Warriors vs. Timberwolves @ Oakland, Feb. 4, 7:30PM FSN+

I doubt it's still on the net, I got it awhile ago. It'd have to be uploaded again to be available. Another game I have is the one where Baron and McGrady both get 40+ each last season.

 

P.S. Even Shaq decided that was necessary --have you noticed how good his passing has become over the last several years? He probably could just bull-rush the double team, turn and break the backboard on anyone -- but frankly he was taking a lot of physical wear. Shaq's intelligent decision to improve his passing out of the double has given him more room in the paint and probably has made his life a little easier in there.

 

What a thrashin' T-Wolves must be wondering what truck ran over them.

 

27 of 30 from the charity stripe, amazing!

 

Nice change from number of frustrating games. Davis was far better than what his stat indicated, and Richardson gut out 23 pts while wearing a body armor. Ever since Murphy was embarrassed by Clippers, he has been playing like completely different person, and he matched KG's production and did very good job at defense end as well. We do not sure the impact of Pietrus starting, but both Pietrus and Dunleavy had nice games as well. Biedrins is gaining confidence every game, and time to time, he looked very improssive. Both Monta and Diogu looked impressive in garbage time...

 

Warriors win by 30. That's 1 down, 17 to go.

38-33 by April baby!

 

That was a hella good win.....so when are we trading for Magloire?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">That was a hella good win.....so when are we trading for Magloire?</div>

I'm wondering, why are we trading for Magloire?

 

There was a rumor that Mullin is aiming for Magloire. But, if he really wants, he needs to do fast, because I heard that our trading exception will expire in 10 days. And, I am not sure why Bucks wants to part with Magloire, who gets modest 8.3 mils for next two years, unless they are so eager to put Bogut to center position. And, if so, they can wait to make a better deal, and if we do intend to use our MLE, we are not in a good position to make a deal...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting openglfx:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm wondering, why are we trading for Magloire?</div> I had doubts already it would be worth the probable cost. We'd be fools right now to give up Murpy or Pietrus,and I am sure than Dun+Fish won't do it.

Biedrens has polished up his game just lately and I'm thinking He's got more impact Than Mags,with a lot lower salary

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post"> I had doubts already it would be worth the probable cost. We'd be fools right now to give up Murpy or Pietrus,and I am sure than Dun+Fish won't do it.

Biedrens has polished up his game just lately and I'm thinking He's got more impact Than Mags,with a lot lower salary</div>

Really though, I don't understand why we even need Magloire, when Murphy is basically superior to him in the stats department, playing very solid D. Biedrins is doing fine backing up Foyle. If we let Pietrus go, I'd think it'll be a great mistake, because his offense and defense is invaluable to the W's. I don't see Magloire being worth a couple of our players. There's no more upside to his game.

 

$8.3 mill a year is not so cheap. Besides,We don't figure to win it all next year,maybe the year after...when mags may have moved on. If Biedrens outplays him,then we have a second string C getting 8.3 and a 3rd string getting about as much.

 

It'd be nice to have Magloire because he's got good bulk, long wingspan, nice big man skills, and he's a good all around defender with some offensive game and inside presence. He can play some forward too (or I should say, he partially is a forward). I just don't think he's going to really push us over the top like an elite big guy would. If we want playoffs we kind of need more rebounding or a dude that commands attention in the paint and will feed other guys on the perimeter. Magloire would probably just solve the rebounding issue, but his ability to score is overrated.

Also look at his assists to turnovers ratio, field goal percentage, free throw %, and the other types of things he does. Not very impressive. If he ever was an all-star it's because of a few things: 1.) The NBA has few centers that are any good 2.) Baron Davis probably made him a lot better by freeing him up and dishing it to him 3.) East had few decent centers when the West had Shaq and Yao.

So, anyway I think Magloire could help us in many ways now in the short term, but I don't think he's really going to push us over the top in the long run... he doesn't pass the ball much, he turns it over a lot trying to do the funky but effective Zaza Pachulia shoulder dip (which looks like an offensive foul), he shoots horrible free throw percentage, he's not that great of a scorer on his own. He's an okay shotblocker, but he's probably sought after because he's consistent on the glass and his 3 offensive boards a game is pretty good. Only somebody like Elton Brand or Ben Wallace would average more. I guess Magloire would offer more presence in the paint than anybody that we have now. I still think we should hold onto any rookies that we have because they've all turned out pretty good so far. A guy like Andris Biedrins could be our version of Jermaine O'neil. Doesn't anybody know that Biedrins is a legit 7 footer with monster wingspan with the same standing vertical as Bosh and Carmelo Anthony? Also, that lateral quickness is nice to have. Before J.O. couldn't score very well, but now he's one of the league's better big man talents. That's why I hope we be patient, hold onto some of these young big guys, get better big man vets to teach the rookies the right way to play, and just let them develop. Man, I sure hope Foyle doesn't teach Biedrins bad habits. Stuff like the way he sets screens too high and the way he comes off them too soon or too late or the fact he often puts the ball on the floor unnecessarily. We need big man veterans to mentor the young guys not big man veterans that play like rookies in certain aspects of the game.

 

Dude...you know Foyle is going to rear his ugly head again and play bad basketball. When the chips are down and he's on the verge of losing his spot, he picks up his game. Beans is good and he should get 25 minutes per night regardless. I'd feel better with a center and comparing Magloire to Foyle is no contest. Don't tell me you guys think likewise?

On Dunleavy, he's a much better point guard then Fisher. It would be a big slap in the face but I would feel better if he played backup point around 15 minutes and let Baron rest. In the meantime he could switch between playing the 3 with Pietrus.

 

Theres no chance in hell we're going over the top with Foyle. Best chances are with Magloire.

 

AnimeFANatic, I say that we stick with Biedrins and demoted Foyle to the bench. I want to see Biedrins get 25+ minutes or foul out, just as long as he plays a lot. Magloire, unless we were to ship out Foyle, would lower Biedrins minutes, and Beans is ready to produce as we have seen the in the last games.

 

Most expendable pieces right now, IMO, are Fisher, Foyle, Cheaney, Zarko, and maybe Taft.

Combine that with our exception and possible offer of picks, is there really anything we can get that will put us over the top?

As of this morning I don't think the Warriors should trade Ike, Ellis, Biedrins, Pietrus, Murphy, Dunleavy, or JRich. Oh yeah, and B-Diddy. Don't trade that guy.

 

Wow, who would have thought that the Warriors would have 11 block shots against the Timberwolves?

Is Jason Richardson fast or what? There are a lot more fast break opportunities when he is in the game due to his speed and his ability to take it to the rim and finish and to play in the open court. I like that. On the other hand, Mike Dunleavy is kind of slow, gee, hehe. I kind of wish he could run fast breaks better...

I liked how the Warriors tried to get everyone involved early in the game, such as Adonal Foyle. Foyle was working hard, and Mike Dunleavy and the Warriors found him, and got him clicking. That should be the game plan each game, I think.

Ike Diogu is small. I wish he was a bit taller, so he could get more rebounds. Just one total rebound in 17 minutes isn't so great for a PF, especially as that one rebound was an offensive rebound. He did get two blocks, so that is good. I also liked seeing him show his offensive game more by knocking down some shots from the top of the key and around that distance from the basket. I hope the coaching staff takes notes on that aspect of Diogu's game.

I liked how the coach allowed the bench get into the game more, and I hope this stays constant. I have been wanting this type of rotation for quite a while. Once this bench gets going, along with the big three on offense(Baron, Jason, Troy) then this team will be very difficult to beat. Hopefully the Warriors are taking notes on this too.

Now, really, the Timberwolves are in a big struggle right now. As good as it is to get a big blowout win, the Warriors better show up with the same intensity and good preperation for the Nuggets. Playing the TWolves was like playing a game during the first month of the season, since they just made a pretty big move, and it was clear that they didn't know what they were doing on the court. I have a feeling this may be different against the Nuggets. But hopefully the Warriors keep doing the things they are doing, prepare a good game plan for the Nuggets, and get another W and start a streak to get back above .500.

 

I'd think about this,Foyle,Fish+07 #1 to Blazers for Ratliff,Blake,O6 #2,08#2. Ratliffs deal is bigger,and as long as Foyle's,Blake's is no problem. Blake is an old school pass first,no star qwuality but a chemistry plus as an off the bench. Ratliff does not have bulk. He does have more offensive assets than adonal. Both are at their best as shotblockers. With overpaid contracts going both ways,that kind of evens out. We have no #2 in 06,and there are guys I happen to like,especially as defensive assets in the 2nd. We hold 2 #1 picks,3#2's in 07. The Blazers now need a few more round 1 types,more than role guys and projects out of rd 2,so that adds incentive and makes a deal good for both.

Here,Ratliff becomes a core guy in a center by committee. Biedrens would get as much play as he can handle,Murphy would learn more C skills,so Ike can play PF with Murphy still on the floor,and we'd still make minutes for Taft. Ratliff gives a known quality as a defensive minded C/F when savvy and experiance is needed.
The Warrors can be a team 14 men deep,even if all can't be active (at least after the next draft) we have some high grade non-starters and most of these guys can play more than one position,so we build a team concept,that everyone is a real part of the plan,that those who are productive at the time,play more,but ALL have a role and will usually be on the floor at some point.

 

Ike can board. At this point,being "coachable" is actually holding him back a bit,in that he's overdoing the box out aspect. You box out only to a point,the you go grab the ball. Ike has boxed out so well he's moved his man back,yet also has taken himself out of best position. Then he holds the box out too long,can't get to the spot with a leap. Ike,as a scorer,does best when he has a bit of room to work,can employ both agility and power. Generally you want your 60% scorer getting the ball inside,and finishing,not kicking out to a guy who hits 29% of his 3's,but Ike is learning that if he gets swarmed by a couple of 6-11 leapers it's hard to finish. With more time on the floor,he will know better what he CAN beat,when he should mainly aim to draw the foul or pass out.
In Ike's big breakout,he was simply free to use the tools he had to attack and score. Then he got put into a role as a back to the basket pivot,and that restricted what he could do. Now he's trying to assimilate all the new input,merge it with his existing tools. It will work out better in the long haul though,short term,it's complicating everything. I'd love to see Ike get full time action for 3-4 games as a PF so he can blend everything and see how to apply it.