Hey man i reli think Hoffa can have success in this league i think the main problem is that hoffa is way too heavy and thats why he is way slower than a lot of other centers causing his rebounding to suffer. If we could drop his weight from 290 to 250 pounds he could be a much better player. He should still be able to out muscle people becuase thats a lot more fat than muscles hes carrying around. That would bump up his explosiveness and quickness. Truthfully i think hes a bit more athletic than brad miller but he out weighs him by 40 pounds and thats why he doin so bad. So what do you think about hoffa dropping weight? even greg orstratag who is 7'2" is lighter than him at 280
This thread's not really neccessary, im pretty sure if people watched at least 3 raptor games, they can figuere out who sucks and whos good. There's no answer to your quesition why hes doing bad, he just sucks, best answer i can giv you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting i-eat-nets:</div><div class="quote_post">This thread's not really neccessary, im pretty sure if people watched at least 3 raptor games, they can figuere out who sucks and whos good. There's no answer to your quesition why hes doing bad, he just sucks, best answer i can giv you.</div> I actually agree. He's pretty awful.
ppl are to hard on him its not his fault he was taken so high lighten its his 2nd yr in the league he'll get better its just the fans at the ACC keep booing him ive seen improvements from him i think he can be a good backup or a decent starter in the future just maybe not in toronto.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">ppl are to hard on him its not his fault he was taken so high lighten its his 2nd yr in the league he'll get better its just the fans at the ACC keep booing him ive seen improvements from him i think he can be a good backup or a decent starter in the future just maybe not in toronto.</div> Only time can decide, he does too many clumsy moves, not getting the backboard shots, rebounds, and comitting too many fouls, turnovers. But he has a good baseline jumper, if we got a veteran center, hoffa would improve, no doubt about it.
Theo Ratliff didnt have very impressive numbers until his 3rd year. His 2nd year he produced 5.8 PPG 3.4 RPG in 17 minutes. Joel Przybilla in his 2nd year was doing 2.7 PPG, 4 Reb per game.....his 3rd year even worse. DeSagana Diop has been in the league now for 4 years, this is the first year that he is showing significant improvements. The point is, we hear all the time that it takes big men longer to fit into the NBA then any other position. Give the guy a chance, we don't have any other choice. We cannot take back the pick. He is STILL a Raptor, so instead of booing him everytime he is on the floor, cheer for him! I think it is safe to say that if we as fans cheered for him all along, he WOULD be better then he is now. He shows glimpses once in awhile. But as long as he is still a Raptor, I will not boo him! I personally don't think he sucks. Next time you watch a game, watch off the ball. Watch some of the things he does do well. What, because he doesn't score the ball very much, he sucks?? Newsflash.....the Raptors don't need any more scorers! Watch how many boards Chris Bosh gets when Hoffa is on the floor because Hoffa bumps people off, or blocks out well. Watch him in a pick and roll situation.....does Bosh get to the hole? Does Mike James get an open shot?? We don't have a lot of wins, but there is at least 2 games that without Hoffa, we may not have won.
I think we should ship him to the D-League so he can improve, nothing wrong with doing that. Pape Sow has shown some improvement and IMO will always be better than Hoffa just because of how much more athletic he is and how much more he tries in every aspect of the game. If Martell Webster can be sent the D-League and he was drafted 6th overall, why cant Araujo be sent to the D-League.
the moment he is drafted, he is bound to suck and it's not like toronto fans boo him it's more like, he gave them reasons to boo him I meant...if a guy can foul out within 15 mins, it's either you are Danny Fortson or Brazilian Beast very unique player he is...in the wrong way
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Carcharias:</div><div class="quote_post">I personally don't think he sucks. Next time you watch a game, watch off the ball. Watch some of the things he does do well. What, because he doesn't score the ball very much, he sucks?? Newsflash.....the Raptors don't need any more scorers! Watch how many boards Chris Bosh gets when Hoffa is on the floor because Hoffa bumps people off, or blocks out well. Watch him in a pick and roll situation.....does Bosh get to the hole? Does Mike James get an open shot??</div> Dude are you serious? I've watched him closely this year, just to see if he had the mechanics or fundamentals to survive in this league. Honestly, Raps fans only expected him to rebound this year. He doesn't box out very well, and for someone who lacks atheticism, he doesn't use positioning to rebound. His defense is horrible. He positions himself wrong. He has little lateral quickness. And has trouble playing tough without committing fouls. On offense, he's limited to a decent jumper at the elbow. His post moves are slow and predictable. And he fumbles the ball a lot. I know the Raps picked him too early, but he was predicted to go mid 1st round. So far he's played like a 2nd round pick.
horrible, this is a bad thread close it now, no point anyone whos seen him play knows he sucks START SOW
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">I actually think he's overachieving so far.</div> Ouch, that's more of an insult than a compliment. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So far he's played like a 2nd round pick.</div> Actually he's played like a guy that doesn't even belong in the league.
There's a reason why people boo him. If people see that you're working hard and/or improving than they will see that. You don't have to score or be the most athletic player. Fans here know when people are working hard and will appreciate that - just look at Jerome Williams or Popeye Jones. No offensive ability whatsoever but they worked their asses off for the Raptors. Hoffa has been given every opportunity. He has shown little to nothing during that whole time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Ouch, that's more of an insult than a compliment.</div> Yeea, I may have been a bit harsh there.
An nba comparison and you may remember this guy and Hoffa is a poor mans Mengke Bateer. He a poor man's mengke because mengke had strength that could push shaq outta the paint at 280 but problem is he so slow shaq only had to turn and dribble and dunk
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">An nba comparison and you may remember this guy and Hoffa is a poor mans Mengke Bateer. He a poor man's mengke because mengke had strength that could push shaq outta the paint at 280 but problem is he so slow shaq only had to turn and dribble and dunk</div> good job, finally somebody agree with me me and my friends call him White Bateer
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">There's a reason why people boo him. If people see that you're working hard and/or improving than they will see that. You don't have to score or be the most athletic player. Fans here know when people are working hard and will appreciate that - just look at Jerome Williams or Popeye Jones. No offensive ability whatsoever but they worked their asses off for the Raptors. Hoffa has been given every opportunity. He has shown little to nothing during that whole time.</div> I disagree, I believe Hoffa tries his best. The problem is he lacks the talent, confidence, and overall feel for the game to actually make an impact. Sure he sucks, but that doesn't mean he's not giving it his all. That's why I just hate it when our own fans boo him like that.... Anyways, I don't know what's wrong with me, but every time I read the title of this thread I start cracking up......
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree, I believe Hoffa tries his best. The problem is he lacks the talent, confidence, and overall feel for the game to actually make an impact.</div> How much talent did JYD, Popeye, or Oakley have? That didn't stop them from being productive.
