<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Johnnybrasco:</div><div class="quote_post">If any of you actually saw the game you would have seen that Bynum intiated the contact with a shove to o'neal after his dunk. so if anyone should be suspended it should be bynum. and shape come on your playing it out of context. Here's the full version: http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?cont...true&siteid=rss Notice the shove Bynum gives shaq, the thing that started it all. Really if some punk kid just bumped up onto any of you how would you all react?</div> You think Bynum should be suspended? he bumped Shaq trying to get position in the paint, and Shaq blatantly gave him a shot to the neck. <font color="red">Watch the name-calling. -K8B</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe elbows Mike miller after Mike hits Kobe.... Shaq elbows Andrew Bynum after Bynum hits Shaq... Kobe gets suspended for 2 games... Shaq gets nothing? I'm actually confident that the NBA will do something about it....Miami doesn't play till friday so the league is just taking their time</div> But here is the difference between these two altercations…: Kobe/Miller 1. Mike Miller accidentally got Kobe. It was NOT intentional. 2. Kobe INTENTIONALLY hit Mike Miller. He got him right on the dot. That was Kobe main objective. What made matters even worse is how he bragged about it after the game saying that he did do it on purpose. The NBA is all about image and how would that look if Kobe a player that is idolized by millions saying that he hit another player on purpose. It’s already bad enough that the NBA has one of the worst sport brawls in history under its name and to have another player admitting to another act of violence is not very smart. -- Shaq/Bynum Bynum forearmed Shaq first. So Shaq just retaliated. What Bynum did to Shaq wasn't really nothing compared to what Shaq did to Bynum, but the fact remains that Bynum probed Shaq to do it. If anything Shaq should just get a hefty fine. That's all. He doesn't deserve a suspension. It's not like he got the guy point blank and knocked him on the floor and potentially injuring him and then bragged about it. The way I see it there is a big difference to Shaq altercation and Kobe's altercation with Miller. The fact that Kobe bragged about it and got the guy right on the dot is what ultimately separates his altercation with most of the other similar occurrences we see in the league.
No matter what triggers one off, Shaq's act is just as bad as Kobes. What he says after isn't the big difference here. You get punished for the act on court.
Kobe Bryant was not suspended for what he said. It didn't help his cause, but he was suspended for his actions on the court. If the NBA allows Shaq to get away with this just because he downplayed afterwards, what message does this send? You can crack someone in their face and then just apologize afterward without any penalty? This game was nationally televised and the replay has been played to death. There's a written rule in the league hand book saying any blow above the shoulder area warrants an AUTOMATIC two game suspension. Kobe Bryant deserved his suspension for violating this rule and so does Shaq. How can anyone even debate Shaq doesn't deserve a suspension? If Shaq gets away with this, it will have been the second time the league has turned the other way with teams fouling Laker players hard. Josh Howard was the first for clothes lining Kobe Bryant, and now Shaq throwing an elbow into the face of an 18 year old.
I wish somone in the media would bring it up.. but so far I havent heard anything about it. O welll!!!!!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting xclutchx:</div><div class="quote_post">You think Bynum should be suspended? he bumped Shaq trying to get position in the paint, and Shaq blatantly gave him a shot to the neck. <font color="red">Watch the name-calling. -K8B</font></div> That wasn't in the paint when bynum bumped shaq that was running up the floor and bynum just knocks him. Shaq was not ejected because it was ruled that he acted in rataliation. Laker fans are just starting to come off as bitter right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Johnnybrasco:</div><div class="quote_post">That wasn't in the paint when bynum bumped shaq that was running up the floor and bynum just knocks him. Shaq was not ejected because it was ruled that he acted in rataliation. Laker fans are just starting to come off as bitter right now.</div> Bitter? No. The problem I have is the inconsistency of the league in policing their rules. This is one of many inconsistencies with the NBA. Another one is the lack of fines for players who have demanded trades this season. The only player to be fined has been Ron Artest. The league is singling out players and creating double standards.
To be honset, I couldn't care less what happened to Shaq. In fact, I would prefer if they don't do anything to him and allow minor incidents like that to happen. The game is more intense that way. Shaq wasn't trying to knock Bynum out, so I don't really see the problem.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If Shaq gets away with this, it will have been the second time the league has turned the other way with teams fouling Laker players hard. Josh Howard was the first for clothes lining Kobe Bryant, and now Shaq throwing an elbow into the face of an 18 year old.</div> I see where your coming from Shape. But go back and take a look at the Kobe shot on Miller and the Howard shot on Kobe. Kobe deserved to be suspended and so did Howard which I see why you're upset about that. When you look at those replays it was clear that their main objective was to HURT the other guy. Those were clear flagrant fouls. Shaq and Bynum just got into a little shoving match well more like aggressive shoving match. It was in the heat(no pun intended) of the momentand the crowd got into it. I gurantee you if one of the teams called a timeout Shaq would have never done that, he would just try to play aggresively with Bynum but in the other two mishaps dealing with Kobe/Howard you could have called timeouts, went itno halftime and all and Kobe would have still wanted to knock Miller on his ass and Howard would still wanted to knock Kobe down. That's the difference. After all Bynum started it by elbowing Shaq and probed Shaq to doing what he did. But Shaq shouldn't have retaliated but the fact remains that he didn't hurt the guy nor did he want to. Look at that replay, Shaq could have cleary knock the guy out and lay him flat on his ass with that forearms. But he just "merley" pushed him off with his forearm aggressively, that's all. Again, this is nothing compared to what Kobe and Howard did.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Josh Howard was the first for clothes lining Kobe Bryant, and now Shaq throwing an elbow into the face of an 18 year old.</div> His age shouldn't be important, although the league might consider it because they don't want young players receiving that bad messages from vets. I'm know I'm going to get torn apart for this, but have any of you considered the position that Shaq plays in comparison to Kobe? Big men bang the whole game, for guards it is completely different. You can't even hand check a guard on the perimeter anymore without a touch foul being called (unless Pop is your coach). In the legal system, criminals who do things that are premeditated often get harsher punishments than people who lose their cool and act in the heat of the moment. Kobe got his eye busted, and went back to the locker room. He should have had plenty of time to cool down, but instead he thought it out and came back and retaliated. Shaq's act took place over a span of 5 seconds, he acted in the heat of the moment. Also consider that just maybe the Heat are slowly moving up to the same status as the Spurs and Pistons, at least in the eyes of the refs. Pat Riley commands a lot more respect and explanation from refs than SVG did. None of these things should matter, but they do in the eyes of the league.
Or maybe the fact the Heat play the Spurs on national TV on Friday has something to do with it? The last thing the league wants to do is hurt it's pressure ratings.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">But here is the difference between these two altercations?: Kobe/Miller 1. Mike Miller accidentally got Kobe. It was NOT intentional. 2. Kobe INTENTIONALLY hit Mike Miller. He got him right on the dot. That was Kobe main objective. What made matters even worse is how he bragged about it after the game saying that he did do it on purpose. The NBA is all about image and how would that look if Kobe a player that is idolized by millions saying that he hit another player on purpose. It?s already bad enough that the NBA has one of the worst sport brawls in history under its name and to have another player admitting to another act of violence is not very smart. -- Shaq/Bynum Bynum forearmed Shaq first. So Shaq just retaliated. What Bynum did to Shaq wasn't really nothing compared to what Shaq did to Bynum, but the fact remains that Bynum probed Shaq to do it. If anything Shaq should just get a hefty fine. That's all. He doesn't deserve a suspension. It's not like he got the guy point blank and knocked him on the floor and potentially injuring him and then bragged about it. The way I see it there is a big difference to Shaq altercation and Kobe's altercation with Miller. The fact that Kobe bragged about it and got the guy right on the dot is what ultimately separates his altercation with most of the other similar occurrences we see in the league.</div> Great post right here, I agree completely. I find it funny how the video in the first post is only showing Shaqs contact, not Bynum initiateing it. Clearly a Laker fan made that clip. Also why is this in the Laker forum? As far as I know Shaq isn't a Laker anymore and he is the main focus of this thread right?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Diesel:</div><div class="quote_post">Great post right here, I agree completely. I find it funny how the video in the first post is only showing Shaqs contact, not Bynum initiateing it. Clearly a Laker fan made that clip. Also why is this in the Laker forum? As far as I know Shaq isn't a Laker anymore and he is the main focus of this thread right?</div> I have 3 points to make: 1). The game happened AGAINST the Lakers with the incident 2). Kobe was suspended for something similar, so we are wondering why Shaq is treated differently Edited out personal attacks -- Shapecity.
This incident just adds to my hatred for shaq. Yes he should have gotten suspended but I dont really care if he didnt. The Lakers got the win and nobody was seriously injured. It may be BS.....but knowing you got one over a good team is all I need to be satisfied.
Wow, before today I could really care less about this topic. Now Baron gets suspended a game for jabbing (I wouldnt even call it that) Luke Ridnour in the chest. Now, I do see why Laker fans are complaining, its not a Kobe-Shaq thing, its just that Shaq (and some others) are treated ALOT better than the rest of the league. This is absolute BS, if anyone can find a video of Baron "hitting" Ridnour please post it. Its nowhere near the level of Shaq or even Bynum's hit, I don't think it even knocked Ridnour (the 80 lb. man) off balance.
All right, before I start my post let me make it clear I am a Shaq fan as well as a Kobe fan. However, with that said even I feel the league hold a double standard, and does not want to hurt itself by suspending Shaq before a nationally televised game. They had no trouble suspending Kobe for two games after the Mike Miller episode, but would they have done the same if the next two games had been a back to back against the Heat and not the Jazz? Doubt it. The league had no trouble suspending Baron Davis for a game; because of a foul they felt was inappropriate. I love Shaq, but his actions where way out of line, and he should not be held at a hire standard simple, because the league wants to make money. It has been the same thing with players that have demanded trades, Artest gets fined, however, no one else does? If the player builds up a certain amount of respect over time the league goes more lenient on him then they would a young player, or not so big name that would be going through the same problem. They also do the same when it involves making money for them. I think Stern needs to seriously look himself in the mirror, and be honest with himself.
Damn bro. That was really cheap. Didnt get to watch this game. I'd suspend him for more just because he's bullyin the freshman
Every player in the league should learn from this lesson. Make sure to plan your elbows according to the league schedule. If you have a nationally televised game coming up, let them fly. If you don't hold back and wait. If you have a game coming up against a superstar the league is heavily marketing (LeBron James), make sure not to throw elbows the game before (ala Baron Davis.)
Refereeing in general has become increasing inconsistant. I heard someone say they think it's like the WWF (or whatever pro wrestling is called now) where the refs make calls in order to make the match/game more exciting. I'm not sure I agree with that, but sometimes you have to wonder. Stars definitely get different treatment, that's for sure. Earlier in the season Kobe got in a minor tussle with Raja Bell, giving him a bloody lip and a hard shove. As I recall all he got was a foul, maybe a T on top of that. But nothing beyond that, which I thought was a little weird. It should have warranted at least a fine or ejection. Then in a game against the spurs, manu ginobili got practically beat up on several plays. Elbows to the head and the like, but nothing came of that either. It is a tough situation for the refs though, they either let the game get *too* physical or they call every ticky-tack foul which completely ruins the fun of the game. In any case though, that looks like an awfully flagrant foul on Shaq's part, and considering it was to the head/neck, he should be suspended for at least a game or two. Maybe drop a fine on the other guy for "provoking it", even if he didn't really, just to send the message to other players who try to provoke their opponents.
