Shaq says Buss Making Excuses for Siding with Kobe

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Miami Heat center Shaquille O'Neal thinks Los Angeles Lakers owner Jerry Buss is making excuses for taking Kobe Bryant's side when the players were feuding as teammates with the Lakers.

    O'Neal was responding to Buss' recent comments in the Los Angeles Times that trading O'Neal to Miami was the correct decision. O'Neal said Buss isn't an "honest businessman" because he won't state the real reasons behind the deal.

    "Everybody knows what that is really about," O'Neal told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "He had to make a choice, the young guy [Bryant] or the old guy. He made his choice, and good luck with his choice."

    Buss told the Times last week he would make the same decision "100 out of 100 times. To me, the risk-reward ratio wasn't there.

    "It was not only a question of whether the man was going to be in shape, but what were his true salary demands going to be."

    O'Neal responded in the Sun-Sentinel: "How many years was Phil there? And how many years we went to the Finals? ... And how many points did I average and how many times was I the MVP?"

    The Lakers went to the Finals four times in Jackson's five seasons coaching Bryant and O'Neal in Los Angeles, winning three titles. O'Neal was voted the Finals MVP in 2000, 2001 and 2002 after averaging 38, 33 and 36.3 points, respectively.

    "Obviously, do all the math and ... everybody knows what that [trade] is really about," O'Neal said.

    O'Neal also said Buss lied when he says he tried to contact O'Neal to explain his reasons for the trade. O'Neal said he has no desire to speak with Buss.

    Still, O'Neal told the Sun-Sentinel: "I don't take it personally. I haven't said nothing this year, but I am not going to let someone say something about me and then not come back."</div>

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    I'm so sick of the Shaq and Kobe drama, it wouldn't dissapoint me to see either go the rest of their careers without winning a title......they're both selfish imo.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm so sick of the Shaq and Kobe drama, it wouldn't dissapoint me to see either go the rest of their careers without winning a title......they're both selfish imo.</div>

    Don't worry you'll be reminded of it again on XMas. [​IMG]
     
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    LOL.......yeah I know....but it should be a pretty good matchup.
     
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    You know, Kobe is the only one who has let this go. Shaq seems to keep bringing it up over and over again. I remember in a interview Shaq literally denounced Kobe, says he doesn't acknowledge his existance. Now all the sudden he remembers who Kobe is. Shaq is acting like a big baby and needs to grow up.

    It's funny how this story comes out, after one of the best Laker runs in the past year in the half.
     
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    I agree he keeps trying to take small cheap shots at kobe every now and then. Obviously he cares since he wont shut up about it and let it go..
     
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    Shaq will never let it go because he has no class...neither does the Media always trying to spark controversy between the two....If you ask Kober he will never answer any questions about the whole scenerio with Shaq.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pablo23:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq will never let it go because he has no class...neither does the Media always trying to spark controversy between the two....If you ask Kober he will never answer any questions about the whole scenerio with Shaq.</div>

    Kober? Lol whether that's intentional or accidental that's funny. Anyway you're right. Kobe never talks because he is a smart cookie. He has book smarts and street smarts. Shaq might have book smarts, but he's a dumb oaf.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm so sick of the Shaq and Kobe drama, it wouldn't dissapoint me to see either go the rest of their careers without winning a title......they're both selfish imo</div>

    I don't see how their dealings with the media would make either of them selfish- the only time Kobe will even mention shaq is wishing him best of luck. Shaq on the other hand, takes a endless jabs at Kobe, Buss and the Lakers. Kobe made him into one of the best of all time, and was the only reason Shaq one three straight and yet he's completey ungreatful.

    Shaq's legacy and bank account are better off because of Kobe Bryant and the Lakers, yet Shaq can't even acknowledge his existence, except when he's insulting him.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Still, O'Neal told the Sun-Sentinel: "I don't take it personally. I haven't said nothing this year, but I am not going to let someone say something about me and then not come back."</div>

    You don't take it personally? Are you sure Snaq?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see how their dealings with the media would make either of them selfish- the only time Kobe will even mention shaq is wishing him best of luck. Shaq on the other hand, takes a endless jabs at Kobe, Buss and the Lakers. Kobe made him into one of the best of all time, and was the only reason Shaq one three straight and yet he's completey ungreatful.

    Shaq's legacy and bank account are better off because of Kobe Bryant and the Lakers, yet Shaq can't even acknowledge his existence, except when he's insulting him.</div>

    Kobe made Shaq into one of the best of all time? Are you serious?
     
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    ^^
    True that
    Theres a reason all the MVP awards went to Mr O'Neal. Shaq has NEVER been below .500 for a season any year during his 13 years in the NBA. Shaq knows how to win basketball games
     
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    Let shaq play with no other all star on his roster and see if he is as talented as everyone thinks he is. No one is great without a sidekick.

    Jordan-Pippen
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    Shaq just is with the right teams. Shaq does help teams win more games, but he'll never win a championship without another all-star helping him out. It works both ways.

    Kobe will never earn another ring unless someone steps up for the Lakers. We were hoping it would be Odom, but so far it doesnt seem to be the case.
     
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    Why can't Shaq let this go? It's over, it's done with. He's been away from this organization for the better part of 18 months now. Let it be. So sue the Lakers for making the smart choice. And plus, if Shaq wanted out so bad and wanted to go to the Heat, than why the hell does he keep complaining? He really needs to let this whole topic go and just play the damn game that he's paid to play.
     
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    What did Shaq win when he was in Orlando and didn't really have a true sidekick? What did Shaq win when he came to LA and he still didn't have a starting sidekick? What did he win when his sidekick started playing excess minutes? 3 rings is the answer. What did Shaq win when he went to Miami and had a sidekick in Dwayne Wade? Nothing is the answer. The bottom line is, Shaq won nothing until Kobe started playing minutes. He's in Miami right now and he hasn't won anything yet.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe made Shaq into one of the best of all time? Are you serious?</div>I think when you add championships to your resume it helps alot. If you dont think he did your obviously not very well informed about the NBA and its history...the fact is Shaq has not won anything without Kobe and didnt win anything before Kobe, so there accept the fact.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">What did Shaq win when he was in Orlando and didn't really have a true sidekick? What did Shaq win when he came to LA and he still didn't have a starting sidekick? What did he win when his sidekick started playing excess minutes? 3 rings is the answer. What did Shaq win when he went to Miami and had a sidekick in Dwayne Wade? Nothing is the answer. The bottom line is, Shaq won nothing until Kobe started playing minutes. He's in Miami right now and he hasn't won anything yet.</div>

    Shaq brought Orlando the Finals in his 3rd year. That's like LeBron getting the Cavs to the Finals this year. Bringing a team that drafted you as the Number one Overall pick in the draft is tough stuff. He got the Heat to the conference Finals in only one year of work. He brought LA 3 championships.

    Kobe couldn't even maintain a .500 record without Shaq. I think that says it all.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Diesel:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq brought Orlando the Finals in his 3rd year. That's like LeBron getting the Cavs to the Finals this year. Bringing a team that drafted you as the Number one Overall pick in the draft is tough stuff. He got the Heat to the conference Finals in only one year of work. He brought LA 3 championships.

    Kobe couldn't even maintain a .500 record without Shaq. I think that says it all</div>

    So exactly what was it that he won without Kobe as a starter? Exactly, the answer is NOTHING. I couldn't care less if Shaq made the finals 10 years in a row. Fact is he won NOTHING without Kobe. Are you sure it was just him that bought LA 3 titles? Last I checked, he was doing nothing in LA until Kobe became a starter. You do realise it took Shaq 4 years in LA to win something don't you? You do also realise that the year he won something, was Kobe's second year playing 30+ minutes and the first season Kobe averaged over 20ppg? Shaq done nothing until Kobe averaged 20ppg. If he didn't need Kobe, what was he doing for 3 years in LA without a sidekick?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The bottom line is, Shaq won nothing until Kobe started playing minutes. He's in Miami right now and he hasn't won anything yet. </div>

    Your contradicting yourself- on one hand, your trying to say it was Shaq that is the true winner and brought all the rings, on the other- your blatantly saying that Shaq needed Kobe to win the titles...

    You do realize that Shaq isn't winning another title right? His opportunity was last year, and whether it was his fault or not (it wasn't, he couldn't prevent wades injury) it's the truth. This year, even though the Heat have Pat Riley, they have an older shaq, not as much defense, and the Pistons standing in their way. The Pistons are the best team in basketball right now and are on such another level compared to the Heat. Even in close games, Pistons make EVERY single play down the stretch, I don't see that happening for the Heat.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Your contradicting yourself- on one hand, your trying to say it was Shaq that is the true winner and brought all the rings, on the other- your blatantly saying that Shaq needed Kobe to win the titles...
    You do realize that Shaq isn't winning another title right? His opportunity was last year, and whether it was his fault or not (it wasn't, he couldn't prevent wades injury) it's the truth. This year, even though the Heat have Pat Riley, they have an older shaq, not as much defense, and the Pistons standing in their way. The Pistons are the best team in basketball right now and are on such another level compared to the Heat. Even in close games, Pistons make EVERY single play down the stretch, I don't see that happening for the Heat.</div>

    Please elaborate on how I am contradicting myself? I didn't say anything about Shaq being a sole warrior in winning anything. In fact, I am saying Shaq needed Kobe to win everything. Please read my post before you post next time. DON'T read one line and start accusing me of contradicting myself.
     
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