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  1. MR BRYANT

    MR BRYANT JBB JustBBall Member

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    <font face=""Arial Black""></font>I'm not fancy with the cpu so your gonna have to copy and past....and you ain't gonna like it,if you was hoping for RonRon. By the look of the performance last night a second scorer is a must have.

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/wishtv_011106.mov

    If we don't get this done then Jim Buss has no competitive fire in his belly. Not just from a sporting stand point, but a buisness one also. The ticket sales for the Clips will widely overshadow the Lakers.Not only that but the backlash from the media if the clippers become the hot ticket and the lakers decline will be far greater than the backlash if Bynum(if traded to indiana) becomes a star,and we didnt keep him.
    You can always make an argument for trading potential for a star. Just think ...to have Kobe anad Ron on the same team and to still...still...still keep Lamar in that line up,on top of that to have a youthful Brown at the center position who may be at the stage as good as Bynum would be at this stage, then to have 2 second rd picks in the upcoming draft is like money in the bank. Not to mention the cap space of about 5-6million minimum in two years once whoever the Pacers trade over with Ron drops off books.
    <font color=""Red""><font face=""Franklin Gothic Medium"">Finally if Jim Buss plans on going after Lebron James, he has to know that the Cavs ain't gonna let him walk, there is gonna have to be a sign and trade. Dare I say <gulp> this puts them in a position to dangle Kobe as trade bait.</font></font>
     
  2. Pablo23

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    Sorry dude but could not link the page.
     
  3. Shapecity

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    Link doesn't work for me either, but the summary points out some bad scenarios for the Lakers. The last two games have shown how weak the Lakers really are on the inside. I don't think PJax can figure out either, based on his substitution patterns. I'm sure the coaching staff has a game plan coming into a game, but then early foul trouble destroys that plan and inconsistency makes it hard to have a plan B or plan C.

    The Lakers need to make a move to another big man. I'm down for trading Bynum for Artest, but only if it brings back one of their big men in return. I'd take Foster or Harrison so we have more options down low.

    I love the idea of making a run with Kobe-Artest-Odom, but I'm not confident in getting very far with Kwame or Mihm as the starting centers in the playoffs.

    I still think my idea of dealing with the Hawks is a better approach to take. The Pacers would be estatic to get Al Harrington for Artest straight up. So we need to give Atlanta what it needs to send Harrington to Indy, and land us Artest without giving up Odom or Bynum.

    Walton + Slava + Miami 2006 1st Round Pick + Two 2nd rounders
    Smush + Slava + Miami 2006 1st Round Pick + Two 2nd rounders
    Wafer + Slava + Miami 2006 1st Round Pick + Two 2nd rounders
    Cook + Slava + Miami 2006 1st Round Pick + Two 2nd rounders

    I think any of those 4 combinations would be enough to get Atlanta on board for a 3 way deal.

    They get a young, cheap player, an expiring contract, and 3 draft picks for a player who is likely going to leave this summer for nothing.

    As for Artest going to the Clippers, I just don't see him working out there and Dunleavy being able to handle him. This is the same coach who couldn't handle Rasheed Wallace and didn't play Jermaine O'neal for personal reasons. Artest said he wants to be more involved on offense, so unless he's coming off the bench and playing with the second unit, I don't see him getting many touches. For the Clippers the ball goes through Brand, then Mobley, or Cassell, so Artest would be the 3rd or 4th option on this team.
     
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    basically it's local indianna news saying clips are getting artest for maggette.
     
  5. Pablo23

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    Stop believing the news....they have been reporting that Artest is going to Denver, Golden State, Lakers, now the Clippers we just have to sit and wait. But I'm sure that the Lakers are trying to land the deal with Atlanta.
     
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    Sorry for the difficulty with the link, but it was a news report out of Indy that said that a deal of Maggette for Ron was on the table. The reporter also reported that Ron Artest was in Los Angeles today to meet with Clipper officials so that they could see where his head was at before the signed off on this deal.....
    Mitch should invite Ron and his agent to the game tonite;put in the best suite so that he can see what a difference he would have made tonight if he had a Laker uni on.
    Once again let me say that Ron is also a good pick for the future,giving us 2 possible trade commodites or maybe even three.

    I DONT THINK YOU PEOPLE IN LOS ANGELES ARE DOING ENOUGH BEGGING FOR THIS TRADE. I WOULD BE AT LAKER OFFICES OR UP ON A BILLBOARD OR HAVING A HUNGER STRIKE UNTIL I GOT SOMEONES ATTENTION
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Hawks forward Al Harrington was the owner of the league's best rumor prior to Wednesday night's game against Washington. Harrington said he heard from people in Indiana that the Pacers and Clippers were close to finalizing a deal swapping Ron Artest for Corey Maggette. That deal, were it to happen, would finally put to rest the rumors that Harrington will be a part of a trade that frees Artest from the Pacers and the Pacers from their volatile and restless star. "Yeah, that would get it out of the water and off the Internet and all that nonsense," Harrington said. "But I've known for a couple of weeks now that nothing was going to happen with me. [Hawks general manager Billy Knight] told me that if there was going to be anything done he'd let me know. So it's been off of my mind for a while now." Harrington said he'll be happy for Artest, whenever he finally returns to the floor. And he's convinced that whatever team Artest suits up for will be dangerous. "Any team with a sane Ron Artest is going to be tough to deal with," Harrington said. "Any team he's on with his mind right, is going to the playoffs and is going to make some noise. So it'll be good for Ron and for the Clippers." </div>

    Al Harrington predicts Artest will be a Clipper

    This Ron Artest situation is exposing a rift in the ideology of the team. At one end you have PJax who wants to win now, even at the expense of the future. At the other end you have Jimmy Buss who doesn't want to give away any of the building pieces for the 2007 plan.

    Mr Bryant, what are your feelings toward improving our frontline though? Let's say we end up dealing Bynum and Devean for Artest. Even though Artest is a great defender, he also benefits from having a strong line of defense behind him in Indiana. Players he guards are a lot more intimidated by Jermaine O'neal than Chris Mihm, Lamar Odom, or Kwame Brown.
     
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    Well if you wanna be fo'real about it Shape; Jermaine O'neal is not that out standing of a defensive player. His(J.O.)defensive stops benifits from guards throwing up last second or awkward shots,maybe he intimadates with his size.
    These are all thing that Kwame Brown, and Ronny Turiaf, and if worse comes to worse Marcus Douthit can provide.
    I think the thing that is overlooked here is Kwames improvement,and the ability to improve offensivly as he becomes a longstanding teammate.
    In the long run (next yr) it will show that picking up Kwame was an exceleent move. He is gonna have to get used to banging with the elites in the west, but by next yr he will defenitly be a force defensively at the PF.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR BRYANT:</div><div class="quote_post">Well if you wanna be fo'real about it Shape; Jermaine O'neal is not that out standing of a defensive player. His(J.O.)defensive stops benifits from guards throwing up last second or awkward shots,maybe he intimadates with his size.
    These are all thing that Kwame Brown, and Ronny Turiaf, and if worse comes to worse Marcus Douthit can provide.
    I think the thing that is overlooked here is Kwames improvement,and the ability to improve offensivly as he becomes a longstanding teammate.
    In the long run (next yr) it will show that picking up Kwame was an exceleent move. He is gonna have to get used to banging with the elites in the west, but by next yr he will defenitly be a force defensively at the PF.</div>

    Still Jermaine's shot blocking ability does effect a person driving to the rack. He's no Ben Wallace, but he has a presence down low, which is something I can't consistently say about either Mihm or Brown.

    I agree with you on your take on Kwame. His position defense is outstanding and he's improving overall on the defensive side of the ball. However, one thing he's not is a shotblocker and I don't think he'll ever be one he learns to fully utilize his wingspan. If he learns how to use all 7 feet he'll be nasty on both ends of the court. Right now he's playing like his reach is only 6'4.

    If we end up landing Artest, and give up Bynum (a legit shot blocker), the Lakers have to have something lined up to bring a shot blocker in. Brendan Haywood is rapidly falling out of favor in Washington, and just went off on Eddie Jordan. I'd love to bring him into Los Angeles to anchor that middle for the team. Or maybe bite the cap hit and trade for Theo Ratliff, and push the 2007 plan back a year into 2008.

    PG - Smush
    SG - Kobe
    SF - Artest
    PF - Odom
    C - Haywood or Ratliff

    That lineup can contend for the WCF and give the Spurs are run for a chance at the Finals.
     
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    trade says
    maggette for artest
     
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    According to some members at LG, a radio station in Indiana reported the deal is done, pending both players passing their physicals.

    The deal was Ron Artest for Corey Maggette.
     
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    this is crazy
     
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    wow artest a clipper? he just wont look right in that uniform but what di I know. If the deal goes thru the clippers are gonna be dangerous. thast one hard working hard nosed starting lineup.
     
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    The Lakers could still beat the Clippers.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pablo23:</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers could still beat the Clippers.</div>

    whats the purpase of that comment. and u dont know if lakers could beat that clipper team because it doesnt exist yet. Geese!
     
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    Dude no one is reporting the trade with Pacers to the Clippers.....its bs.
     
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    Where is the trade report souce?????
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pablo23:</div><div class="quote_post">Where is the trade report souce?????</div>
    Both players have to pass their physicals before the deal is "official." Until then there won't be any sites like BSPN, etc. reporting it.
     
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    Cheryl Miller just reported on "TNT" that the deal fell through because (just like shape city said) , Maggette did not pass his Physical.
    Also Artest is at the game, on a side note Ron had some cigars in his pocket(hmmmmm?)
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR BRYANT:</div><div class="quote_post">Cheryl Miller just reported on "TNT" that the deal fell through because (just like shape city said) , Maggette did not pass his Physical.
    Also Artest is at the game, on a side note Ron had some cigars in his pocket(hmmmmm?)</div>

    Hmm is right. I hope he pays a visit upstairs.
     

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