The Value of Kobe Bryant

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  1. durvasa

    durvasa JBB Rockets Fan

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You might think this is a common effect for a team with its superstar off the floor, but the Bryant-less Lakers take this to an extreme. Bryant's presence has been worth 22.0 points per 100 possessions to the Lakers offense this season, far and away the biggest difference made on offense by any NBA player:</div>

    It would probably help to post that too, not just where it states that he takes so many shots. Don't just post the negatives, because it will just turn this tread into an argument of whether Kobe hogs the ball too much.
     
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    No one cares about Kobe haters, hes is the best 2 gaurd in the league. He could do whatever.... people will still try to find something negative and ignore his talent. This is a useless thread,its just trying to take a cheap shot at Kobe.
    I like how somone would take the time and effort to try to bash one player...
     
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    Well it's not like Kobe misses most of his shots.
    More he takes, more he makes.
    Besides, Lakers team is all Kobe's now. Noone else to really depend on other than Kobe.
     
  5. Mel JBB

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    You guys might wanna read the whole article first.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Remarkably, every single player has improved his Offensive Rating, if only by a little in a couple of cases. However, Parker and his backup, Sasha Vujacic, have seen their efficiency cut into by about a quarter when Bryant leaves the court.

    George is a particularly interesting case that illustrates why field-goal percentage is not sufficient to address this issue. While George's field-goal percentage has basically been the same with and without Bryant, his Offensive Rating drops dramatically without Bryant. George hits twice as many 3s per field goal with Bryant on the court, and turns the ball over far, far less. He has just eight turnovers in 433 minutes when teamed with Bryant, 13 in 236 by himself. </div>

    Great read.
     
  6. Fiyah

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    Great article that statistically breaks down what I have believed to be the case for awhile - Kobe Bryant not only makes his teammates better, but he does it maybe better than most of the other players in the NBA.
     
  7. durvasa

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    Edit:

    I copied the link from a blog and thought the article would please Laker fans. And then I copied the first paragraph of the snippet that happened to be shown on the blog assuming it was the first paragraph of the actual article. My bad.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Uh, I just copied and pasted the first paragraph. It's not like I specifically looked for a part where it's negative.</div>
    Riiiiighttttt!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. Bahir

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting xclutchx:</div><div class="quote_post">Riiiiighttttt!!!!!!!!!</div>

    Be greatful that he posted the article instead. Some of you guys seem to treat every outsider as an enemy.
     
  10. matrixv

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    Nah its ok when people post the whole articles, but just dont post a section thats negative towards player, or at least not on the teams thread and expect no response. Its all good though w/e
     
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    i actually did read the whole article before posting. I really couldn't care less if Kobe makes his teammates that much better or not, as long as we are winning games. Kobe's getting his job done and other players have been stepping up, resulting to the W's. Since our poor 6-9 start we've gone 15-8, with two defeats Kobe was suspended for. Like I said, winning is what matters to me right now, not whether Kobe makes others better or not.
     
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    good find durvasa ...
     
  13. Shapecity

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    Great find Durvasa, I'm a big fan of the statistical studies done on the NBA. Of course stats are not 100% correct, but it gives you a great place to start. These stats prove what most Laker fans have seen this season. Once Kobe is off the court the offense really struggles. Granted, Kobe plays heavy minutes, but his teammates really depend on him to draw the attention of the defense. It's a lot easier to score when you have one defender to beat, instead of the defense keying in on the player with the ball.

    It also shows the Lakers need to find a better balance on the floor. Kobe Bryant is having an MVP type season, but the next progression of this team is having some of these role players put up consistent numbers. The averages are deceiving on this team, and if you look at the median instead, it explains why the Lakers are still inconsistent and not an elite team yet.

    Lamar Odom is the perfect case study for this. The Lakers need the Triple Double Odom to show up every game, and not every other game. If you look at his game log for the month of January you'll see how a lot of inconsistency.

    v. MIA 19 Points | 9 Assists | 10 Rebounds
    v. GSW 2 Points | 3 Assists | 6 Rebounds
    v. CLE 20 Points | 9 Assists | 10 Rebounds
    v. POR 15 Points | 5 Assists | 6 Rebounds
    v. IND 17 Points | 3 Assists | 12 Rebounds
    v. LAC 9 Points | 4 Assists | 10 Rebounds
    v. PHI 8 Points | 12 Assists | 7 Rebounds

    Good
    Bad
    Good
    Average
    Good
    Average
    Average

    The Lakers need Odom to account for 35 points of offense through scoring or with assists. When he can produce that type of impact the Lakers win at a high percentage and don't depend on Kobe to bail them out.
     

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