<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Lol, that's also what I wanted to say, but I didn't want offend anyone.</div> I don't understand this. In the west, which center is better than Yao? The centers I can think of are Camby, Okur, and maybe Miller. However, Yao averages more points than any of those guys, a better field goal percentage, and is just lower than Camby in rebounds and blocks. Can anyone give me any legit reasons why Camby should get starting position over Yao? Camby's a defensive beast sure, but Yao although doesn't average double digit in rebounds, he's sure as hell close to it and although his average in blocks is small in comparison, he still alters a lot of shots and his a defensive presence. Oh, and the whole injury thing isn't null if your argument is for Camby. He's only played three more games than Yao so far.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand this. In the west, which center is better than Yao? The centers I can think of are Camby, Okur, and maybe Miller. However, Yao averages more points than any of those guys, a better field goal percentage, and is just lower than Camby in rebounds and blocks. Can anyone give me any legit reasons why Camby should get starting position over Yao? Camby's a defensive beast sure, but Yao although doesn't average double digit in rebounds, he's sure as hell close to it and although his average in blocks is small in comparison, he still alters a lot of shots and his a defensive presence. Oh, and the whole injury thing isn't null if your argument is for Camby. He's only played three more games than Yao so far.</div> He's a great defensive player, is a better rebounder and shot blocker, and has 16+ PPG to boot. Not to mention Denver has more wins than Houston, and Camby has been huge for Denver this season (when he's been healthy). EDIT: Also, David Wesley has over 95000 votes. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I know I was thinking 'What the hell?'
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He's a great defensive player, is a better rebounder and shot blocker, and has 16+ PPG to boot. Not to mention Denver has more wins than Houston, and Camby has been huge for Denver this season (when he's been healthy).</div> Camby averages 15.4 points a game, not even 16. All I'm saying is that there isn't too much of a difference between him and Yao to warrant the old "thats what happens when fans vote" argument. Yao's a nice defensive player too and there's no doubt he alters a lot of shots since everyone needs to shoot over him. Its just that it doesn't show up on the stat sheet in blocks. Its not like Yao is a bad rebounder either. He still gets close to 10, so are you saying you wouldn't vote in a 20/10 ish type player for the position?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">Duncan needs to be there over KG anyway. Is Yao really the best center in the west? yikes!</div> Um, Yeah, Yao's the best center in the West...20/9/2 a game...I will never understand the constant Yao bashing by some of these people...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocket:</div><div class="quote_post">Um, Yeah, Yao's the best center in the West...20/9/2 a game...I will never understand the constant Yao bashing by some of these people...</div> I feel Yao is the best 5 in the west, hard to find a center that can do those stats. While HE deserves to be a starter, T-Mac does not this season. I love the guy but he doesn't deserve it this season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand this. In the west, which center is better than Yao? The centers I can think of are Camby, Okur, and maybe Miller. However, Yao averages more points than any of those guys, a better field goal percentage, and is just lower than Camby in rebounds and blocks. Can anyone give me any legit reasons why Camby should get starting position over Yao? Camby's a defensive beast sure, but Yao although doesn't average double digit in rebounds, he's sure as hell close to it and although his average in blocks is small in comparison, he still alters a lot of shots and his a defensive presence. Oh, and the whole injury thing isn't null if your argument is for Camby. He's only played three more games than Yao so far.</div> Yao is 7'5". Marcus Camby is 6'11", so you expect Camby to better than Yao in anything. I think Camby should be in it before Yao.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dukefan04:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is 7'5". Marcus Camby is 6'11", so you expect Camby to better than Yao in anything. I think Camby should be in it before Yao.</div> Height is an advantage in the NBA that should not even be mentioned. AI gets his job done well and its not because he is only 6'0". Height cannot be used as an excuse in the NBA though (especially when comparing who is the better player at a position). So please.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yao is 7'5". Marcus Camby is 6'11", so you expect Camby to better than Yao in anything. I think Camby should be in it before Yao.</div> Um, what? Your argument is that because Camby is shorter, it means he's better, and therefore should get voted in first? I'm not even going to try to argue with you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Camby averages 15.4 points a game, not even 16.</div> My bad, I remember before his major injury he was averaging around 16.1 PPG. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao's a nice defensive player too and there's no doubt he alters a lot of shots since everyone needs to shoot over him.</div> Camby alters just as many shots as Yao, and he's 6 inches shorter. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Its just that it doesn't show up on the stat sheet in blocks. Its not like Yao is a bad rebounder either. He still gets close to 10, so are you saying you wouldn't vote in a 20/10 ish type player for the position?</div> Did I say I wouldn't vote for Yao for the All-Star team? My gripe is him being the starter. Would I vote Yao as a reserve? Probably, but he hasn't been the best center this year in the West.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yao's a nice defensive player too and there's no doubt he alters a lot of shots since everyone needs to shoot over him. Camby alters just as many shots as Yao, and he's 6 inches shorter. </div> So? The point is that they both alter around the same amount of shots. This is about the starting center position and height should have nothing to do with voting into this spot. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Did I say I wouldn't vote for Yao for the All-Star team? My gripe is him being the starter. Would I vote Yao as a reserve? Probably, but he hasn't been the best center this year in the West.</div> I've been making a good case on why he should be.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">I've been making a good case on why he should be.</div> Why don't you look at the win column too? Denver has 26 wins, and Utah has 23. Okur, Camby, and Yao have similiar stats, but Houston has only 18 wins. And yes, I am aware Houston has had injury problems, but so has Denver. Ask yourself this, would Yao be voted in as a reserve if he wasn't voted as a starter? I think not.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Why don't you look at the win column too? Denver has 26 wins, and Utah has 23. Okur, Camby, and Yao have similiar stats, but Houston has only 18 wins. And yes, I am aware Houston has had injury problems, but so has Denver. Ask yourself this, would Yao be voted in as a reserve if he wasn't voted as a starter? I think not.</div> The teams are structurized differently so its kind of hard to use the injury rule here. While Houston mainly relies on its two stars, Denver actually has depth with Miller, Anthony, and Martin all being able to handle the scoring load. Plus, they have Earl Boykins doing an incredible job at sixth man. Meanwhile, Utah is similar except they have less big name players and more hardworking/hustling type players. Houston on the other hand, have been left without McGrady or Yao for some stretches and most of the time, without one or the other. In addition, even some of the guys that would usually step it up when the stars are gone have been injured as well- with Anderson and Alston being out.
none taken, i really want to cry over the fact david wesly got more votes over jrich, please tell me CB4 is coming to houston.
i like okurs game, hes improved a hell of a lot, is the yoaming bashing session over? i think they both deserve it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TDoug:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope Nash nods to Bryant when he's open and passes to McGrady or Duncan. It's the same players every year. Dirk not a starter? Who wants to see Bryant shoot every time he touches the ball? I am a huge Mavericks and Hornets fan, but I hope the East torches them. But since Jordan retired, there's no Alpha on the court to make the dogs fight.</div> Rarely shot the ball and he had 8 assists. I hope you've learnt a lesson.
