<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">December 19, 2005 -- While the rumblings inside the organization have suggested all season the Knicks are no longer building around Stephon Marbury, team president Isiah Thomas finally went public with that fact over the weekend. Thomas said the Knicks have "three building blocks" and none of them is named Marbury. Thomas said the three untouchables are coach Larry Brown and his pair of 22-year-old big men, Eddy Curry and Channing Frye. "From there, you start moving to fill around those three pieces," Thomas said on WFAN. "When you have really good bigs, you find the guards to complement the bigs." Thomas said he expects Marbury to be on the roster after February's trading deadline, but warned things will change if the veteran guard and Brown do not connect. Thomas' remarks publicly confirmed a report by the Post's Peter Vecsey in November that the Knicks are willing to deal Marbury. And Thomas spoke before Marbury was outplayed by Brooklyn counterpart Jamaal Tinsley in the fourth quarter of Saturday night's 102-96 loss to the Pacers, climaxed by Marbury's game-losing turnover with 39 seconds left. </div> Source
I heard the interview on the FAN when Isiah said Brown, Curry, and Frye are the nucleus. I think many will think that because Marbury isn't the nucleus, he?s not an integral asset to the Knicks. Marbury is trying hard to do things Brown?s way and just as Iverson and Billups have struggled early on, so has Marbury. He?ll get it, though. Deep down I know he wants to win and Brown?s transformation isn?t an overnight process. You can see Marbury stepping up like against the Pacers yesterday. He?s trying his best to be a leader.
Perhaps Thomas is just trying to detract some of the criticism and spotlight off Marbury...perhaps he feels if he tries to say that the success of this team doenst totally depend upon steph, then maybe the harsh words of media and fans will be subdued...
ya, like purple fever said.. it jsut doensn't make sense how thomas picked eddie curry as a building block. thomas hasn't been doing good and still is doing stupid things..
Believe me, as a Knicks fan it makes me happy to hear Isiah say Larry and Channing are building blocks, even if he's probably wrong on Curry (he always seems to be 2 out of 3 when it comes to his moves, like the kvh trade or signing jerome james) I also think that david lee will be a star once he gets a jumpshot, he's got as much fire and desire as little nate but with a big guy frame.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Platehpus:</div><div class="quote_post">Believe me, as a Knicks fan it makes me happy to hear Isiah say Larry and Channing are building blocks, even if he's probably wrong on Curry (he always seems to be 2 out of 3 when it comes to his moves, like the kvh trade or signing jerome james) I also think that david lee will be a star once he gets a jumpshot, he's got as much fire and desire as little nate but with a big guy frame.</div> I'm sorry but I have to ask... what two good moves did he make that would make you say he's 2 out of 3 when it comes to his moves? He's more like 3 out of 12. The only good moves he's made are his draft picks. But about Marbury no longer being a building block, that was apparent the moment Larry Brown defected from the Pistons and came over to New York. I cant wait until Isiah trades him! Maybe then he'll be 4 out of 15. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
He got us Larry Brown, Tervor Ariza, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, and turned the team around from the dark ages of 2000-2003. Of course, most of those are scouting which is what Isiah should be, but you have to give him credit for at least restoring hope to the Garden.
Isiah has done nothing but trouble this team for the next decade. The cap situation is terrible, and I doubt it'll get any better. He's not only done that by bringing in huge contracts, but bad players as well. Dallas is well over the cap, but they're still a good team. Anything that comes out of his mouth should be neglected. The only moves he's made that has benifited the team for the present and the future were drafting Ariza and then Frye.
Larry Brown wasn't a good move? Come on I'm not even going to bother defending him but it's not like we have to chant Fire Thomas.
I like what Isiah has done in terms of bringing in young talent. Before he came, the came the only real young talent we had was Mike Sweetney and Frank Williams. Now most of our roster is filled with young talent. Playing under Brown, these young guys can learn from the best. Isiah has made some bad moves like dealing Van Horn and signing Jerome James, but at the same time some of his good moves have to be acknowledged like hiring Brown, and drafting the rookies. Speaking about the rookies, he was criticized for drafting Frye, but Frye is giving you 15 points and 6.5 rebounds per game. David Lee was seen as a wasted pick with all of our power forwards, but he's been great. Not many would believe he would be second in the NBA in rebounds per 48 minutes. Robinson has improved and is only going to get better. Ariza was no doubt a steal at #43, and no one would have guessed Jackie Butler would be getting minutes. Overall Isiah hasn't done as bad a job as many think; I think he's just a bit misjudged. Anyway, if he doesn't improve, you can expect for him be fired and for Larry Brown to be the President of this team. I know we all trust him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Platehpus:</div><div class="quote_post">Larry Brown wasn't a good move? Come on I'm not even going to bother defending him but it's not like we have to chant Fire Thomas.</div> It was a terrible move, Isiah had a team loaded with offensive minded finnese players, except Ariza and Davis...but Isiah picks a coach who at best coaches a 96 PPG ofense Don't expect the Knicks to average 95 points this season Way to go Isiah.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Platehpus:</div><div class="quote_post">He got us Larry Brown, Tervor Ariza, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, and turned the team around from the dark ages of 2000-2003. Of course, most of those are scouting which is what Isiah should be, but you have to give him credit for at least restoring hope to the Garden.</div> Isiah didnt get us Larry Brown. Larry Brown wanted to come over so he came over. Any jackass would have been able to get Larry Brown. Even Babcock would have been able to sign up Larry Brown if he was running the Knicks. Hope? What hope?? The atmosphere at the Garden is pretty bad. We have no picks, no cap space, no assets, basically no way to improve. This team so far is worse than any team that Layden ever assembled. If the Layden years were the dark ages then I guess were in the even darker ages. By the way the Knicks went to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2000. The team hasnt been in this kind of trouble in like two decades. The chances of us going on a Warrioresque playoff drought are pretty damn good. Isiah has maimed this franchise and must be stopped... Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
Isiah's relationship with Larry was key to getting him here. But it's pointless looking back. We have Larry and that's that. With that said I don't think Babcock would be able to land Brown at all. Tribute, we do have a 29th or so pick in the draft next year and two huge expiring contracts to work with around December. There defenitely is hope in the Garden. We have great, young talent and Larry Brown, so there definitely is hope - just not any time soon at this rate.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Isiah's relationship with Larry was key to getting him here. But it's pointless looking back. We have Larry and that's that. With that said I don't think Babcock would be able to land Brown at all. Tribute, we do have a 29th or so pick in the draft next year and two huge expiring contracts to work with around December. There defenitely is hope in the Garden. We have great, young talent and Larry Brown, so there definitely is hope - just not any time soon at this rate.</div> Isiah's relationship with Larry key to getting him here??? What are you talking about?? Did they even have a relationship??? Larry Brown has made it pretty clear that he always wanted to coach the Knicks, he was coming over no matter who was the GM. 29th pick in the draft? You'll have to excuse me if I dont leap for joy. I forgot about the expiring contracts. I wonder which overpaid and unwanted player Isiah is going to pick up this time. There's only so much Larry Brown can do and he cant win with the team Isiah has put together. Judging by the amount of booes in the Garden I dont think there's much hope at all. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Isiah's relationship with Larry key to getting him here??? What are you talking about?? Did they even have a relationship??? Larry Brown has made it pretty clear that he always wanted to coach the Knicks, he was coming over no matter who was the GM.</div> Yeah, they knew each other for 25 years. Brown said he felt more comfortable about the job because he could work with Isiah. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">29th pick in the draft? You'll have to excuse me if I dont leap for joy. I forgot about the expiring contracts.</div> Well, Isiah does have a knack for getting great players. I wasn't jumping for joy with our 43rd and 30th pick the last couple of years, but they turned out to be Trevor Ariza and David Lee. I'm sure Isiah will trade for some picks like last year if things aren't shaping up properly. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I wonder which overpaid and unwanted player Isiah is going to pick up this time.</div> Last year that overpaid and unwanted player was Baron Davis. We might strike it lucky with two expiring contracts. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There's only so much Larry Brown can do and he cant win with the team Isiah has put together.</div> Larry Brown is a great coach, but I honestly believe that our lack of success so far can be attributed to him. The lineup and rotations are so inconsistent. That's why the Knicks are inconsistent. Guys will start one game than get a DNP the next. How can you adjust to that? Even that Golden State game haunts me today when we could have won. So, while Isiah hasn't put a flawless roster on the floor, it's not totally his fault for all the losing - it's partly Brown's fault. Even he said "I have to do a better job coaching." <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Judging by the amount of booes in the Garden I dont think there's much hope at all.</div> The fans boo because they're unhappy. If this continues then Isiah will be fired. So I guess there is hope .
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Platehpus:</div><div class="quote_post">That is a TERRIBLE argument not worth of a reply.</div> Basically you have nothing else creative to say? Good, thats what I like.
