Warriors v. Celtics

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  1. philsmith75

    philsmith75 JBB JustBBall Member

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    1st Quarter, W's have only jacked up 3 3's!!! All right some real basketball hopefully.
     
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    whats it going to take for us to get some rebounds?
     
  3. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GSWfan:</div><div class="quote_post">whats it going to take for us to get some rebounds?</div>
    Don't play Zarko. Also, after every shot our 1, 2, and 3 are always sprinting down the court to try to make something in transition rather than trying to secure the board.
     
  4. philsmith75

    philsmith75 JBB JustBBall Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't play Zarko. Also, after every shot our 1, 2, and 3 are always sprinting down the court to try to make something in transition rather than trying to secure the board.</div>

    Yep, its all about hustle and court knowledge/awareness about where is the rebound going and who will likely get it. The Warriors sometimes are horrible about leaking out and not knowing that the rebound was going right to where they were.
     
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    60 pts to the Celts in the 1st half, that's dreadful. Oh well, at least the Warriors have the firepower to come back, I hope.
     
  6. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Warriors looked like they got screwed a little by the refs.
     
  7. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I can say without a doubt one of the problems with the Warriors is they need a real quality center and a small forward that specializes in something.

    But not only that, the Warriors need to stop standing around and do something inside. There's zero movement from the other guys off the ball. It's just isolations, jumper after jumper after jumper from the perimeter. C'mon. Get the ball inside. If Jrich doesn't make the all-star team it's because he's not doing what Ginobilli does. Take the ball inside, split defenders, get to the hoop.

    The warriors are not playing smart.
     
  8. Warriorfansnc93

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    What the hell is going on?
     
  9. Warriorsfan

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    What happened to the warriors??? sigh at first i thought ike diogu was really good, but turns out he is only good for 2 games =/ anyone know wen pietrus is coming back?? we desperately need him.
     
  10. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">What the hell is going on?</div>
    We had only 3 warriors show up tonight out of the 5 starters and the Warriors weren't playing very well in terms of ball movement. They ended up forcing a lot of contested stuff up in the air. Also they missed their free throws and didn't attack the lane. They also got outrebounded again and beat in transition once they missed a shot or turned the ball over.

    I hope we dump Foyle or Dunleavy soon. I know Dunleavy we probably can't, but I swear I'm sick of his inconsistent game. Dunleavy got 10 rebounds tonight which was good, but isn't that somebody else's job to clean the glass and keep people out of the lane? We really needed the points from Dun tonight and somebody who can drive the ball and initiate contact. Maybe some of that was because the refs were being really biased against the Warriors, but damn we could have used another guy who can get to the hoop and draw the foul. We could have used Pietrus if only he weren't injured.

    Also I swear Foyle is killing this team. He just doesn't do a very good job for this team in all the duties a center is supposed to have like deep positioning, inside presence, to score on putbacks, to be able to do the simple things and posess at least some important technical skills like setting good screens and scoring with the off hand. This guy is a backup center, not a starter. I hope we can improve this position as soon as possible.
     
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    This team has way too many issues.
     
  12. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BDiddyJRich:</div><div class="quote_post">This team has way too many issues.</div>
    Yeah no kidding. I guess we just have to be patient. But it's like our team needs more guys who set the tone. I think a lot of our starting 5 don't set the tone well enough in certain areas like rebounding, inside presence, scoring, ability to attack the lane and finish, defense. It's like the Warriors only really have 2 or 3 guys playing the game sometimes. And since Fisher's cooled off, it's really like 3 on 5 than 5 on 5. It's easier to play the game when you know only 3 guys you have to worry about and the rest of the other guys won't move to get open or do anything to help the person with the ball in his hands.

    I saw some problem swith individual players and their talents, but it's also because as a team they stopped playing organized. It was the team that just felt apart.
     
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    Foyle=garbage
    Dunleavy=joke. Has pulled the wool over my eyes for years and the kid still can't do anything consistently.
    Montgomery=Out of his element. The month of January is our toughest month, at this rate we will be out of the playoff picture.

    I've seen this before...
     
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    Let's not say the sky is falling just yet. The games against the Suns and the Pistons were understandable losses but getting blown out by the Nets and then losing to the Celtics is just not acceptable.

    If the Warriors want to be known as an up and coming team, then they have to win these games. Pure and simple.

    I only got to listen to parts of the game, 3 and 4th periods but there was way too much Fisher dribbling and shooting.

    I am not going to put it just on Fisher though. Mike D, yes my fav, plays the first half and goes what, 1 for 2? What is that? Unacceptable.

    JRich? Yes he got 20+ but that's not good enough, he's got to demand the ball and penetrate and play D.

    Remember the first 10-12 games of the year? The Warriors did not have the offensive firepower but they won because they played D. Where oh where is that D? Somebody find it. The Celtics got easy putbacks and easy 15 footers all night long. 1-4 is looking pretty likely now.
     
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    J-Rich not play D? You gotta look at how Paul Pierce performed tonight. We lost because we don't box out and rebound the damn ball. Our inside D is non existent at the moment, gotta reform quick or we'll end up being a lotto team again.
     
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    The month of January will be the toughest month for the W's all year. Playing our best basketball, we could be a game or two over .500 for the month. At this rate, we could be out of contention after that month.

    These are the main things I saw in the game:
    -We were consistenly terrible with our interior Defense
    -We had a good offensive structure in the 1st quarter until we had numerous easy shots inside which we missed almost every single one.
    -At that point Baron/JRich/Murph/Fish said fugg this we will get ourselves back into the game. They did but you can't keep playing 3 on 5 basketball expecting to win. Our runs died out and we lost the game.

    This team is falling apart at the hinges and changes need to be made, period.
     
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    One line says it all, ball movement.
     
  18. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Yeah that too. Ball movement is important, but we've got no plan to move the ball inside before we kick it back out. Plus, nobody dares pass it inside when our center and forwards aren't getting good position in deep. If Murphy's scoring was subplanted by Dunleavy, and Murphy and Foyle both were inside players getting deep inside position, I'd bet we'd be a different team. Our bench has been carrying us, it should be our starters, though. Doesn't anyone think that?

    We've got very few starters on this roster and that's why they can't set the tone.
     
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    I have to agree with Custodian. Its hard not to have a knee jerk reaction when the W's lose a few games in a row but I have always felt the roster needs changes. Other than the back court we have a bunch of back ups.

    Foyle would be a good back up center but is paid like a starter.
    Murphy plays like a small forward with a good outside shot but is too slow and must play power forward. I like Murphy and wished he was teamed up with a SF that played inside. He would have done well teamed with Jamison but can he be teamed with Ike?
    Dunn is playing like the 10th person off the bench but could move up to be a decent back up on a good team. His contract was based on how he played toward the end of last year. When Pietrus gets back I say bench Dunn so we can see what Air France can do as well as try and inflate Dunn's confidence and show him that he has to earn his contract.
    Fish is being paid a lot of money for a back up. While he has done well this year and won us several games, maybe we can unload his contact with someone else so he doesn't get old quickly and were stuck with him. His value right now is at its highest and someone who is making a championship run might be willing to take him on.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">
    This team is falling apart at the hinges and changes need to be made, period.</div>

    A bit premature to say that. This slump the W's are experiencing is expected. I'm glad it's happening sooner than later. Do you think changes in roster need to be made or changes in performance need to be made? I still think the current roster still haven't reached their potential yet, so why are we all of a sudden thinking the world is over? Every team but a select few hit road bumps in the long NBA season.
     

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