This would be the greatest move Bitch Kupcake has made in his career if he pulls it off. Maybe I will call him by his real name now.
Damn I should be a GM I actually previously said that the PAcers were not looking for equal value they are looking to cleared salary cap for next year to get a star player....I heard a rumor that the lakers do need to give up Odom or Bynum.....(Not Bynum please.) Although the Lakers will never give up Bynum.
Outgoing Devean George 6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN 5.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 20.1 minutes Luke Walton 6-8 SF from Arizona 6.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 23.6 minutes Laron Profit 6-5 SG from Maryland 3.9 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.6 minutes Incoming Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's 19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes David Harrison 7-0 C from Colorado 2.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.1 apg in 9.9 minutes Change in team outlook: +6.5 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and -2.1 apg. Indiana Trade Breakdown Outgoing Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's 19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes David Harrison 7-0 C from Colorado 2.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.1 apg in 9.9 minutes Incoming Devean George 6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN 5.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 20.1 minutes Luke Walton 6-8 SF from Arizona 6.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 23.6 minutes Laron Profit 6-5 SG from Maryland 3.9 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.6 minutes Change in team outlook: -6.5 ppg, +2.1 rpg, and +2.1 apg. This trade works on all angles IMO. Trade ID: 2718630.
trade walton/george for artest, start Vujacic, Bryant, Artest, Mihm, and Odom & own them, defensivly speaklng. offensively, well it'll be "LIGHTS OUT"
Vujacic???? Start Vujacic??? He isnt starting material in the first place, and what skills he does have are best brought off the bench. Keep starting Smush- he's averaging 13 4 and 3, along with being #7 in steal in the League. Start Bynum and see what he can do in some major minutes. Then- they'll be real good.
Phil Jackson started Sasha tonite against the Grizzlies. Didn't help much, but at least they got the win.
With the recent winning streak, I'm not so sure on who you want to trade for Artest. Three guys I wouldn't trade though is Odom, Walton and Bynum.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">MEMPHIS, Tenn. - The Lakers - and coach Phil Jackson, in particular - have strong interest in acquiring troubled Indiana Pacers forward Ron Artest, a source close to the team said Wednesday. But the Lakers are not willing to part with forward Lamar Odom in a trade package and are uncertain whether they even will be among the league's leading contenders to land Artest, who demanded a trade over the weekend. The Lakers have come together recently - winning five of six games on a long road trip that ended with a 94-79 victory at Memphis Wednesday - but Jackson is said to believe the team could advance deep in the Western Conference playoffs with Artest. Although Artest was suspended 73 games last season for his part in the NBA's most infamous brawl, Jackson spoke in positive terms about the 26-year-old forward - a former All-Star and defensive player of the year - before Monday's game in Dallas. "I don't see how you're going to get value out of this player who in my estimation is one of the most valuable players in the league," Jackson said. "Of course, I estimate him perhaps higher than other people. But I think he's a terrific player. He adds a big dimension to every game he plays in." Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak would not comment Wednesday on any player under contract to another team or address trade rumors. He added that Jackson probably would speak similarly about 15 to 20 other players across the league. The Lakers are not even sure the Pacers ultimately will decide to trade Artest, though Indiana CEO Donnie Walsh said Monday the team would try. The problem comes in getting comparable players for Artest, who will make $6.8 million this season. Most NBA stars are paid nearly double what Artest is making and the league's salary-cap rules require teams to approximately match player salaries in a trade. In a Saturday interview with the Indianapolis Star, Artest said in a "perfect world" he would go home and play for the New York Knicks. Isiah Thomas, the Knicks' president of basketball operations, is believed to have coveted Artest for some time. Speaking before New York's game Wednesday against the Orlando Magic, Isiah Thomas said he contacted the Pacers, but he won't trade any of his young players - such as Channing Frye, Nate Robinson and David Lee - for Artest. What the Lakers could best offer for Artest - if they refuse to trade Odom - probably would be either forward Kwame Brown or forward Devean George and teenage center Andrew Bynum. Brown could play center for the Pacers and allow Jermaine O'Neal to play power forward. George could replace Artest at small forward and is a talented defender. Bynum was the Lakers' first-round pick and has shown potential despite being only 18. Odom, meanwhile, is the last player remaining from the trade that sent Shaquille O'Neal to the Miami Heat and is averaging 15.9 points, 9.4 rebounds and 5.6 assists in one of the best seasons of his career. Jackson has said he returned to coaching with the belief that he could use Odom much as he once did Scottie Pippen in the triangle offense. The possibility of an Odom-Artest pairing is intriguing because the two are friends from New York. Odom spoke out in support of Artest following last season's brawl and said Monday the two crossed paths a couple of times during the summer. "He seemed like he was just ready to play," Odom said. "I was surprised by (the trade demand). You never know. ... My grandmother always said, 'You don't know what's going on in somebody else's house.' " </div> Source With this tidbit of info, I think it's important Odom is not involved in the trade. Having Odom around to support Artest would be key to making him work in LA. Out of the two trade scenarios mentioned above... Kwame for Artest Bynum + George for Artest I'd rather trade Kwame for him straight up.
Yes, of course anyone would be willing to give up Kwame for Artest, but I don't think there is many who would give up Artest for Kwame. Ultimately, it's the Pacers who decide where Artest goes, and they almost certainly have better offers at their table.
What about Kwame and George ans Slavas expiring contract for Artest and a throw in just to make the salaries work? Indiana is over the limit so they would and could use the money that Slava's contract would allow them.
The Pacers are going to trade Artest, a fact. Pacers are not trading to an East Coast Team, a fact. Lakers being the front runners, a fact. Lakers will trade Deven Goerge. Lakers will not trade Odom or Bynum. Jerry Buss was asked on a radio inteview yesterday about the 2007 plan and he said that the 2007 plan could even take in effect this year. That there could be a big trade that will bring an All-Star player to the Lakers to make them contenders this year. Mitch along with Jerry Buss and Phil are working on getting Artest without trading Odom and Bynum. This trade is becoming a reality and since the trade dateline starts today. I could see it happening by Saturday. Get ready Lakers fans....Artes could be wearing a Laker jersey by next week.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Pacers are going to trade Artest, a fact. Pacers are not trading to an East Coast Team, a fact. Lakers being the front runners, a fact. Lakers will trade Deven Goerge. Lakers will not trade Odom or Bynum. Jerry Buss was asked on a radio inteview yesterday about the 2007 plan and he said that the 2007 plan could even take in effect this year. That there could be a big trade that will bring an All-Star player to the Lakers to make them contenders this year. Mitch along with Jerry Buss and Phil are working on getting Artest without trading Odom and Bynum. This trade is becoming a reality and since the trade dateline starts today. I could see it happening by Saturday. Get ready Lakers fans....Artes could be wearing a Laker jersey by next week</div> Is this a statement of matter-of-fact hope and opinion, or is there some truth behind it? I haven't heard anything about the Lakers being the front runners, though everyone agrees that Artest could be the Lakers "Rasheed Wallace: (see pistons 2 years ago) and push the Lakers over the top. That aside, half the league has been brought up in scenarios for Ron Artest, though only a handful of West Coast teams- Seattle, Denver, Sacremento, Golden State, the Clippers, and the Lakers, so unless there is a new development from SI, ESPN or another "credible" source, I wouldn't say the Lakers are the frontrunners, tho I would really like to think they are.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Is this a statement of matter-of-fact hope and opinion, or is there some truth behind it? I haven't heard anything about the Lakers being the front runners, though everyone agrees that Artest could be the Lakers "Rasheed Wallace: (see pistons 2 years ago) and push the Lakers over the top. That aside, half the league has been brought up in scenarios for Ron Artest, though only a handful of West Coast teams- Seattle, Denver, Sacremento, Golden State, the Clippers, and the Lakers, so unless there is a new development from SI, ESPN or another "credible" source, I wouldn't say the Lakers are the frontrunners, tho I would really like to think they are.</div> It was on local radio station yesterday. I don't think the Lakers are the frontrunners anymore though.
I don't know if it's possible to get Artest without letting go of Odom. I know the trade of Artest hurts the Pacers chances of contending, but I'm sure the Pacers want to remain one of the East's better teams. Trading Artest to L.A. for anyone less than Odom would be foolish for the Pacers, especially considering they?re other teams both in the Eastern and Western Conferences who can offer more. Kwame Brown has been awful in his entire NBA career. Everyone insisted he needed a change of scenery to make him reach his full first overall pick potential, but I don?t see it. In every Laker game I?ve seen this season, Kwame has been a non-factor. He seems to have a lazy demeanor about him and has some bad hands. I can?t remember seeing anyone plagued with butterfingers as badly as him. Potential is only reached by working for it. Kwame hasn?t done that and doesn?t look like he will. Now, the other player, Andre Bynum is interesting. He is drenched with potential, but after seeing him I don?t think he?ll make any sort of impact for the next four years minimum. He?s more raw than I expected and if I?m not mistaken, he didn?t play his senior year in high school due to injuries. He is a big risk and isn?t guaranteed to be an all-star in this league. Devean George doesn?t really need an explanation; he?s nothing than an average role player at best. Surely nothing that will make the Pacers want to bite. Granted he is expiring, but $5 million of an expiring contract isn?t worth Artest. It will be nice to get Artest without giving up Odom. The Lakers will be a lock to make the playoffs if they can all stay healthy, but I think Indiana is getting completely raped in this deal. Artest, despite his shenanigans, is an all-star, the best defender in the game today, and a valuable asset to any team. Tell me how the Lakers? deal is better than a: - Peja Stojakovic for Artest swap - Rashard Lewis for Artest swap -Morris Peterson, ?06 first rounder, and a filler for Artest swap
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if I’m not mistaken, he didn’t play his senior year in high school due to injuries</div> The only reason Bynum was chosen #10 in the draft was because he lost weight his senior summer and dominated Senior year. As for Peja- Everyone is saying he is too one-dimensional to be traded to the pacers, he would give them a shooter but that's it. He disappears in the playoffs as well, and that is definately not what the Pacers want. Rashard Lewis- Contract is too big, unless Indiana threw in someone else as well...who would that be? Besides- I don't see Seattle trading Lewis, he means too much to that team behind Ray. Morris Peterson??? 'Nuff said. Kwame Brown, Devean George and Slava's expiring contract for Artest and a throw in, or a pick. It gives Indiana potential, experience, and money. What's not to like about that for the pacers?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Kwame Brown, Devean George and Slava's expiring contract for Artest and a throw in, or a pick. It gives Indiana potential, experience, and money. What's not to like about that for the pacers?</div> Kwame Brown - Bum Deaven George and Slava - Just gives them 2 players with expiring contracts. They wouldn't even crack the rotation. Indiana gets potential? If your talking about Kwame, then get with the program. If their was any coach that could get through to Kwame, it was Phil Jackson, and he doesn't even want to coach him now. He's never going to get a long term deal, so he should enjoy this contract while it lasts. BTW, I got a trade idea! How about Indiana trades Jermaine O'Neal to LA for Brian Cook, Laron Profit, and a 2nd round pick. Now you see how stupid that sounds?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW, I got a trade idea! How about Indiana trades Jermaine O'Neal to LA for Brian Cook, Laron Profit, and a 2nd round pick. Now you see how stupid that sounds?</div> Just makes you look like a moron actually
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">The only reason Bynum was chosen #10 in the draft was because he lost weight his senior summer and dominated Senior year.</div> Sorry, I heard during the Lakers/Knicks game on ESPN a few weeks ago. It doesn?t really matter though. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As for Peja- Everyone is saying he is too one-dimensional to be traded to the pacers, he would give them a shooter but that's it. He disappears in the playoffs as well, and that is definately not what the Pacers want.</div> Now that Reggie Miller has retied, the Pacers can definitely use a shooter to spread the floor. With the exception of Sarunas Jasikevicius, no one on the Pacers is particularly adept at shooting. With Jermaine O?Neal drawing doubles, Peja can make the opposition pay. Even with him struggling in the playoffs, his presence alone can have an effect on the game. Besides, he?d be better suited for the playoffs than George, Medvedenko, or Brown. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Rashard Lewis- Contract is too big, unless Indiana threw in someone else as well...who would that be? Besides- I don't see Seattle trading Lewis, he means too much to that team behind Ray.</div> It?s only a $2 million difference between Shard and Ron. The Pacers could easily throw in someone like Anthony Johnson to make the contracts match. Seattle?s opponents score 105 points per game, shoot 48.8% from the field and 39.4% from downtown. Point is, they need defense and Shard doesn?t give that to them. His scoring production is replaceable and Seattle has enough shooters, so it?s not a major sacrifice for the Sonics. The Pacers get a 26-year-old all-star who will give them 21 points per game and shoot a high percentage from the field. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Morris Peterson??? 'Nuff said.</div> Morris Peterson is a good defender, so there won?t be too much of a void defensively. He?s also a good shooter and Indiana can use that. The Pacers will also get a #1 pick from them. The Pacers might also pressure Babcock in giving them an unprotected pick, or at the least, a pick from the struggling Denver Nuggets. At $4.5 million, Peterson will also come cheap. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kwame Brown, Devean George and Slava's expiring contract for Artest and a throw in, or a pick. It gives Indiana potential, experience, and money. What's not to like about that for the pacers?</div> I know, but Indiana can get more potential, more cap space, and more experience elsewhere. What makes you so sure it?ll be from the Lakers?
