<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Chris Webber, an NBA All-Star again at 32? It must be at least a legitimate possibility. Going into tonight's game against the Utah Jazz in Salt Lake City, the 76ers forward is averaging an impressive 19.6 points, 10.2 rebounds, 3.4 assists and 1.41 steals in 40.2 minutes through 29 games. In the latest fan-balloting totals released by the NBA, he's No. 4 among forwards in the Eastern Conference. If Webber made it, it would be his sixth selection and first since 2002-03 when, as a member of the Sacramento Kings, he was unable to play for the Western Conference because of an injury. If he makes this February's game in Houston, it would almost certainly be via East coaches' voting for backups, because Cleveland's LeBron James and Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal appear to be locks as starters. But this would be no easy path. Candidates among Eastern forwards include Detroit's Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince, New Jersey's Richard Jefferson, Atlanta's Al Harrington and Toronto's Chris Bosh. It's not at all a stretch to include Webber. "Not to me," Sixers coach Maurice Cheeks said. "He's averaging 10-plus rebounds. There are a lot of names, but, certainly to me, Chris is one of them. The way he's played, when you think about All-Star [candidates], you've got to go to the statistics. His are up there with the rest of them." It probably wouldn't be a stretch to Atlanta coach Mike Woodson, either. "I think he's on a roll now. That's the Webb of old," Woodson said last week. "I think when guys get older in this league, they find their own niche. They find subtle ways of doing the same things. He's probably not as agile and as athletic as he used to be, but he's still getting it done." Webber and leading scorer Allen Iverson have formed one of the most potent duos in the league. He has played more minutes than anyone anticipated except perhaps him. He's playing in back-to-backs. He's playing well enough that Cheeks has sometimes been reluctant to take him out, even for brief stretches. But an All-Star again at 32, in his 13th season? "It's not even a question," said Webber, who generally does not enjoy talking about himself. "I don't know how that sounds. That's just real. That's [among] the goals I set. That's really what I expect of myself. I thought I was one last year, going into the All-Star break."</div> <div align="center">Source</div>
He should be an all-star. But with the fans voting, they will probably have Grant Hill in for him lol. AI should be starting, C-Webb should come off the bench, Iggy should be in the dunk contest (and win), and Korver in the 3 point shootout.
I'm confident AI will be starting... he has received the most votes of any East guard, if I'm not mistaken. Either way, it should be AI and Wade in the backcourt. Webber's only chance of making it to the All-Star team is to have the coaches vote for him, as the article says. There is no way he's passing up LeBron and whoever else is up there in terms of East forwards in the fan vote. Iggy should've been in the dunk contest last year, and he should be in there this year although I don't see the same aerial assualt he had last year. I think he shy's away from contact too much around the rim. He'll drive in, and then do a crazy lay-up instead of rising up and throwing it down. Either way, I think a Iggy v. Josh Smith dunk-off would be sick. Korver finished third in the shootout two years ago, second last year, so does that mean he'll win this year? I sure hope so...
<div align="center"> Jamison Season Stats 04-05 (up to all star game): 39.3 mpg, 21.2 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2.2 apg Chris Webber Season Stats 05-06: 40.2 mpg, 19.6 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.4 apg</div> Above you see Chris Webber’s statistics compared to one of the eastern conference all stars from last season, Antawn Jamison. As you see Chris Webber is averaging better numbers in three of the four major areas an all star is really considered in. Now you tell me should Chris Webber be an all star this season if he continues playing the way he is currently or not? Chris Webber is averaging his best rebounding numbers since 1998-99 season, in which he only played 42 games. Chris currently ranks top 20 in the league in efficiency, and top ten in rebounds per game (6th total rebounds). All star? I think so.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">As you see Chris Webber is averaging better numbers in three of the four major areas an all star is really considered in.</div> No man, mpg is not a stat that allstars are considered in, stop being silly and biased. Tim Duncan is notorious for playing 35mpg, but he's always a deserving allstar. What you need to think about is not whether Webber is deserving, but whether the 6ers are deserving of having two people make the team. Since you are comparing Webber to Jamison, I would be interested to see what the Wizards' record was at this point last year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> No man, mpg is not a stat that allstars are considered in, stop being silly and biased. </div> He didn't mention anything about MPG..how is he being biased?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">No man, mpg is not a stat that allstars are considered in, stop being silly and biased. Tim Duncan is notorious for playing 35mpg, but he's always a deserving allstar. </div> Alright, should not have been so general I knew someone would come out and say something like that. It’s just great that from that entire post that’s the only thing you drew from it. I called minutes a major category mistakenly that makes me bias.If I made it a point of emphases on why Webber was going to be an all star then I could see why you would mention it. However, right now you just seem to be digging at something that isn’t there. How about I say he beats Jamison in two out of the three major categories is that fair? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What you need to think about is not whether Webber is deserving, but whether the 6ers are deserving of having two people make the team. Since you are comparing Webber to Jamison, I would be interested to see what the Wizards' record was at this point last year.</div> The Atlantic division is the weakest of all the divisions it is not a long shot that the 76ers could very well be leading that division when the all star game rolls around which would then make them the third seed in the playoffs. Another factor you need to take into account is that if a player is having a career season after a couple of down years it often excels him into an all star birth, because of the feel good aspect to it as well. We won’t be able to judge how big a factor the 76ers record will have on his chances for at least another month as we see how the 76ers continue to play as the game draws near. So it really is a mute point right now. P.S: Wizards record last year before all star break 30-22, or eight games over .500.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CrazyArtest:</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Webber indeed wont be a All-Star, coaches wont pick him in the starting lineup.</div> Coaches don’t pick the starting lineup fans do. Care to elaborate on why you don’t feel a guy averaging twenty and ten won’t be a coaches selection?
C-Webb's playing very well, and I'm happy AI has a consistent partner now...whether he should be an AllStar depends...I dont think that coaches will pick him as a reserve but I do feel he's having a better season than Jamison at this point...
Allen Iverson and Chris Webber are both deserving of an all-star spot this year. Webber has rejuvenated his Sixer career (lol) and is playing pretty good defense for a 2 year old with bad knees. If the Sixers can be a few games above .500 by All-star break I see no reason Webber shouldn't get in. The East is weak in forwards. Jermaine O'Neal, LeBron James? That's it. No other forward off of the top of my head is more deserving than Chris Webber. The only thing that could stop him from winning is the Sixers sucess. Teams that have 2 or more all-stars are usually top tier teams. Sixers however are not. They seem to have the pieces to be a very solid team however.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">How about I say he beats Jamison in two out of the three major categories is that fair?</div> No it's not a fair argument, because Jamison emerged as an allstar last year. He didn't have a couple allstar seasons, fall off the radar, and then make a comeback. So there is a big difference. Also the Wizards were a Cinderella story last year. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Atlantic division is the weakest of all the divisions it is not a long shot that the 76ers could very well be leading that division when the all star game rolls around which would then make them the third seed in the playoffs. </div> Actually the Northwest division is weaker imo. Only one team above .500 and only one team (the division leader) in the playoffs. Sure the 76ers could be leading by the allstar break, but so could the Celtics, at least mathematically. Do you think that if the Celtics are leading by the break, that both Pierce and Ricky Davis would be deserving allstars? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Another factor you need to take into account is that if a player is having a career season after a couple of down years it often excels him into an all star birth</div> Chris Webber isn't a feel good story like Grant Hill, so don't even go there. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">P.S: Wizards record last year before all star break 30-22, or eight games over .500.</div> Okay, well the 76ers would have to go 15-7 for that to happen. Actually, we find out who the starters are before the break (obviously), so their record right AT the break won't really matter. Once again, Philly is not a Cinderealla story like the Wiz were last year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">No it's not a fair argument, because Jamison emerged as an allstar last year. He didn't have a couple allstar seasons, fall off the radar, and then make a comeback. So there is a big difference. Also the Wizards were a Cinderella story last year.</div> I wasn’t directing the fall off and return to all star form towards Jamison. If I have to put a name with it, I was directing it towards a guy like Grant Hill or even Big Z after he came back from all those foot injuries. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually the Northwest division is weaker imo. Only one team above .500 and only one team (the division leader) in the playoffs. Sure the 76ers could be leading by the allstar break, but so could the Celtics, at least mathematically. Do you think that if the Celtics are leading by the break, that both Pierce and Ricky Davis would be deserving allstars? </div> Only one team is over .500 in our conference as well. Even if the northwest was weaker it is in the western conference so it really does not play into the argument at all. We are debating whether Chris Webber should be an all star not whether the Atlantic is the weakest division. As far as your Celtics comparison goes. Ricky Davis is not averaging a double double like Webber is this season, and remember everyone saying Webber was over the hill last season, and calling him washed up. What does the NBA love more than a redemption story? Even if the fans don’t vote him in (probably won’t) I definitely feel he is a coaches selection. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Webber isn't a feel good story like Grant Hill, so don't even go there.</div> Chris Webber is not a feel good story like Grant Hill, according to you. However, Chris Webber is a feel good story to a certain extent. How many people said he was over the hill after the surgeries, and that his career was over after last season? Now this year he comes back, and is averaging 20 and 10 while averaging the best rebounding numbers, since the lock out season. Webber is a feel good story maybe not to the same extent as Grant Hill, but still one none the less. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, well the 76ers would have to go 15-7 for that to happen. Actually, we find out who the starters are before the break (obviously), so their record right AT the break won't really matter. Once again, Philly is not a Cinderealla story like the Wiz were last year.</div> I mentioned the Wizards record last year, because you asked me to add it to this debate. The 76ers may not be a Cinderella story, never aid they where, but if they are leading the Atlantic around the time we learn what the coaches selections are why would a 20-10 guy not be an all star? Tell me who makes it over him at the forward spot in the eastern conference. I can name two guys off the top of my head, maybe even three who where there last year that will not be returning this season. Your telling me that out of three spots available in the eastern conference all star team, Chris Webber, who currently ranks 18th in the league in efficiency will not be selected to fill one of those? In this thread a lot of people have said they don’t think he will be a coaches selection, or simple they don’t think he is an all star, but no one has mentioned several forwards in the eastern conference who are having a better season than Christopher Webber. Also your going by a precedent that has been set in recent years. Who is to say that if the 76ers are a couple of games above .500 they won’t have two all stars? The NBA likes to reward teams that are having surprise seasons or amazing seasons with multiple all stars, but no where in the NBA is it written that if you have a ___ record you are subject to a maximum of one all star. Your thinking to much about me using Jamison as an example and missing the overall point I am trying to make. To tell you the truth I could have picked several players to compare Webber to from last years all star team, but Jamison is just the first one I ran into. Each all star team has what 12-13 players, and repeating myself one more time. In the entire league Chris Webber is top 18 in efficiency, and is having the best season he has had in years. Name me four eastern conference forwards having a better season then him?
You gave a lot of silly arguments, but this is the part that I will respond to: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Name me four eastern conference forwards having a better season then him?</div> Lebron James Jermaine O'neal Paul Pierce Chris Bosh (who by the way, is higher in efficiency than your boy webber. It's a shame that you bringing up effienciency is now coming back to haunt you) Not to mention if one of the Pistons' forwards gets chosen because their record is so great.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">You gave a lot of silly arguments, but this is the part that I will respond to: Lebron James Jermaine O'neal Paul Pierce Chris Bosh (who by the way, is higher in effienciency than your boy webber. It's a shame that you bringing up effienciency is now coming back to haunt you) Not to mention if one of the Pistons' forwards gets chosen because their record is so great.</div> They where simple replies to your points. Chris Bosh is averaging more points, but less assists and less rebounds. Put that along side the Raptors struggles this season. He ranks a bit higher than Webber in efficiency, but 16 compared to 18 not a big difference, nice spelling of efficiency by the way. It is very debatable whether he is having a better season than Webber or not. Lebron and Pierce are both small forwards, and Jermaine O’Neal will probably start.
Bosh is averaging 2.6 more points. 0.7 less rebounds 0.7 less assists. Bosh is also shooting over 49% while Webber is shooting a guard-like 43%. I can't believe that you are actually arguing that Webber is having a better year. Webber has two AI's to take attention away from him. Who does Bosh have? A slumping Jalen Rose and an inconsistent Mike James (sure, and Charlie). Team record won't matter, Jamal Magloire made the allstar team didn't he? Stop being biased and realize the Chris Webber is done as an allstar, done as an MVP candidate, done as elite, and done with Tyra Banks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post"> Bosh is also shooting over 49% while Webber is shooting a guard-like 43%. I can't believe that you are actually arguing that Webber is having a better year. Webber has two AI's to take attention away from him. Who does Bosh have? A slumping Jalen Rose and an inconsistent Mike James (sure, and Charlie). </div> Your making another good point for me. Earlier you said the 76ers record was going to play a big part on whether Webber made it or not, but then you come out saying Bosh ahs a better chance than Webber when his team is currently one of the worst in the league? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Team record won't matter, Jamal Magloire made the allstar team didn't he?</div> Bam thanks you that destroys your own point about Webber.Also the year Jamaal made the all star team the front court in the eastern conference was very weak. Though he had a nice showing at the all star game it was still a weak year. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Stop being biased and realize the Chris Webber is done as an allstar, done as an MVP candidate, done as elite, and done with Tyra Banks.</div>You simple sound like a hater to me. I never said he was a m.v.p candidate. He is done with Tyra been done for a while sad to hear because I was hoping to see her at 76ers games. However, one thing Webber still is, is all star material. I don?t know if he will make it, but he has the statistics to make it. The double double average speaks for itself. Bias would be me saying ? Webber will start the all star game? or ? Webber is the best power forward in the eastern conference? me saying a guy averaging 20 and 10 will be an all star is not bias. The fact that he plays for my favorite team just makes me happier to defend his case. BTW: Since I?m bias Andre Iguodala for all star!
I still stand behind what I said, you are intentionally twisting my words. Team record DOES matter for the 76ers. They already have one guy guaranteed to make the team right? So when coaches are making their selections they might want to give the nod to a guy who is having a great year (Bosh), but would be the sole allstar on his team. When has a bad to mediocre team ever had two allstars? In recent years the Mavs, Lakers, Sonics, Spurs, and Heat have had two allstars, and they were all homecourt seeded teams in strong divisions. I don't care if the 76ers end up being top of the Atlantic and third seeded by the break. Like you said, it is a weak division. Team record DOESN'T matter for Bosh, for the reason that I said above. I started a thread about this in NBA basketball so that we can see what others think.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">I started a thread about this in NBA basketball so that we can see what others think.</div> I?m tired of debating lets just see what other things, and let that decide.
Best Kept Secret Jurassic I don't get why you keep mentoining Andre Igouddala as taking pressure off of Webber. He is nothing special offensively. He isn't taking any more pressure off of Webber than Mike James or Charlie V to Bosh. Mike James and Charlie V each take more pressure off of Bosh than Iggy could. The Sixers offense is pretty much Iverson, Webber, and inconsistantly Korver. That's it pretty much.
