Its been a long time since i lasted posted but one of the arguments i had was that we will be a sloppy team that needs alot of improvement....now i know its only half way done but we stand at 18-30....HORRIFIC record...i like the way some of the young guys look but i said we would not make the playoffs and we would play sloppy due to inexpirienced players....im not to sure if i like the wally trade either...i like the fact he gives us 3 point range at a high percentage but so far in his games his shot hasnt been there and hes gone from avergaing 20 a game with the wolves to14 with us.i also said pierce would show true colors and have a terrific year and be a true captain when everyone was hating on him saying he needed to be traded.... so far looks like this year has been exactly what i predicted.....i like our future i love the big guys and i think west is a hell of a point gaurd but we still need atleast 2 years to get these guys fully developed im happy to be back to the forum after a lonb absence and im looking foward to posting the rest of the season...
Hard to argue... but also, there aren't really any revelations there. It's pretty easy to say that the Celts are a bad team at this point. The trade seems to have given people the belief that the reasons for the poor play are different, they aren't. Despite the fact that Wally and Ricky are very different players, on this team, they will provide similar things. Both can fill up a stat sheet (Ricky more so), and both are most comfortable as mid range shooters. I'm hoping that Wally will keep stepping out and keeping people honest. He also has a post game that people forget about. I don't know if I've seen too much of it. As for Olowokandi, he's Mark Blount with a little more muscle and a little less jumper. It hurts to know that Al will be out for awhile. I believe that he was starting to come around, although Doc still didn't deploy him and Perk correctly. I'm still reserving judgment on West. He seems to have the skills to play the point, but he's awful streaky. That tends to diminish with experience, and hopefully it will. Tony Allen is a shadow of his old self. That knee looks to be still bothering him. I'm not sure about this defensive technique. Is it good? In short, I probably agree with you. Two years to a decent team. Three years until it's good. Green should be coming into his own by then, and the cap will start to free up. I think next year will be a little more interesting to watch, mostly because we'll be rid of Doc (I hope).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocket:</div><div class="quote_post">The Celtics will never reach their full potential until they fire Doc Rivers...it's that simple...</div> What is their 'full-potential'?
4-6th Seed in the playoffs, and a second round exit right now IMO. But in a few years them and Milwaukee are going to be two good teams, and someday IMO eastern conference finalists. Wait is Milwaukee in the East?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Buckets:</div><div class="quote_post">4-6th Seed in the playoffs, and a second round exit right now IMO. But in a few years them and Milwaukee are going to be two good teams, and someday IMO eastern conference finalists. Wait is Milwaukee in the East?</div> That will only happen if Perkins, Jefferson and West all become quality, longterm NBA ballers.
if??? no, no. WHEN they become quality longterm NBA ballers. hell theyre already prety quality for the minutes the play. They could all become stars
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post"> if??? no, no. WHEN they become quality longterm NBA ballers. </div> Assuming anything in the NBA is silly, especially when it comes to kids and their potential. There are no guarantees. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post"> hell theyre already prety quality for the minutes the play. They could all become stars </div> And they could just as easily become the next Kwame Brown, Dajuan Wagner etc. They're doing well so far, but half a season of good ball does not a career make.
kwame brown hawhawhaw dont be silly. Theyve already showed more promise than Brown ever has and without the attitude problems
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">kwame brown hawhawhaw dont be silly. Theyve already showed more promise than Brown ever has and without the attitude problems</div> And that 'guarantees' they'll be stars? The Kwame Brown comparison was clearly to highlight that talent and perceived potential means SFA.
Of course There aren't any guarantees as to who will become a star and who won't. The most apparent truth is that the celtics young players have the prerequisite physical skills to play good ball in the NBA Assumptions are silly, but they aren't exactly what's happening here. Fans see that the Young Celts have the ability, so they hope that they play up to it. They also appear to have the desire to do so. The celts have most of the parts of a good team, now they just need a coach to put it together. As for your Dajuan Wagner and Kwame Brown comparison, it isn't analogous to any of the young'uns we've seen play on for the Celts on the NBA level. Wagner had the skills, but not the head, and he kept getting odd injuries (colitis, kidney infection, etc). He was also undersized. As for Kwame Brown, he just never had the heart, and wasn't given any time to develop. Jefferson, Green, Perkins and West are all being given a fair amount of time to develop. The desire to succeed is there. They also have prototypical skill sets for their respective positions. Surely they all won't be great players, but they all might be good ones.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting postpoint:</div><div class="quote_post">There aren't any guarantees as to who will become a star and who won't. The most apparent truth is that the celtics young players have the prerequisite physical skills to play good ball in the NBA Assumptions are silly, but they aren't exactly what's happening here. Fans see that the Young Celts have the ability, so they hope that they play up to it. They also appear to have the desire to do so. The celts have most of the parts of a good team, now they just need a coach to put it together. As for your Dajuan Wagner and Kwame Brown comparison, it isn't analogous to any of the young'uns we've seen play on for the Celts on the NBA level. Wagner had the skills, but not the head, and he kept getting odd injuries (colitis, kidney infection, etc). He was also undersized. As for Kwame Brown, he just never had the heart, and wasn't given any time to develop. Jefferson, Green, Perkins and West are all being given a fair amount of time to develop. The desire to succeed is there. They also have prototypical skill sets for their respective positions. Surely they all won't be great players, but they all might be good ones.</div> Thank you sir, I think it unfair to count Wagner among those who "flopped," or anything similar to that. At the same time, it seems obvious that not all these youngsters will be superstars, but they look to have the ability to hang around the league for years to come, and in the case of their careers, which I wish them the best in, it's easily the most beneficial thing for them. Superstars, well and good if they turn out that way, but they might as well get the most bang for their buck. I would love the see these guys stick around for a good long time, but if they don't, that wouldn't surprise me either.
I'm not sure that I or anybody else argued that the Celtics had any chance of doing some damage this year. If I did, then some one please take me out back and rough me up. Not for nothing, but I'm starting to like the way the season is going because our future core is gaining a lot of experience. Sure, we could have kept Walker and did whatever else we could have to put a better team on the court THIS year, but I don't think it's about this year.
It's pretty obvious that it's not about this year. I don't really believe that we need a high pick, though. This team has almost all the rudiments of some of the great ones (and for those who think differently, not every team has those parts) and all it takes is team. Of course, I'm starting to get paranoid about injuries (Allen, West and especially Jefferson.) I really would like to see them sneak into an eighth spot for experience' sake
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting postpoint:</div><div class="quote_post">There aren't any guarantees as to who will become a star and who won't. The most apparent truth is that the celtics young players have the prerequisite physical skills to play good ball in the NBA</div> Absolutely no doubt they have the talentand tools to make it, simply don't think it's a matter of fact that they'll be "stars" as one poster indicated.
West,Perk and Al all could become very solid players in this league...maybe even Gomes...the only young to have grade A all-star potential is Gerald Green...but he has a long long way to go...
no way. I wasnt trying to assume theyd turn in to stars but all 3 of them west, perk and al have potential to become grade A all stars. What im sure of is that theyll at LEAST become solid NBA players because the way theyve been playing most of this year theyre already close to that even if the stats dont reflect it. People just cant easily score on Perk or get rebounds when hes going for them. People have a hard time stopping Al Jefferson from scoring in the post
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting UnLeAsHeD:</div><div class="quote_post">West,Perk and Al all could become very solid players in this league...maybe even Gomes...the only young to have grade A all-star potential is Gerald Green...but he has a long long way to go...</div> You'd have seen a lot more of the first three than me, but i really do rate Al Jefferson higher than the other two and consider him to be a big possibility to be an All-Star somewhere down the line. There are a few aspects of his game that need work, but i think that'll come with time.
Jefferson can be a very solid player with what he has now which is a nose for rebounds, great moves in the post and a killer hookshot. for him to be a star he needs to develope some kind of short to mid range jumpshot and of course significantly improve his defense. If you havent seen any Perk highlights you should check them out. He's really shown potential to be a monster on the glass. unless you're talking about Dwight Howard, you just dont see 21-year-olds who can get 10 rebounds in a half a game. One thing you might not be aware of is the Perk is in the top 7 in the league in rebounds per 48 minutes. Now granted, that list also includes Dikembe Mutumbo and Eric Dampier. But it also includes Dwight Howard, Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan. Decent company to be among. Perk has also done a great job developing his offensive game. He always used to get fouled on put backs and flushes and not be able to finish but he's getting more authoritative than that and has shown some good footwork too. He's got a pretty impressive up and under and just knows how to use the glass better than a lot of big men do. Very good passer too for his size.
