Hayes has always been an over achiever. What he lacks in height, he more than makes up with his Basketball IQ, positioning, and hustle. He's the definition of a gamer, and is always in the right place at the right time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">This kid just amazes me i read that he was 6'5" and he plays pf wow. and umm does he jump real high or real strong or how does he rebound with the big guyz</div> He does it by doing this- He uses his muscle to establish position and push the other big guys back away from the basket so they can't leap over him and just grab it. Plus, he uses fundamentals and timing to know when to jump up and snatch the rebound. Obviously, he can't jump real high or is athletic- just take a look at those fat legs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">This kid just amazes me i read that he was 6'5" and he plays pf wow. and umm does he jump real high or real strong or how does he rebound with the big guyz</div> There's some Charles Barkley in him, for sure. I think he must have a very strong base, but he also seems to have very quick feet and (most important) great hands. Like JVG said, if he can get a finger on the ball, he almost never fumbles it away. Look at how he traps guys on the perimeter, and still is able to run back to the lane on defense. Or how he's able to contest a shot, and then turn around and grab the defensive board. He's been awesome.
Through five games, Chuck Hayes has been great. Clearly, he brings many intangibles to the game with his great team defense, ability to communicate, his movement without the ball, etc. that don't show up on the stat sheet. But statistically, he's been great as well. http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2006/jh_Rockets.htm Through five games, he has a 20.6 PER which is extremely good. That would put him between Jermaine (21.5) and Kirilenko (20.6). His rebound rate of 20.7 would put him second in the league, behind Dwight Howard (21.2) and just ahead of Ben Wallace (20.4).
Hey i am impressed with Chuck Hayed and Lonny baxter and believe iwth them its probably the end to ryan bowen but i was wondering if there is any chance we get stephen graham again and have another guy to develop.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey i am impressed with Chuck Hayed and Lonny baxter and believe iwth them its probably the end to ryan bowen but i was wondering if there is any chance we get stephen graham again and have another guy to develop.</div> He's with Chicago right now, and it's doubtful that he will get to this team anytime before this summer. Honestly, he had his chance in Houston and failed to capitalize, and there's not much potential left in him, with his age and all. If we really want someone to develop, young talents are a dime a dozen in the D-League.
I got to see Chuck play like this for four years at the University of Kentucky. He's not a big scoring threat but the kid can sure bang bigger guys around in the paint. You can get used to him giving it his all every single minute he plays. BTW, have you all heard if Chuck's 10-day contract will be extended or not?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UKFan33:</div><div class="quote_post"> BTW, have you all heard if Chuck's 10-day contract will be extended or not?</div>Judging by the way he has played in this past week, I'd be surprised actually if he isn't signed for the remainder of the season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Judging by the way he has played in this past week, I'd be surprised actually if he isn't signed for the remainder of the season.</div> agreed it's more likely they will let lucas go since they will be getting moochie and maybe sura back too.. as for bowen, he will be the backup for TMac at SF or he will find himself on the inactive list.
I did a little arithmetic to see how the Rockets have played the last 5 games with and without Chuck Hayes on the floor: <font face=""Courier New""><font color=""Green"">116 minutes with Chuck Hayes 229 points (94.6 pts/48min) 192 points allowed (79.3 pts/48min) +15.3 pts/48min 134 minutes without Chuck Hayes 252 points (90.3 pts/48min) 276 points allowed (98.2 pts/48min) -8.2 pts/48min</font></font> The benefit is slightly skewed since Chuck only played 14 minutes in his first game (a blowout loss to Dallas), in garbage time. Not including the Dallas game, here are the numbers: <font face=""Courier New""><font color=""Green"">102 minutes with Chuck Hayes 197 points (92.7 pts/48min) 167 points allowed (78.6 pts/48min) +14.1 pts/48min 100 minutes without Chuck Hayes 208 points (99.8 pts/48min) 198 points allowed (95.0 pts/48min) +4.8 pts/48min</font></font> Anyone who saw the games knows that Chuck Hayes played a big role, particularly on the defensive end. That's pretty damn impressive, if you ask me.
I am always confused about one thing. He is a power forward, right? But he looks so small in TV broadcast. Not only short, looks quite skinny too. Looks like a small forward or guard stays in the the paint. Hard to believe he did a fine job for rebounding.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting perrypan:</div><div class="quote_post">I am always confused about one thing. He is a power forward, right? But he looks so small in TV broadcast. Not only short, looks quite skinny too. Looks like a small forward or guard stays in the the paint. Hard to believe he did a fine job for rebounding.</div> It's long been said that rebounding is all about who wants the ball more. There are many good undersized rebounders in the NBA, and Hayes is one of them. He does a great job of sealing opponents out and is almost always at the perfect angle for the rebound. That takes a good knack for the ball and lots of hard work.
Here are some per-40 minute stats for our power forwards as of 1/30/2006: <font size="4">Juwan Howard:</font> <font face=""Courier New""><font color=""Green"">14.6 points 45.7 eff. field goal% 76.4 free throw% 49.1 true shooting% 1.6 assists 1.8 turnovers 0.6 steals 0.2 blocks 2.9 off. rebounds 8.5 total rebounds</font></font> <font size="4">Stromile Swift:</font> <font face=""Courier New""><font color=""Green"">17.1 points 47.2 eff. field goal% 67.7 free throw% 52.6 true shooting% 0.9 assists 2.8 turnovers 1.2 steals 1.3 blocks 3.2 off. rebounds 8.7 total rebounds</font></font> <font size="4">Chuck Hayes:</font> <font face=""Courier New""><font color=""Green"">12.8 points 55.9 eff. field goal% 69.6 free throw% 61.2 true shooting% 1.4 assists 1.0 turnovers 1.0 steals 1.2 blocks 5.5 off. rebounds 13.8 total rebounds</font></font> Some people have criticized Chuck Hayes's offensive output, but actually he's been more effective offensively, on average, than Howard or Swift. He doesn't take nearly as many shots, sure, but he's more efficient (61.2 TS% would be 3rd in the entire league) and he gets extra possessions through offensive rebounding. He isn't a turnover machine like Swift, and he draws a lot of fouls unlike Howard. Of course, defensively he's miles ahead of either Howard or Swift. There are other ways to statistically compare their impact. Our rebounding % as a team (both offensive and defensive) increases dramatically with Hayes in the game, versus Howard or Swift. <font size="4">Juward Howard:</font> <font face=""Courier New""><font color=""Green"">Off. Rebound% of Team: 28.7% Def. Rebound% of Team: 71.2% Tot. Rebound% of Team: 50.0%</font></font> <font size="4">Stromile Swift:</font> <font face=""Courier New""><font color=""Green"">Off. Rebound% of Team: 29.6% Def. Rebound% of Team: 67.6% Tot. Rebound% of Team: 48.6%</font></font> <font size="4">Chuck Hayes:</font> <font face=""Courier New""><font color=""Green"">Off. Rebound% of Team: 34.4% Def. Rebound% of Team: 77.0% Tot. Rebound% of Team: 55.7%</font></font> Juwan Howard has enjoyed the good graces of JVG all year, despite having a horrid +/-. His numbers look ok, particularly in the last month, mainly because he plays a lot of minutes. But it's no fluke that we've struggled as a team with him in the game. He provides little defensive presence (0.2 blocks per 40 minutes is pathetic), is an inefficient scorer, and a weak rebounder. His one asset is he's improved his efficiency on the mid-range jumper since the beggining of the season, but that isn't enough to compensate for his weaknesses. Now that Hayes has fallen in our lap, we don't have to resort to starting the dissapointing Swift in place of Howard. Hayes's production is more than solid, even for a starter. He's versatile defensively, and he'll finish in traffic offensively. And he's a monster on the boards. He should start.
I love that 5.5 offensive rebounds per 40 minutes. It would easily consistently rank among the top three in the league. Yesterday was the first game I saw Hayes play in, and he always seemed active on the offensive glass, getting tips and always got good position down low once a shot was up. It'll be interesting how him and Yao would share the lane, though, as neither can afford to leave it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">I love that 5.5 offensive rebounds per 40 minutes. It would easily consistently rank among the top three in the league. Yesterday was the first game I saw Hayes play in, and he always seemed active on the offensive glass, getting tips and always got good position down low once a shot was up. It'll be interesting how him and Yao would share the lane, though, as neither can afford to leave it.</div> Does he have a mid-range jumper? I never watched him in college or the NBDL.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Does he have a mid-range jumper? I never watched him in college or the NBDL.</div> In college, he was pretty much strictly a low post player, and took just 78 college threes in four years. He went 24% on those shots, and was 2-11 in his last season. It seems like neither himself nor Van Gundy likes him taking the mid range shot, as he just camps down low and fights for position. Maybe, with an offensive rebounder like Hayes, we could finally afford to have Yao take more perimeter shots?
if only.. we could combine hayes' hustle.. juwan's offensive skills.. and stromile's length and athleticism... we would have the perfect PF
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">You would have Kevin Garnett</div> Garnett is all that, plus ball-handling and court vision. It's kind of sad that all our PFs together still don't add up to one Garnett.
More like a Dwight Howard. That kid is a beast. I also went to school at Kentucky and watched Chuck Hayes play all four years. He has as much heart in himself as most NBA teams do as a whole. Dicky V praises the man. He says he never loses.
