," Artest said. "I would go to Cleveland. I wouldn't mind coming off the bench behind LeBron James. There's a lot of players I wouldn't mind coming off the bench behind. If it was a perfect world, I would be going to New York."</div> http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives...requests_trade/ Even if he was traded to the lakers in his own words he wouldn't stay past his contact date.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Johnnybrasco:</div><div class="quote_post">http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives...requests_trade/ Even if he was traded to the lakers in his own words he wouldn't stay past his contact date.</div> Well he's signed for 3 more years (including this one), so it's not a big deal if he wants to leave after this contract is up. In the meantime the Lakers can try to win with him for the next 3 years, and maybe he re-signs if he enjoys it here in LA. There's also no guarantee the Knicks would want him or have cap room to sign him 3 years down the line. He'll be 30 by then and on the decline of his career. I'd just rather have a chance to win with Artest for the next 3 years, than Odom.
do you really think that artest can be the saviour for you guys? i think Odom is a much better all around player if there was a odom for artest deal on the table i think it should be rejected by the lakers
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PlaTsanity:</div><div class="quote_post">do you really think that artest can be the saviour for you guys? i think Odom is a much better all around player if there was a odom for artest deal on the table i think it should be rejected by the lakers</div> It should be the other way. Indiana could get more for Artest than Odom.
Keep dreaming Lakers Pacers would never give Artest and Tinsley for Odom. The Lakers might have to give 2-3 more players to get both players out of the Pacers. If Artest does want out so badly, Pacers will have almost every team in the NBA calling with a purposal. Lakers' Odom for Artest & Tinsley purposal will easily be declined.
I posted this last night on the other Laker trade thread but, how about: Lakers trade -- Lamar Odom, Devean George & Slava Medvedenko Lakers recieve -- Ron Artest, Austin Croshere & Scott Pollard This would give the Lakers Ron Artest and we will also have about $5 million more freed up for 2007 because of the difference of salaries between Lamar and Artest. The Pacers on the other hand are recieving two players in their final years of their contract in George and Slava which total at $8 million a year. We would have to deal with Croshere's $10 million dollars next season but the $5 million should help us a lot in that 2007 offseason, while still having Artest under contract for one, possibly two seasons after that with Kobe and I regret to say also Kwame. The Lakers with Odom being the difference maker (IMO) have been playing very well lately and I would hate to say "what if it was starting to work out for Kobe and Lamar," Artest is much more of a consistent scorer and definitely a much better defender to complement Kobe. However, we still have to wonder if Indiana would consider this trade, because it's basically Artest for Odom in the end. Like I read earlier on one of Shape's posts though, Odom should be a much safer option for Indiana rather than Peja not only talent wise but because Peja also has the player option on his contract for next season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lakers trade -- Lamar Odom, Devean George & Slava Medvedenko Lakers recieve -- Ron Artest, Austin Croshere & Scott Pollard This would give the Lakers Ron Artest and we will also have about $5 million more freed up for 2005 because of the difference of salaries of the two.</div> Of all the scenarios brought up- I like this one the best. It isn't out of the question at all. Plus Artest would get ALL THE PUBLICITY he wants for his CD lol. Like someone said, Indy will be vary wary of trading Artest to an east coast team, the only teams on the least Coast that Indy would consider doing business with dont have the peices necessary to aquire Artest- Unless New York traded Fye- but they'd have to throw in someone else to make contracts work.
I don't know if the Pacers would let the Lakers have Ron Artest. Larry Bird isn't exactly the biggest Laker fan, history proven, and the last thing Larry wants to see is the Lakers getting a deal. Plus IMO, I think the Lakers can do better than Artest.
I believe that Lamar straight up for Artest is no more far-fetched than Artest for Peja. However, for Artest and Tinsley is far-fetched. And whoever said Artest for George and Walton must be joking. I can't see him coming to LA. He wants to stay out East, and I can't see two of the biggest egos in the league playing together on the wing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">I posted this last night on the other Laker trade thread but, how about: Lakers trade -- Lamar Odom, Devean George & Slava Medvedenko Lakers recieve -- Ron Artest, Austin Croshere & Scott Pollard This would give the Lakers Ron Artest and we will also have about $5 million more freed up for 2007 because of the difference of salaries between Lamar and Artest. The Pacers on the other hand are recieving two players in their final years of their contract in George and Slava which total at $8 million a year. We would have to deal with Croshere's $10 million dollars next season but the $5 million should help us a lot in that 2007 offseason, while still having Artest under contract for one, possibly two seasons after that with Kobe and I regret to say also Kwame. The Lakers with Odom being the difference maker (IMO) have been playing very well lately and I would hate to say "what if it was starting to work out for Kobe and Lamar," Artest is much more of a consistent scorer and definitely a much better defender to complement Kobe. However, we still have to wonder if Indiana would consider this trade, because it's basically Artest for Odom in the end. Like I read earlier on one of Shape's posts though, Odom should be a much safer option for Indiana rather than Peja not only talent wise but because Peja also has the player option on his contract for next season.</div> I love the trade scenario, what ever the Lakers need to do to get Artest in the P&G is all I'm concerned about.
