<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ganstaboo:</div><div class="quote_post">yea your right Kobe is the best and everybody needs to start realizing that!</div> lol, Ganstaboo everything is clear now that you pointed that out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">But you can agree that probably out of any team, possibly in history that he had the least to work with? Like I said by no means he got that far alone, but that's as close as you can get to being alone and getting to where he got. So in a way he did single handely take that team to the Finals alone.</div> I wouldn't really call Dikembe Mutombo(future hall of famer?) nothing to work with. Dikembe is on the all time rebounding list and he's third in all time blocks, just behind Kareem. In fact, his BPG is better than Kareem. The same goes for the coach Larry Brown, I wouldn't call him nothing to work with. Also, the 6th man of the year wasn't too bad.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't really call Dikembe Mutombo(future hall of famer?) nothing to work with. Dikembe is on the all time rebounding list and he's third in all time blocks, just behind Kareem. In fact, his BPG is better than Kareem. The same goes for the coach Larry Brown, I wouldn't call him nothing to work with. Also, the 6th man of the year wasn't too bad.</div> Like I said, I'm not necessarily calling him(Mutumbo) nothing to work with, but look at all the other teams and look at their options and compare them to 01 Sixers team. When you compare that Sixers team to other teams that made it to the Finals or won the Finals, the Sixers couldn't come close to them but somehow they made it to the promise land and that's due largely on one man's shoulder. You say they had a 6th man. This is a 6th man for crying out loud. Come on, let's be serious here, when was the last time a 6th man was the 2nd scoring option? Other teams that made it far and got to places had guys like Kobe and Shaq, Payton and Kemp, Stockton and Malone, Duncan and Robinson, Clyde and Hakeem, Jordan and Pippen and then you have a 5'11 young star with a defensive minded Center who was clearly at the end of his prime and your 2nd scoring option was a guy who came off the bench. That's where you have to give TONS of credit to AI. Now while Deke anchored the defense guys like Hill and Lynch was also solid on defense so it?s not like Deke was a one man show on that end of the floor. On offense AI was alone with the exception of McKie. Also while McKie was a heck of a player back then, it?s not like he was a 20 PPG guy, he was ?just? an efficient 14-15 PPG guy.
Most taleltned player of our generation is easily Allen Iverson. When people look back 10-20 years from now they will put him up there in the top 10 easy. Past and present players say he's the best for a reason. They should know I'll take their word for it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tlang1982:</div><div class="quote_post">Most taleltned player of our generation is easily Allen Iverson. When people look back 10-20 years from now they will put him up there in the top 10 easy. Past and present players say he's the best for a reason. They should know I'll take their word for it.</div> Various greats say different people are better. You get as many people saying KG is the best as you do with AI. The same goes for Shaq, Tim Duncan, T-Mac, Kobe etc..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tlang1982:</div><div class="quote_post">Most taleltned player of our generation is easily Allen Iverson.</div> If anyone was easily the most talented player this debate would have been a lot shorter. I think it's kind of crazy to measure talent, considering that basketball is a team game. If a player like to drive, and he has great three point shooters on his team, his driving ability will look better than it actually may be. The same thing goes for any type of talent in basketball. Bruce Bowen has shot blockers inside, so his perimeter defensive ability might be exaggerated a little bit. I would still have to say that KG is the best overall player in the game. No player in the history of the game has done it alone. Think of any championship team, you'll be able to name at least 3 players on that team. They all contribute. Garnett plays both sides of the floor with more intensity than any other player. The only thing that Kobe, Tmac, and AI have on him is shooting range and handles. Both of those things are overrated, and don't often prove useful. Imagine if basketball was still with way that Dr. Naismith invented it, KG's game would be unarguably the greatest.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">If anyone was easily the most talented player this debate would have been a lot shorter. I think it's kind of crazy to measure talent, considering that basketball is a team game. If a player like to drive, and he has great three point shooters on his team, his driving ability will look better than it actually may be. The same thing goes for any type of talent in basketball. Bruce Bowen has shot blockers inside, so his perimeter defensive ability might be exaggerated a little bit. I would still have to say that KG is the best overall player in the game. No player in the history of the game has done it alone. Think of any championship team, you'll be able to name at least 3 players on that team. They all contribute. Garnett plays both sides of the floor with more intensity than any other player. The only thing that Kobe, Tmac, and AI have on him is shooting range and handles. Both of those things are overrated, and don't often prove useful. Imagine if basketball was still with way that Dr. Naismith invented it, KG's game would be unarguably the greatest.</div> No, Tim Duncan's game would be the best right now if basketball was exactly the same as it was when it was invented. Basketball used to be all about the fundamentals and no flash or show, and that would would favor Tim Duncan. They call him the Big Fundamental for a reason.
I hate how if you're not fancy at all you're not considered fundamental. Magic was extremely flashy, and he was a very fundamentally sound player. Tim Duncan's name as the Big Fundamental is based more on him not being flashy than it is on him actually being superior fundamentally to other players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate how if you're not fancy at all you're not considered fundamental. Magic was extremely flashy, and he was a very fundamentally sound player. Tim Duncan's name as the Big Fundamental is based more on him not being flashy than it is on him actually being superior fundamentally to other players.</div> I still think he is the most fundamentally sound player in the NBA and I can't stand Duncan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate how if you're not fancy at all you're not considered fundamental. Tim Duncan's name as the Big Fundamental is based more on him not being flashy than it is on him actually being superior fundamentally to other players.</div> Two thumbs up. STD goes glass a lot, which is an old skill that is rarely used anymore. Thus people think he is fundamental. He shows no emotion, by comparison KG screams when he dunks. So people think that Duncan is fundamental. I would argue that JO is just as fundamental as Duncan, but because he's not comatose when he's on the court he doesn't get that label.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree Iverson carried the team offensively. However, on the other side of the ball his teammates carried him. These guys did the dirty work to get the rebounds and fight for second and third chance opportunities so AI could score more. Having a tough interior defense also allowed Iverson to gamble more on defense leading to steals and easy baskets in transition. I just think Brown coached this team with a perfect balance and put his players in positions where they would excel.</div> Lets see if Kobe can carry his team offensively to the playoffs, then we'll start talking Right now, Iverson has accomplished more. Kobe has to the pontetial to pass that.
No doubt about it! I will tell you why. Kobe can shoot, defend, dunk, steal, pass, dribble, and most importantly clutch. The only thing he missing is block shot, but whatever he's only 6'6" not 7'0". You can argue he shoot too much and doesn't pass enough. Well go ask Phil, does Phil want him to shoot or let his teammate shoot more than he is? You know the answer. Tmac and King Jame is about in the same level as Kobe, but each of them missing some major aspect in their game by far which separate Kobe from Tmac to Lebron, that is Tmac lack the defense and labron lack defense and clutch.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe4life:</div><div class="quote_post">No doubt about it! I will tell you why. Kobe can shoot, defend, dunk, steal, pass, dribble, and most importantly clutch. The only thing he missing is block shot, but whatever he's only 6'6" not 7'0". You can argue he shoot too much and doesn't pass enough. Well go ask Phil, does Phil want him to shoot or let his teammate shoot more than he is? You know the answer. Tmac and King Jame is about in the same level as Kobe, but each of them missing some major aspect in their game by far which separate Kobe from Tmac to Lebron, that is Tmac lack the defense and labron lack defense and clutch.</div> Tmac, in my opinion, is just as good a defensive player as Kobe. Obviously he's a true small forward and doesn't quite have the mobility and quickness of Kobe, but his length gives him other advantages (shot blocking, defensive rebounding, guarding power forwards). McGrady's defense in the playoffs last year was about as good as it gets, and he's been very good this year as well (when he's healthy).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Tmac, in my opinion, is just as good a defensive player as Kobe. Obviously he's a true small forward and doesn't quite have the mobility and quickness of Kobe, but his length gives him other advantages (shot blocking, defensive rebounding, guarding power forwards). McGrady's defense in the playoffs last year was about as good as it gets, and he's been very good this year as well (when he's healthy).</div> well, defensively Kobe's still better than TMac. TMac is a lot better these days but still not as good as Kobe defensively (esp. 1-on-1 D). Kobe has the quickness and footwork over TMac and TMac has the length and height advantage (he's - 6"10"). IMO, TMac <u>CAN</u> be a better defender (hell, i personally believe he can be the best player in the league) than Kobe, but he isn't.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Tmac, in my opinion, is just as good a defensive player as Kobe. Obviously he's a true small forward and doesn't quite have the mobility and quickness of Kobe, but his length gives him other advantages (shot blocking, defensive rebounding, guarding power forwards). McGrady's defense in the playoffs last year was about as good as it gets, and he's been very good this year as well (when he's healthy).</div> I would agree, but the difference is Kobe's "want." T-Mac can be just as good when he "wants" to be. With Kobe there is never any question about it. If you could measure Kobe's will versus TMacs it wouldn't even be close.
Iverson is the greatest player of our generation. He can do everything except block shots. He is clutch, he comes up massive in the huge games, he can steal, rebound, pass and defend. He can shoot from the outside or drive the lane like no other. He can create his own shot, or get a shot for a teammate. He is lightning quick and ultra competitive. He plays the game with more heart and soul than anyone else out there and refuses to give up. All this at 6 foot tall and a buck 75 soaking wet. Iverson is the most versatile and talented and inspiring player of this generation. But hey, thats just what I think.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting fatballer_10:</div><div class="quote_post">Iverson is the greatest player of our generation. He can do everything except block shots. He is clutch, he comes up massive in the huge games, he can steal, rebound, pass and defend. He can shoot from the outside or drive the lane like no other. He can create his own shot, or get a shot for a teammate. He is lightning quick and ultra competitive. He plays the game with more heart and soul than anyone else out there and refuses to give up. All this at 6 foot tall and a buck 75 soaking wet. Iverson is the most versatile and talented and inspiring player of this generation. But hey, thats just what I think.</div> This should be an easy choice, Kobe is the most talented player in our generation...he has probably the best work ethic of anyone in the NBA. No disrespect to Iverson he is a great player. But if you need somone to step up big in the Clutch.. its Kobe Bryant. You say Iverson is a good rebounder? I donno but 3 rebounds a game isnt that great in my book.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I would agree, but the difference is Kobe's "want." T-Mac can be just as good when he "wants" to be. With Kobe there is never any question about it. If you could measure Kobe's will versus TMacs it wouldn't even be close.</div> I'll give you that McGrady may not bring it every game, but I think the same can be said about Kobe. Both of them pick their spots, usually in nationally televised games or when playing against great players. I don't really know what you mean by "will". Both are competitive, but Kobe tends to where his competitiveness on his sleeve more. Sometimes, I think he must be practicing Jordan's mannerisms in a mirror before every game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe4life:</div><div class="quote_post">No doubt about it! I will tell you why. Kobe can shoot, defend, dunk, steal, pass, dribble, and most importantly clutch. The only thing he missing is block shot, but whatever he's only 6'6" not 7'0". You can argue he shoot too much and doesn't pass enough. Well go ask Phil, does Phil want him to shoot or let his teammate shoot more than he is? You know the answer. Tmac and King Jame is about in the same level as Kobe, but each of them missing some major aspect in their game by far which separate Kobe from Tmac to Lebron, that is Tmac lack the defense and labron lack defense and clutch.</div>I'm with you. Very nice words. Kobe is the best atm. He can do it all, and he's making so many big shots and big games at this season. And I believe that he's going to score some 50+pts games more.
