48% from the line. I think Shaq would beat the Warriors team in a free throw shooting contest. W's let the game get away. Is that the coach's fault? It's a rhetorical question. NO. Well at least Murphy worked hard on defense tonight. I have no complaints about his effort. The w's didn't put the ball in the hoop when it mattered so the early offense was reminiscent of what the Warriors used to do. Kick ass in the first half and then falter in the second. BTW, the Warriors nba insider reporter at half time said the Warriors don't get enough time to practice. So it's actually a lot harder for a coach to get the players to do what he wants them to do as a team. The Warriors did a lot of good things tonight, but they couldn't hit their free throws of all things. As Gilda Radner would say, "If it's not one thing, it's the other". No matter what happens, I hope the all-star breaks makes a huge difference for the franchise like it has done in the past. Let's hope we keep the .500 record at least. We just can't have a losing season going into the break.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kensaku:</div><div class="quote_post">Worst game EVAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!</div> Nah man. Toronto was the worst game ever. That was in 2003-04 season, I believe. The w's blew a huge lead and lost in overtime when they could only score 2 points in the 4th quarter after leading the entire game by as much as 16 points. That was a franchise low for least points scored in a quarter. The guy who scored those 2 pts was Erick Dampier, who was taken out of the lineup by Musselman in favor of Clif Robinson at center. Nobody could put the damn ball in the hoop and the W's couldn't find a way to break the zone. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/...-warriors_x.htm Not to add insult to injury and tempt some fans into slitting their wrists, but we've lost some pretty close games at the line. Our guards just really suck at the line, but what is really bad is that finesse guys like Dunleavy and Zarko are bricking as well. Ouch!
Tonight's game was absolutely unacceptable. I'll never forget it. This team won't even flirt with %.500 for much longer the way they played tonight. And it wasn't lack of effort. It was just a terrible closing performance. They got a taste of a lead -- 19 fackin points -- and they just crumbled like a soggy muffin. I don't know WTF they're talking about in the locker room, but it better not be playoffs lol.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Tonight's game was absolutely unacceptable. I'll never forget it. This team won't even flirt with %.500 for much longer the way they played tonight. And it wasn't lack of effort. It was just a terrible closing performance. They got a taste of a lead -- 19 fackin points -- and they just crumbled like a soggy muffin. I don't know WTF they're talking about in the locker room, but it better not be playoffs lol.</div> It's disappointing, but the Clippers are a good team. Now if we lost to the Hawks in similar fashion, I'd be furious. Meanwhile, I bet Shaq is laughing at our performance at the line.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">48% from the line. I think Shaq would beat the Warriors team in a free throw shooting contest. W's let the game get away. Is that the coach's fault? It's a rhetorical question. NO.</div> I just got back from the game. I wouldn't say that Monty deserves no blame at all. He definitely had the team ready and we executed well but he allowed the players to relax when we had the game in hand. He practically threw the game away himself in the last minute with the HORRIBLE attempted inbounds play to Murphy. In his post game quotes he said he wanted Baron to take the shot earlier instead of letting the clock wind down, maybe if ANY of his "plays" worked and he made a few good decisions occasionally Baron would listen to him. Bottomline: I trust Baron a hell of alot more than Monty. However, he still had them ready to play. Missed free throws really killed us. Other than that it was just a good stretch by the Clips at the wrong time for us.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I just got back from the game. I wouldn't say that Monty deserves no blame at all. He definitely had the team ready and we executed well but he allowed the players to relax when we had the game in hand. He practically threw the game away himself in the last minute with the HORRIBLE attempted inbounds play to Murphy. In his post game quotes he said he wanted Baron to take the shot earlier instead of letting the clock wind down, maybe if ANY of his "plays" worked and he made a few good decisions occasionally Baron would listen to him. Bottomline: I trust Baron a hell of alot more than Monty. However, he still had them ready to play. Missed free throws really killed us. Other than that it was just a good stretch by the Clips at the wrong time for us.</div> Monty assumes blame just because he's the head coach, but if the players can't execute and Baron tends to overdribble like Steve Francis, it just wastes time on the clock and creates more pressure for themselves. Now the W's can make these plays work with a little timing and execution if they just practice and work on it, but they don't have time during an 82 game season once it starts. The Warriors are still too static at times and they don't space the floor when a guy is trying to make a move. Fans are going to believe it's the players or it's the coach, but it's probably a combination of both, so I agree with you. Two sides are trying to figure each other out and when it comes to Bdiddy he's the most popular among fans, not the coach. I still think Baron's overdribbling, our screen setting and our lack of off the ball movement tends to make things harder for the W's. Right now the W's have to dumb down their offense just so everyone is on the same page. W's just look very predictable right now. I bet if one were to ask a Stanford basketball fan if they recognized Monty's style right now with the Warriors, they probably see that the team isn't running it or doesn't have the right pieces for a chemistry type team. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorsfan:</div><div class="quote_post">forget the playoffs, its over already</div> And for those who say we won't make the playoffs, well it's like the Clippers game itself. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. Let's hope the W's don't bury themselves beyond recovery and can go into win streak mode.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And for those who say we won't make the playoffs, well it's like the Clippers game itself. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. Let's hope the W's don't bury themselves beyond recovery and can go into win streak mode</div> I agree. They definitely still have a chance, but something is definitely wrong with the teams chemistry.
why, in the 3rd quarter when we were up like 18 and j-rich was going nuts did monty take him out? he got his 1st foul, and monty took him out while he was on fire...we immediately caught the bad end of a 11-2 run...which continued more or less throughout the 4th. why would u make such an unneccessary and blatantly momentum-ending substitution at such a critical point in the game. I had to listen to the annoying ass clipper broadcast, and even THEIR announcers were baffled at monty's subbing strategies.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Nah man. Toronto was the worst game ever. That was in 2003-04 season, I believe. The w's blew a huge lead and lost in overtime when they could only score 2 points in the 4th quarter after leading the entire game by as much as 16 points. That was a franchise low for least points scored in a quarter. The guy who scored those 2 pts was Erick Dampier, who was taken out of the lineup by Musselman in favor of Clif Robinson at center. Nobody could put the damn ball in the hoop and the W's couldn't find a way to break the zone. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/...-warriors_x.htm Not to add insult to injury and tempt some fans into slitting their wrists, but we've lost some pretty close games at the line. Our guards just really suck at the line, but what is really bad is that finesse guys like Dunleavy and Zarko are bricking as well. Ouch!</div> Yeah, that was a BAD game, but last night's was worse because it meant more; to lose 3 games against your division rivals is a tough one to swallow.
Absolutely disgusting. Not the comeback to take a 1 pt lead on JRich's layin plus 1, but how they lost the 19 pt lead. Notice how when the Warriors were comfortably ahead and the Clips started making a move what shots the Warriors were taking? 3s, not going for the hammer by pounding it inside, but jacking up 3s again. Terrible. No sense of how to close a game out. If the Warriors were losing simply because of lack of talent, that's one thing, but playing stupid basketball? Disheartening. Contrast the Warriors right now with the Kings of the 80's and early 90's; the Kings lacked talent, they had Reggie Theus and nobody else, maybe Harold Pressley and Ed Pinckney but that was it. The Kings competed every night on their home court and had one of the best home records because they busted their butts off every night and played smart basketball. The Warriors are lacking that quality. Its not talent, its internal and that's what's disappointing. Monty? He is human, he's going to make a mistake or two but on the whole he's doing his job, its the stupid things that are killing the Warriors, the bad pass to Murphy that Brand stole and dunked (by Dunleavy, not an inbounds play, unless you are talking about the last inbounds play which was not bad considering the W's had less than .5 to shoot) and Baron's fumbling of the ball (at end of 3rd qtr too) at the end of the game. 19 secs and you do not get off a shot down by 1? Horrible. I am so fed up. Please W's give me some hope that you will correct your deficiencies.
As depressing as this loss is, we're still only 2 games behind Utah in the win column. Now We have a couple of tough games ahead, but this is the rough patch in the schedule. if the guys can squeeze out a few wins against "better teams" here, then we're right back in the hunt. Remember that this is only the 4th game that everyone has played together. Pietrus and Ike will settle into their roles and maybe a deal gets made. Players can recharge at the all-star break and get some practice time in.
Montgomery is worthless. When every player is playing weak basketball on the defensive end, the blame goes on the coach. That lineup of scrubs at the end of the 3rd is reason alone to can him. This guy is in over his head and can't get results with a loaded backcourt. The entire team is sorry and you can only blame the coach for that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">Montgomery is worthless. When every player is playing weak basketball on the defensive end, the blame goes on the coach. That lineup of scrubs at the end of the 3rd is reason alone to can him. This guy is in over his head and can't get results with a loaded backcourt. The entire team is sorry and you can only blame the coach for that.</div> I know how you feel, man. Trust me I've been there as well when it comes to witnessing a terrible loss, but you can't be serious that the reason we lost is all the coach's fault. It really takes time, learning, and discipline to be able to execute together as a team. Last night, the Warriors played some dumb ball down the stretch, made mistakes biting on pump fakes, and were off on their timing. Warriors can't improve dramatically in one season unless they have some anchor in the middle. Whether its our rookies in line to do that, we just can't bench Murphy who's got 4-5 years left with almost 9-10 mil a year on it and guys who've barely trained/played in the offseason. Now with the lack of center help we had, Foyle in foul trouble and us just needing to outscore and not turn the damn ball over, we put in the 4th quarter Fisher, Baron, Jrich, Dunleavy, Murphy. That's pretty standard issue by now since they are vets who have come up big in games. We can all admit that's just asking for pain defensively, but they have three ballhandlers and three shooters and two impact players. I think we could have won the game if we just played smarter, but Baron turned the ball over, Dunleavy and Murphy miscommunicated and turned the ball over for an easy slam dunk, Fisher jumped into Sam Cassell of all clippers, and several Warriors left a whole bunch of free throws at the line throughout the game. Even though the Warriors shot 60% for most of the game, their free throw % was almost as low as their season average field goal %. There's not much we can do when the team breaks down defensively down the stretch, Casell gets hot, and several players are taking bad shots, not hitting the shots they're supposed to hit from the field or at the line. The missed free throws and settling for the three ball is our biggest enemy when we're not a good offensive rebounding or free throw shooting team. Murphy did a fine job defensively on Brand, but the guy had no legs to shoot the darn ball later on after a back to back game. I think the problem is not the coaching, but just our darn talent defensively when it comes to personal defense as well as our inability to do the simple things you don't think about. Our team defense just causes so much hang ups and leaves a lot of players out of position. Also offensively, like Philsmith mentioned, we failed to execute, to respond to the other team's offensive plays, and we held the ball too long only to shoot bad shots or we settled for long threes. That's just moronic ball and obviously the coach is looking really bad when his players are out doing their own thing and just plain collapsing. I just think it's sort of ignorant to blame one thing and not the variety of things, but I appreciate the sentiment that many of us feel. I definitely relate to the pain of loss and frustration of "what the hell are we doing?". There's talent on the team, but it definitely doesn't fit or it's not in the right place, it needs more time and practice, or they're raising mutiny against the general game plan. It's definitely appropriate to vent over frustrating loss, but let's try to keep things in perspective and assume it's not over until its over. In the words of Coach Hubie Brown, "It ain't over until the fat lady sings."
Don't forget that Ike and Zarko had 6 fouls at one point between them in 9 minutes of (combined) play. Two of the Ike fouls were phantom calls. It's tough when the guys you need to just stay on the courst can't kill time to let the starters rest. BTW, I know Brandt is a great player, but Murphy has to make him work a little. His effort last night was atrocious. He had some pep in his step on the offensive side and pulled some boards, but he needs to make Wilcox and Brandt work more. Especially if you're up 19, no easy buckets. What a rough loss... I'm deflated after that one.
This loss definitely takes the credibility out of the Warriors. So many people hopped onto their bandwagon and they can't really move with the excess weight. The W's are 1-7 versus Pacific conference teams. That simply is not going to cut it. There was definitley a palpable change sometime in the third quarter. I don't remember when, but you could just feel the W's rushing and trying to throw up 3s. Pietrus got almost no minutes, and Zarko was a key factor in letting the lead slip. But not getting any production out of Ike is definitely hurting the W's. Monty also has to find a better way of subbing out players after they get hot, like JRich last night. The Clippers have the killer instinct that the W's just can't seem to grow. All in all, a disgusting, horrible, atrocious loss that may have sent hundreds of fair-weather fans jumping off of the bandwagon. More room for us diehards.
Andris needs to play more, I thought he played great last night with his energy and ability to actually catch the ball in the post. Who cares if he picks up two quick fouls, he needs time on the court to learn and it doesn't matter if he fouls out or not. Terrible, terrible coaching having Dunleavy bring the ball up by himself vs. Cassell. Also if you are throwing it at the hoop for a tip in, don't throw it to a guy who can't jump. I hated seeing this quote: "We wanted to go early," coach Mike Montgomery said. "Baron just elected to hold and put us in an awkward situation."
