http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_22619632.shtml Apparently Michael Irvin thinks that Brett Favre should apologize to Javon Walker for enticing him to come to camp and honor his contract and for not calling out Ted Thompson and the Packers to take care of Walker. Erm... Yeah. Whatever.
Yea I read that in the paper. People need to know that there was a slim chance that Walker was going to get a new contract anyways. Either way Favre did go far with calling him out public but Walker did go to the media with Rome is Burning and such.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_22619632.shtml Apparently Michael Irvin thinks that Brett Favre should apologize to Javon Walker for enticing him to come to camp and honor his contract and for not calling out Ted Thompson and the Packers to take care of Walker. Erm... Yeah. Whatever.</div> Why would you even listen to Michael Irvin? I liked him to catch the ball. Beyond that, I didn't ever have much time for him or his opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Why would you even listen to Michael Irvin? I liked him to catch the ball. Beyond that, I didn't ever have much time for him or his opinion.</div> That's kind of my point when I say "Erm... Yeah. Whatever." The injury is unfortunate. It flat out sucks...for Walker and for the team. But Walker is his own man. He has an agent. He can make his own decisions. Irvin apparently thinks that Favre's challenge is the sole reason Walker came back. Yeah...like Favre flew down to Florida, kidnapped Walker and gunpoint and marched him into camp against his will. Asking Favre to apologize is just dumb... But I guess it makes good "gossip," so from a journalistic perspective, I understand why he said it. Regardless...truly lame.
Come on Michael! One of my favorite all time Recievers but uh alot of things he says shoulden't be umm...well listened to lol.
Michael is totally right, and i doubt anyone on team respects farve anymore. Besides, if anyone can work out a deal it is farve.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Michael is totally right, and i doubt anyone on team respects farve anymore. Besides, if anyone can work out a deal it is farve.</div> hahaha BF will u ever get over that
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Michael is totally right, and i doubt anyone on team respects farve anymore. Besides, if anyone can work out a deal it is farve.</div> .......
I thought that article was the most intelligent thing that I've ever heard out of Michael Irvin. Brett was wrong for sticking his nose in his teammate's business. Javon has been nothing but class about it. If one of my co-workers has something to say about the money I was making, I wouldn't be nearly as nice about it. It?s hard for him to believe it right now, but I promise you, he?ll come back better,? Favre said. ?He?s obviously young enough that age is not a factor. And his contract situation will take care of itself. I still think he?ll make a lot of money.? Is Brett Favre a doctor? How does he know that Javon is going to be okay? Is Brett Favre a general manager? How can he guarantee that Walker's contract situation will take care of itself? His remarks are a pile of crap. I love Brett as a QB, but he needs to learn to mind his own business. The biggest lie in all of football these days is that football players don't "honor their contract." How any intelligent football fan can use that phrase on a player with a clear conscience is beyond me. We all know that teams can terminate contracts at almost any time, but I never hear anyone blasting a team for not "honoring a contract." THAT IS HYPOCRISY no matter how you slice it. Did anyone blast the Packers when they didn't honor the contract they had signed with Antonio Freeman a couple of years ago? Brett Favre may not have brought Javon Walker into training camp at gunpoint, but we all know that when the 10 Million Dollar Icon speaks the fans fall in line, so Javon did lose a ton of leverage. The truth is that Brett Favre shouldn't be part of this story.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I thought that article was the most intelligent thing that I've ever heard out of Michael Irvin. Brett was wrong for sticking his nose in his teammate's business. Javon has been nothing but class about it. If one of my co-workers has something to say about the money I was making, I wouldn't be nearly as nice about it. It?s hard for him to believe it right now, but I promise you, he?ll come back better,? Favre said. ?He?s obviously young enough that age is not a factor. And his contract situation will take care of itself. I still think he?ll make a lot of money.? Is Brett Favre a doctor? How does he know that Javon is going to be okay? Is Brett Favre a general manager? How can he guarantee that Walker's contract situation will take care of itself? His remarks are a pile of crap. I love Brett as a QB, but he needs to learn to mind his own business. The biggest lie in all of football these days is that football players don't "honor their contract." How any intelligent football fan can use that phrase on a player with a clear conscience is beyond me. We all know that teams can terminate contracts at almost any time, but I never hear anyone blasting a team for not "honoring a contract." THAT IS HYPOCRISY no matter how you slice it. Did anyone blast the Packers when they didn't honor the contract they had signed with Antonio Freeman a couple of years ago? Brett Favre may not have brought Javon Walker into training camp at gunpoint, but we all know that when the 10 Million Dollar Icon speaks the fans fall in line, so Javon did lose a ton of leverage. The truth is that Brett Favre shouldn't be part of this story.</div> You know something. I look at what the Cardinals did with Anquan Boldin. Who miss majority of last season and he still got a new contract. I do think Walker is a classy guy who deserves the money. Maybe management is a little heisitent because of the Joe Johnsons,Cledius Hunts, and Antonio Freemans that ounce they get the raise they slack off or just plain loose the abilty to be a big play maker. Maybe Favre shouldn't of gone public with his statement. Maybe he could of handled it by phone or something but it was the media that approached Favre with the question. If he says no comment then I am sure the media will make up a drama like Favre is dissapointed in Javon. blah blah blah. Thats what they do. Javon did go public with this before the Favre thing. He was on Rome is Burning. I'm not a fan of guys going public with holdouts. Thats why I am not a fan of Mr. Rosenhaus. Hopefully Walker can get a new contract but Thompson is a Cheapy so he might not go for it with Ahman Green a free agent along with Mike Flanigan.
The fact of the matter is that the Packers weren't going to pony up any more money on Javon's contract. This isn't Brett's fault, this is a bad move by Drew Rosenhaus. If he is the super-duper agent he claims to be, he should have convinced them to work out a deal that would make his contract for more money, more years, and a more cap-friendly breakdown. Finally, Mike Irvin is a flippin' idiot, plain and simple. The only reason he is on T.V. is because he has a good agent that helps him support his coke habbit... What a stupid, ignorant, loud-mouthed go-tard. Mike Irvin should be doing a show about how to score an eight ball of the rock with three prostitutes and then getting it expunged from your record after the police catch you.... Now that's skillz!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I love Brett as a QB, but he needs to learn to mind his own business.</div> Agreed. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>The biggest lie in all of football these days is that football players don't "honor their contract." How any intelligent football fan can use that phrase on a player with a clear conscience is beyond me. We all know that teams can terminate contracts at almost any time, but I never hear anyone blasting a team for not "honoring a contract." THAT IS HYPOCRISY no matter how you slice it.</div> I don't necessarily agree with this DD, because I don't know what is in the contract. It could very well say that the team has the right to cut a player and act this way. I have no idea whether it does or it doesn't, but it does seem at least somewhat likely to me. In that case, there is no hypocritical behavior (other than common sense ) I would bet there is something to this. And welcome back gogo....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'> I love Brett as a QB, but he needs to learn to mind his own business.</div> Agreed. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>The biggest lie in all of football these days is that football players don't "honor their contract." How any intelligent football fan can use that phrase on a player with a clear conscience is beyond me. We all know that teams can terminate contracts at almost any time, but I never hear anyone blasting a team for not "honoring a contract." THAT IS HYPOCRISY no matter how you slice it.</div> I don't necessarily agree with this DD, because I don't know what is in the contract. It could very well say that the team has the right to cut a player and act this way. I have no idea whether it does or it doesn't, but it does seem at least somewhat likely to me. In that case, there is no hypocritical behavior (other than common sense ) I would bet there is something to this. And welcome back gogo....</div> Of course, teams can cut player at almost any time. One of the times that players are most frequently cut are when they have roster bonuses due. Now, don't misunderstand me. I don't usually criticise teams for cutting players before contracts are over, but I usually don't fault players for holding out either. (Unless they are being totally unreasonable like Terrell Owens.) However, if a team does cut a player with time remaining on a contract then that is not "honoring a contract." I hear people complaining all the time about players holding out while under contract, but I rarely hear anyone criticise a team for cutting a player to get out of honoring a contract. It's hypocrisy because people are holding football players to a different standard than the franchise. It's just getting on a nerve right now because I hear idiots, like Adam Schefter, demonizing players for not "honoring their contracts" when the little punk knows that contracts are a two way street.
I myself get very angry when players are cut with years/bonuses still in their contract, at first I was very upset to see Sharper go, but when he started runnin his mouth I felt a little better. I went on a fricken rampage when the cut Luchey and these are just this year alone!
There is a second aspect to walkers situation that most dont consider. He basically had to sign that contract or not play football for 1 year. So basically, becuase of draft structure, he got slotted into contract, with only so much negotiating room. He could say no and not play or take a long term deal the packers offered
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>There is a second aspect to walkers situation that most dont consider. He basically had to sign that contract or not play football for 1 year. So basically, becuase of draft structure, he got slotted into contract, with only so much negotiating room. He could say no and not play or take a long term deal the packers offered</div> Walker was never forced into that contract. In fact Green Bay never had problems with Walker his rookie season in signing a contract. My only problem was he went public with his hold out. Where as Hines Ward kept it under wraps and he got a new contract. I am not a fan of players going public with hold outs etc... Then again he was a Drew Rosenhaus client so he was probably advise to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>There is a second aspect to walkers situation that most dont consider. He basically had to sign that contract or not play football for 1 year. So basically, becuase of draft structure, he got slotted into contract, with only so much negotiating room. He could say no and not play or take a long term deal the packers offered</div> Walker was never forced into that contract. In fact Green Bay never had problems with Walker his rookie season in signing a contract. My only problem was he went public with his hold out. Where as Hines Ward kept it under wraps and he got a new contract. I am not a fan of players going public with hold outs etc... Then again he was a Drew Rosenhaus client so he was probably advise to.</div> He was not "forced" but he didnt have other options. He signed with green bay or went and bagged groceries for a year and reenter draft
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>There is a second aspect to walkers situation that most dont consider. He basically had to sign that contract or not play football for 1 year. So basically, becuase of draft structure, he got slotted into contract, with only so much negotiating room. He could say no and not play or take a long term deal the packers offered</div> Walker was never forced into that contract. In fact Green Bay never had problems with Walker his rookie season in signing a contract. My only problem was he went public with his hold out. Where as Hines Ward kept it under wraps and he got a new contract. I am not a fan of players going public with hold outs etc... Then again he was a Drew Rosenhaus client so he was probably advise to.</div> He was not "forced" but he didnt have other options. He signed with green bay or went and bagged groceries for a year and reenter draft</div> Now your using no logic here. What is Green Bay suppossed to give him big $$$ as a rookie. No!! He signed for what about Ashely Lelie got payed in Denver as a rookie. A little less because Lelie was taken a pick before Walker. Also when he did sign as a rookie he did get a 1.5 million dollar signing bonus with it. So it's not like he got nothing. In that case from what your saying. Every single NFL football players is "forced" in a way into signing a contract their rookie year. What else was he suppossed to do as the 20th pick. Hold out!! Green Bay or no one else had any idea that he would break out like he did last season.
[quote name='DolfanDale'][quote name='Cowboy71'][quote name='DolfanDale'] I love Brett as a QB, but he needs to learn to mind his own business. [/quote] Agreed. [quote name='DolfanDale']The biggest lie in all of football these days is that football players don't "honor their contract." How any intelligent football fan can use that phrase on a player with a clear conscience is beyond me. We all know that teams can terminate contracts at almost any time, but I never hear anyone blasting a team for not "honoring a contract." THAT IS HYPOCRISY no matter how you slice it. [/quote] I don't necessarily agree with this DD, because I don't know what is in the contract. It could very well say that the team has the right to cut a player and act this way. I have no idea whether it does or it doesn't, but it does seem at least somewhat likely to me. In that case, there is no hypocritical behavior (other than common sense ) I would bet there is something to this. And welcome back gogo....[/quote] Of course, teams can cut player at almost any time. One of the times that players are most frequently cut are when they have roster bonuses due. Now, don't misunderstand me. I don't usually criticise teams for cutting players before contracts are over, but I usually don't fault players for holding out either. (Unless they are being totally unreasonable like Terrell Owens.) However, if a team does cut a player with time remaining on a contract then that is not "honoring a contract." I hear people complaining all the time about players holding out while under contract, but I rarely hear anyone criticise a team for cutting a player to get out of honoring a contract. It's hypocrisy because people are holding football players to a different standard than the franchise. It's just getting on a nerve right now because I hear idiots, like Adam Schefter, demonizing players for not "honoring their contracts" when the little punk knows that contracts are a two way street.[/quote] I don't think the double-standard is fair. I'm just not convinced the the franchise is not honoring the contract. They agree to pay a player a certain amount, assuming they are on the roster. If they don't want to pay the player, they don't have him on the roster. Crappy? Yes. Breach of contract? I doubt it. I'm not even sure the players breach the contract really when they hold out. They hold out, and they normally get fined. I would assume that is in the contract. So, its a choice, not breaking the contract. In some cases, I suppose I blame the franchise. In others, I don't. Players who sign contracts with a balloon-type payment year in the final year know they are never going to get it. I don't think anyone is surprised in those cases.
