Heard this on NBA Shoot Around after the Clipper-Spurs game. Ric Bucher reported the Nets have taken the "untouchable" label off of Jason Kidd. The Nets haven't been the uptempo team everyone thought they would be and they feel it's more Kidd's age, than Frank's coaching. The last two days both Carter and Kidd have come up in trade talks. The Nets are obviously looking for a shakeup because the trio of Kidd-Carter-Jefferson has been disappointing. Should the Nets break this group up or give it more time? Who would you prefer to see traded Kidd or Carter?
The problem is that I think we held on to Jason Kidd too long...I remember for the last past two offseasons, I have got into long debts on why we should have put Jason on the market...but no one was really feeling the idea. Now, it seems even the front office maybe interested in moving him. The problem is his stock has taken a drop, even from what is was at the start of this season. So teams are going to try and get the best of Rod Thorn in any deal now....The Nets will never get the best of a Jason Kidd trade at this point. Think about it his contract is so huge that almost any team Jersey makes a deal with is going to try and move one of their bad contracts in the deal...So I think unless Rod can out smart a gm. And pull off a deal that brings back a young and up & coming player...I dont see any deal happening... because any veteran player at this point will definately come with a contract that will kill the Nets from making other moves. And wont have the impact of Jason. Should have trade Jason two offseason's ago like I said..just not worth it now. As far as moving Carter, Iam definately not against. But it has to be in a deal to get a very quality big...or in a deal that brings Artest in to replace him. But Iam not willing to part with Vince for a Carlos Boozer level bigman. If its for a big, I say hold Vince and pray...KG becomes available, package Carter with some decent filler and a couple of picks and hope Minny says yes...because such a deal would get KG out the West...more then because they love what they would get in return.
The question is which team needs Kidd and are able to put up a decent trade. Spurs have always been interested but I don' think anymore. Personally I would prefer Carter to go first instead of Kidd.
Kidd's jersey has to be retired by the Nets he has done so much for you guys i hve a question though--when is his contract expiring?
^Not anytime soon. In 2009 he's expiring, so if the Nets are looking to trade him, now will be the right time; Kidd isn't getting any younger. Question is: what kind of available point guard can replace Kidd's production?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^Not anytime soon. In 2009 he's expiring, so if the Nets are looking to trade him, now will be the right time; Kidd isn't getting any younger. Question is: what kind of available point guard can replace Kidd's production?</div> Perhaps TJ Ford? By no means am I saying he should be traded for Kidd but a young PG of his likes with the speed and quickness that he would benifit this team well.
Yup, he'd be a good replacement. He's a pass-first point guard and can thrive in the transition game. He's also improved his jumper, so that will make him dangerous to go along with his quickness. The only thing that's not making him a 'perfect' replace is his height. Unfortunately, at 6'0 (more like 5'10), he will never be the defender or rebounder Kidd was. The best time for the Nets to have won it all was from 2001-2002 to 2002-2003.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting babybulls:</div><div class="quote_post">They should have traded kidd for Parker</div> When was that trade even available? If it is straight up it doesn't work because of the salaries anyway.
I'll just speak generally. The season is long. There are many more games left to be played. Players get tierd and bored. They have bad spots in the season, they improve in some sections. The NBA season is a marathon. It is often not about how well a team plays in the begining of the season that matters. It is also not matter whether certain players do not play up to thier potential in the begining of the season. What matters is how you finish. If you are a team that can play and win two out of every three games consistently, then good. If you are a shooting team and win when you are an a hot-streak, and lose a batch of games due to poor shooting, then you better be able to step it up come playoffs time. I think that the Nets are the latter type of team. They will not be able to play well night in and night out and win and lose a consistent number of games throughout a given quantity of games. The Nets also will not be able to keep themselves going if they really hustle and run in the begining of the season. They'll just have a dropoff at the end like Cleveland had last season. The Nets right now are taking it easy and keeping thier bodies in shape so that they can really put it all out on the court after the All-Star break. They did it last season, and they plan to do it this season. There is no point in loosing patience with the big three or any players on the team. As a fan I have fun complaining about them, but if I were in the GM's shoes I would wait until this season is over before determining who has to go and who has to stay. I actually bet you Frank has told his players that he is going to experiment with plays and playing styles in this part of the season as a way to get all of the player on the same page for when it really counts. We also can't forget that Kidd is one of the most motivational player in the league. If he wills for his team to play hard, he's going to do that. The Nets expect to make a long playoff run this year, and they know that if they want to go deep, they will have to have energy and staminia later in the season to do so. So, in conclusion, I call for no trades (unless it is true beneficial) and no urgency until it is absolutely needed. The Atlantic Division is weak this year, so winning it is not as difficult as it was last year (as thing stand right now of course).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">When was that trade even available? If it is straight up it doesn't work because of the salaries anyway.</div> Back when Kidd was a free agent and San Antonio had cap room to make it happen. It was rumored that the Spurs would offer Parker for Kidd in a sign-and-trade.
Yeah, I think the Spurs were offering Parker, Horry, and Mercer for Kidd back then. It is NOT Kidd's age that's stopping them from their signature up-tempo game, it's their DEFENSE. When K-mart and Kittles were here, we were a great defensive team. We got many stops on the defensive end that led to 20-25 fastbreak points a game. Right now we're barely seeing it happen, and as a result Jefferson and Kidd aren't able to excel like they usually do. If worse comes to worse i'd rather consider trading Carter before considering Kidd.
A point guard of Kidd's calibre, regardless of his age and declining skills, is still rare. If they really want to shake things up, I think they should consider trading Carter, because an aging Kidd is still something that half the teams in the NBA lack.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting giftedvisionz:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I think the Spurs were offering Parker, Horry, and Mercer for Kidd back then. It is NOT Kidd's age that's stopping them from their signature up-tempo game, it's their DEFENSE. When K-mart and Kittles were here, we were a great defensive team. We got many stops on the defensive end that led to 20-25 fastbreak points a game. Right now we're barely seeing it happen, and as a result Jefferson and Kidd aren't able to excel like they usually do. If worse comes to worse i'd rather consider trading Carter before considering Kidd.</div> I would agree with you on that because the nets were an awesome up tempo team back then Kid, Kettle, Kmart and Jefferson were awesome on the defensive end. Then the nets went the route of an almost all half court team with no defense. Its just the half court game that the nets has back then what garbage. I was and still am a firm believer that we need a half court game but when getting that half court game we gave up our defense and fastbreak ability which was our strong point. To top that all off we lost KMart with no reimbursement and we are still looking for a player to replace him. They just need that 1 defensive stopper I belive Ben Wallace is a free agent at the end of this season he would be a great pick up for this team. but that is just my opinion.
I think New Jersey needs Kidd more than Carter, a team of Carter and RJ is a team without direction. A team with Kidd is a team towards winning, if they were to do a Artest + Foster, Harrison or Pollard for Carter trade, the results would be: New Jersey finally gets a competitor to play alongside Kidd and a back-up center. Indiana gets a passive talented player in Carter who can play the 2/3, since they already have leaders in Jermaine O'Neil, Carlise, and Euro MVP dude, it works out
If Nets trade Kidd, I would hope it be a contending team, or a team that would become a contender with the acquisition. I say Nets to Dallas for Andre Miller and hopefully Kenyon, but with Nene out I doubt Kenyon is available.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">If Nets trade Kidd, I would hope it be a contending team, or a team that would become a contender with the acquisition. I say Nets to Dallas for Andre Miller and hopefully Kenyon, but with Nene out I doubt Kenyon is available.</div> I don't think if Nene was healthy Denver would make the move. Kenyon Martin and Andre Miller are more valuable to the Nuggets then Jason Kidd would be to them. As was said before, Kidd is a unique player and you probably won't find many point guards who can produce like him. I think the best bet would be to keep him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kenyon Martin and Andre Miller are more valuable to the Nuggets then Jason Kidd would be to them. </div> I whole heartily disagree. Kenyon is the best defender on the team and a lot of the defense revolves around him, but I think Jason Kidd's not a bad defender himself, he still made the 2nd team last year. Andre Miller is just not the point gaurd right for the team. He looks for his shot too much. He passes only when he's sure to get the assist or he's doubled. Jason's made players like Shawn Marion and Richard Jefferson so good, just imagine him with a guy like Carmelo. It's just a good match. The team is young, will run with Kidd and there's just so much athleticism on that team. The trade will make us look good for abit, but I think in the long run there will be a whole Kidd left that is irreplacable.
Well, we saw that even though he is 32, he can still put up these kind of numbers 15 pts 16 assists and 7 rebs so Im sure there are teams who really want him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">I whole heartily disagree. Kenyon is the best defender on the team and a lot of the defense revolves around him, but I think Jason Kidd's not a bad defender himself, he still made the 2nd team last year.</div> There’s no question Kidd is a good defender, but he’s not getting any younger and is just getting more expensive. Also, Kidd is as good a defender at the point guard position as Martin is at the power forward position. With Camby getting injured so frequently, dealing Martin is a great insurance policy for the Nuggets’ frontcourt. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Andre Miller is just not the point gaurd right for the team. He looks for his shot too much. He passes only when he's sure to get the assist or he's doubled.</div> He looked for his shot last night because he was shooting well at 8-17 (47%), but normally Andre Miller is the definition of a pure point guard, and it shows in his 8.2 assists per game. Kidd is a better defender, but Andre is a sound defensive player, so there won’t be a significant upgrade on defense. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jason's made players like Shawn Marion and Richard Jefferson so good, just imagine him with a guy like Carmelo. It's just a good match. The team is young, will run with Kidd and there's just so much athleticism on that team.</div> Carmelo Anthony will only be as good as he wants to be. Shawn Marion and Richard Jefferson all have very good work ethics. I don’t know about Anthony, so I won’t comment on it. Anthony’s biggest flaws are his shot selection and his defense. I’m sure Miller has talked about that to him, as did coach Karl, so what can Kidd do that Miller and Anthony can’t do? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The trade will make us look good for abit, but I think in the long run there will be a whole Kidd left that is irreplacable.</div> I don’t think the Nuggets will accept that. Miller and Martin will give you more production than just one Jason Kidd. Let’s also not forget his knee, age, and contract are issues, too.
