Bet you Flip plays his four Pistons the whole game and just subs the rest of the players in for that last spot.
^ that would make for the most boring all star game ever... i bet they will all play in the last 5 mins....please dont do it flip
wanna slap the coaches for voting rasheed wallace and rip hamilton, arenas is more deserving than hamilton, i hate to watch pistons play and the east will have a hard time winning
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Arenas can definately be over Pierce. <font color="navy">Arenas:</font> 28 PPG | 4 RPG | 6 APG <font color="navy">Pierce:</font> 26 PPG | 7 RPG | 5 APG If they want to talk about records, the Wizards are 1 game above .500 while the Celtics are 1 game above the Raptors. If Pierce was killing Arenas with his numbers, okay, but Arenas is putting up just as pretty numbers and winning more. If Pierce made it as a guard, which I'm assuming is what he made it as, that's retarded.</div> Meh...if Pierce was selected as a guard than that would definitely be f'd up...but I think he was selected as F. Vince/Billups are the players I believe got the guard spot votes (crazy guesses) with Pierce and Sheed/Bosh getting the the forward spot, with the left out one of those 3 being a wildcard pick along with Rip.
Should be fun to watch Rip Hamiltion nail jumpshots in the all-star game... I'm not a fan of Arenas, but I'm shocked not to see him on that list.
How does Rasheed Wallace get in over Dwight Howard? Dwight has .1 more ppg, 6 more rpg, shoots 512% to Sheed's 435% and has .05 less blocks. I just don't understand how he makes it over Dwight. Yes he is on the great Pistons team, but Dwight has had the better season. Oh well, I can't wait to see him after the allstar break, he is going to be pissed that he is snubbed and will make the allstar game for many more years.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">How does Rasheed Wallace get in over Dwight Howard? Dwight has .1 more ppg, 6 more rpg, shoots 512% to Sheed's 435% and has .05 less blocks. I just don't understand how he makes it over Dwight. Yes he is on the great Pistons team, but Dwight has had the better season. Oh well, I can't wait to see him after the allstar break, he is going to be pissed that he is snubbed and will make the allstar game for many more years.</div> exactly!! this is just freaking stupid!! htf did rasheed wallace made it?? this is some BS, plus gilbert arenas >>> rip hamilton anyday
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Meh...if Pierce was selected as a guard than that would definitely be f'd up...but I think he was selected as F. Vince/Billups are the players I believe got the guard spot votes (crazy guesses) with Pierce and Sheed/Bosh getting the the forward spot, with the left out one of those 3 being a wildcard pick along with Rip.</div> I was thinking Pierce was one of the wildcard picks, if not, then s'all good, but either way, whoever the 2 wildcards were did not deserve the spot over Arenas. It's not like Washington is a losing team. All I know if that this will just give him more motivation to go out there and kill cats. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Some of you need to realise It's more about wins than just talent and stats.</div> It's both, if it was just that, then what are Bosh and Pierce doing there?
The logic of having players in the game just because they are big contributers on winning teams is very flawed. The Chicago Bulls teams of the '90's were possibly the greatest teams of all-time, yet did you ever see Kerr, Kukoc, Harper, or Longley suiting up for the All-Star game? Nope. The Dallas Mavericks are 38-10, only two games behind the Pistons, and yet they only had ONE All-Star. If Rasheed Wallace makes it because his team is having a great year, then where were Jason Terry or Josh Howard? How about the fact that Chris Bosh and Paul Pierce played for awful teams? It seems a little hypocritical to fill out half your ballot with players who are role players on great teams and then the other half with players who dominate the stat sheet on bottom dwellers. Not to take away from Bosh or Pierce, but the Nets are having an amazing season, where was Kidd? The role that Jason Kidd plays for the Nets is far more critical to the Nets' success than the role that Rasheed Wallace, or a few of those other Pistons players, has on their team. It just doesn't make sense. SHOULD have made the team (one will probably fill in for J.O'Neal): Dwight Howard Jason Kidd Gilbert Arenas SHOULDN'T have made the team: Rasheed Wallace Paul Pierce
Once again, VooDoo, I love your thought process and it hit all marks. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Meh...if Pierce was selected as a guard than that would definitely be f'd up...but I think he was selected as F. Vince/Billups are the players I believe got the guard spot votes (crazy guesses) with Pierce and Sheed/Bosh getting the the forward spot, with the left out one of those 3 being a wildcard pick along with Rip</div> Pierce is a guard, and was voted as such. Vince Carter is a forward.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post"> Pierce is a guard, and was voted as such. Vince Carter is a forward.</div> The coaches can put the players at any posistion wen they select their players. Vince Carter is listed as a Guard, Pierce is listed as a Forward. Vince Carter plays SG, and Pierce played SF (when Ricky was a Celt). They both play SG/SF so doesn't really make a difference, but I'm just stating my "theory".
42 Tony Allen G 6-4 213 01/11/1982 Oklahoma State 1 20 Dan Dickau G 6-0 190 09/16/1978 Gonzaga 3 4 Ryan Gomes F 6-7 250 09/01/1982 Providence R 5 Gerald Green G-F 6-8 200 01/26/1986 Gulf Shores Academy (TX) R 0 Orien Greene G 6-4 208 02/04/1982 Louisiana-Lafayette R 7 Al Jefferson F 6-10 265 01/04/1985 Prentiss HS (MS) 1 Dwayne Jones F-C 6-11 250 06/09/1983 St. Joseph's (PA) R 45 Raef LaFrentz F 6-11 245 05/29/1976 Kansas 7 41 Michael Olowokandi C 7-0 270 04/03/1975 U. of Pacific 7 43 Kendrick Perkins C 6-10 280 11/10/1984 Clifton J. Ozen HS (TX) 2 34 Paul Pierce - C G 6-6 230 10/13/1977 Kansas 7 44 Brian Scalabrine F 6-9 235 03/18/1978 USC 4 55 Wally Szczerbiak F 6-7 244 03/05/1977 Miami (Ohio) 6 13 Delonte West G 6-4 180 07/26/1983 Saint Joseph's 1 NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS 15 Vince Carter F 6-6 220 01/26/1977 North Carolina 7 35 Jason Collins F-C 7-0 255 12/02/1978 Stanford 4 44 Marc Jackson C-F 6-10 253 01/16/1975 Temple 5 24 Richard Jefferson G 6-7 225 06/21/1980 Arizona 4 43 Linton Johnson III F 6-8 225 06/13/1980 Tulane 2 5 Jason Kidd - C G 6-4 210 03/23/1973 California 11 12 Nenad Krstic C 7-0 240 07/25/1983 Serbia & Montenegro 1 0 Jeff McInnis G 6-4 179 10/22/1974 North Carolina 8 31 Lamond Murray F 6-7 235 04/20/1973 California 10 34 Scott Padgett F 6-9 240 04/19/1976 Kentucky 6 10 Zoran Planinic G-F 6-7 200 09/12/1982 Croatia 2 30 Clifford Robinson F-C 6-10 240 12/16/1966 Connecticut 16 11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 02/11/1975 Kansas 8 21 Antoine Wright G-F 6-7 210 02/06/1984 Texas A&M R Forget your "theory", there's the facts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">42 Tony Allen G 6-4 213 01/11/1982 Oklahoma State 1 20 Dan Dickau G 6-0 190 09/16/1978 Gonzaga 3 4 Ryan Gomes F 6-7 250 09/01/1982 Providence R 5 Gerald Green G-F 6-8 200 01/26/1986 Gulf Shores Academy (TX) R 0 Orien Greene G 6-4 208 02/04/1982 Louisiana-Lafayette R 7 Al Jefferson F 6-10 265 01/04/1985 Prentiss HS (MS) 1 Dwayne Jones F-C 6-11 250 06/09/1983 St. Joseph's (PA) R 45 Raef LaFrentz F 6-11 245 05/29/1976 Kansas 7 41 Michael Olowokandi C 7-0 270 04/03/1975 U. of Pacific 7 43 Kendrick Perkins C 6-10 280 11/10/1984 Clifton J. Ozen HS (TX) 2 34 Paul Pierce - C G 6-6 230 10/13/1977 Kansas 7 44 Brian Scalabrine F 6-9 235 03/18/1978 USC 4 55 Wally Szczerbiak F 6-7 244 03/05/1977 Miami (Ohio) 6 13 Delonte West G 6-4 180 07/26/1983 Saint Joseph's 1 NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS 15 Vince Carter F 6-6 220 01/26/1977 North Carolina 7 35 Jason Collins F-C 7-0 255 12/02/1978 Stanford 4 44 Marc Jackson C-F 6-10 253 01/16/1975 Temple 5 24 Richard Jefferson G 6-7 225 06/21/1980 Arizona 4 43 Linton Johnson III F 6-8 225 06/13/1980 Tulane 2 5 Jason Kidd - C G 6-4 210 03/23/1973 California 11 12 Nenad Krstic C 7-0 240 07/25/1983 Serbia & Montenegro 1 0 Jeff McInnis G 6-4 179 10/22/1974 North Carolina 8 31 Lamond Murray F 6-7 235 04/20/1973 California 10 34 Scott Padgett F 6-9 240 04/19/1976 Kentucky 6 10 Zoran Planinic G-F 6-7 200 09/12/1982 Croatia 2 30 Clifford Robinson F-C 6-10 240 12/16/1966 Connecticut 16 11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 02/11/1975 Kansas 8 21 Antoine Wright G-F 6-7 210 02/06/1984 Texas A&M R Forget your "theory", there's the facts.</div> lmao...ok let me believe that. Lets just ignore the fact that Richard Jefferson is the starting SF on the New Jersey Nets and Carter is listed as the starting SG of the Nets, playing in the backcourt with Kidd. Unless, the broadcasts make an error every night. Let us also ignore that Pierce was the starting SF for the Celtics with Ricky Davis starting at the two. Unless...you believe Ricky Davis was actually starting at SF at 6'5. Pierce: listed as Forward as Forward on All-Star Ballot Carter: listed as Guard on All-Star Ballot I did mention that Carter and Pierce play both the GF so it doesn't really matter...but since youlike look at players posistions Let us look at the boxscore of a recent Celtics-Nets game. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260121017 Facts...but hey...whatever makes you sleep at night...
Hmmmmmm, well, every Nets game I go to must have an audio problem in the PA announcers microphone. Email me your address and I'll send you a plane ticket, you can come sit behind the bench with me sometime. I get back to the States in mid March, so, uuummmmm, yeah there's a few games left to the season after that. You 21? Beers and dogs are on me!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Some of you need to realise It's more about wins than just talent and stats.</div> Then how about Robert Horry for an all star? How would you explain that?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Then how about Robert Horry for an all star? How would you explain that?</div> Is Robert Horry helping lead his team to wins? no, so really that was stupid for even bringing him up. Guys that produce on great teams will get credit and rewarded.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Is Robert Horry helping lead his team to wins? no, so really that was stupid for even bringing him up. Guys that produce on great teams will get credit and rewarded.</div> I understand that, but 3 Pistons? Why do you have a PF that avgs 15 and 6 over someone who is leading the NBA in rebounding and is scoring 15 ppg and shooting a much higher % from the floor? I know Sheed is a big part of your team, but he doesn't deserve to be an allstar over Dwight Howard, IMO. Again, hopefully Dwight takes this as him being snubbed and will work even harder. Honestly the last 20-25 games(yes I'm biased as hell) I could see Dwight avg near 20 ppg and 12 boards, kinda like Amare did at the end of his 2nd year.
Why the hell is Pierce a "surprise pick"?? that doesnt make any sense. the guy is an elite player. 25.7 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 4.5 apg and shooting .473% thats 40 points higher than Arenas. Arenas deserves to be there too but not over Pierce. Pierce would have been a ludricrous snub had he not been picked regardless of what his teams record is. Pierce is the ONLY player in the NBA to be leading his team in points, rebounds and assists
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Is Robert Horry helping lead his team to wins? no, so really that was stupid for even bringing him up. Guys that produce on great teams will get credit and rewarded.</div> Hah you said it's more about wins so I brought Robert Horry up. Isn't he the one that has the most rings among the active players? Oh and he didn't contribute to his team to wins? How about all the clutch shots he made? That's NOT contributing? What exactly is contributing then??? Rasheed isn't leading his team to wins with 15 and 6, is he? It's Ben and the two guards. Sure he plays good defense, knocks down threes but there are many others who could replace Rasheed and Pistons would still dominate.
