<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Hah you said it's more about wins so I brought Robert Horry up. Isn't he the one that has the most rings among the active players? Oh and he didn't contribute to his team to wins? How about all the clutch shots he made? That's NOT contributing? What exactly is contributing then??? Rasheed isn't leading his team to wins with 15 and 6, is he? It's Ben and the two guards. Sure he plays good defense, knocks down threes but there are many others who could replace Rasheed and Pistons would still dominate.</div> It should of been obvious what I was talking about, to get in the ASG game when you have good stats when you have plenty of wins you will clearly get more credit and be given an all-star spot. Robert Horry is known as a clutch player who can shoot the three, rebound and play defense but he has never had very good stats throughout his career. He is a great role player and a winner. So no he has never contributed all-star type numbers or good numbers. Sheed has led the Pistons to quite a few wins this league with his big time shooting, rebounding and defense. Games against the Spurs and Heat come to mind. Oh and no no one can really replace what Sheed brings to the Pistons. He is far more than just stats. Like Ben Is. Should Sheed of really made the all-star team? maybe no in terms of overall but he is the best fit If you are looking at the east who are in need of another big man to deal with the west big guns. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I understand that, but 3 Pistons? Why do you have a PF that avgs 15 and 6 over someone who is leading the NBA in rebounding and is scoring 15 ppg and shooting a much higher % from the floor? I know Sheed is a big part of your team, but he doesn't deserve to be an allstar over Dwight Howard, IMO.</div> I agree in a way, Dwight's problem is that he isn't on a top team and to make the all-star team when you are on a bad team you have to be over 20 points per game unless you are some kind of defensive force. Dwight will likely make It next year where his scoring offense should increase.
He better not play them all at the same time, Shaq will own this game...watch. I don't think Sheed deserved it over Howard, also look out for Chris Bosh to have a great game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> I agree in a way, Dwight's problem is that he isn't on a top team and to make the all-star team when you are on a bad team you have to be over 20 points per game unless you are some kind of defensive force. Dwight will likely make It next year where his scoring offense should increase.</div> I figured leading the league in rebounds would be good enough with 15 ppg.
I hope Arenas just goes in and jacks, and I hope he gets more than just garbage minutes, though I don't see it likely.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Hmmmmmm, well, every Nets game I go to must have an audio problem in the PA announcers microphone.</div> Must be.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">I figured leading the league in rebounds would be good enough with 15 ppg. </div> It would be If he was on a good team. Believe It or not Bosh's over 20 average is more of a reason he made It. People don't seem to respect rebounding as much as scoring which is a shame.
Good match today. Sheed 26 and 9 and 2 blocks on 10-21 shooting, while Dwight went 19 and 17 and 3 blocks on 9-13 shooting.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">Good match today. Sheed 26 and 9 and 2 blocks on 10-21 shooting, while Dwight went 19 and 17 and 3 blocks on 9-13 shooting.</div> Dude i know you've been complaining about howard being snubbed, but he'll have his time. right now he's still really raw, and is really only mostly known for his rebounding. Sheed if he wanted could average more than 20 points, but he plays in a system where he has to limit himself in exchange for the good of the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Johnnybrasco:</div><div class="quote_post">Dude i know you've been complaining about howard being snubbed, but he'll have his time. right now he's still really raw, and is really only mostly known for his rebounding. Sheed if he wanted could average more than 20 points, but he plays in a system where he has to limit himself in exchange for the good of the team.</div> I know he will get his time. Sheed could avg more than 20 pts with a different system, but he doesn't play in a different system. Dwight could avg over 20 to if he avg over 11 shots a game, but he doesn't. It's just what ifs, which means you need to look at their stats. Dwight is better overall in stats. I'm not hating on Sheed, he's a great player and I love watching him play, I'm just saying his stats don't deserve to get on the team over Dwight. If all star games were about winning, then it would be the Pistons vs. Mavs. Allstar games are about stats, which to me gives Dwight the advantage over Sheed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">Allstar games are about stats</div> Stats are important, but are far from the only important factors in selection. Stephon Marbury and Sam Cassell have very similar numbers to Chauncey Billups. Does that mean they're just as deserving despite the fact we all know Billups has clearly had a better year than both?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dude i know you've been complaining about howard being snubbed, but he'll have his time. right now he's still really raw, and is really only mostly known for his rebounding. Sheed if he wanted could average more than 20 points, but he plays in a system where he has to limit himself in exchange for the good of the team.</div> He could? So what happened in Portland when he was the #1 scoring option and never averaged more than 19 PPG? Why did they move him in favour of Zach Randolph? Sheed is not that good a scorer, I can respect his man to man defense, and shooting ability for a big, but outside of that, he's not that great at anything else.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Dwight Howard should be there.</div> Sorry but I just don't see how Howard is an all-star. If he wasn't as good as a rebounder he is now people wouldn't even consider him at all. How does rebounding make you an all-star?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting raptors4life:</div><div class="quote_post"> How does rebounding make you an all-star?</div> same way scoring makes you an all star? i could understand not seeing dwight as an all star if he was scoring less than double figures but 15 ppg i very formidable. Jason Kidd has been an all star many times but hes usually right around 15 ppg. He makes it as much for his passing as his scoring. Assists and rebounds help your team win just as much as scoring does becuase they lead to scoring (or preventing the other team from scoring)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jerry West:</div><div class="quote_post">Stats are important, but are far from the only important factors in selection. Stephon Marbury and Sam Cassell have very similar numbers to Chauncey Billups. Does that mean they're just as deserving despite the fact we all know Billups has clearly had a better year than both?</div> I definetely agree with you there. Winning should be a tiebreaker, but not take you over a more deserving guy. Here's their stats. (Btw, Sheed just tied Dwight in pts with his 26 pts game last night against the Magic) <u>Rasheed Wallace</u>- 15.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.14 spg, 1.61 bpg, 43.6 FG%, 73.3 FT%, 37.7 3pt % <u>Dwight Howard-</u> 15.3 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 1.4 apg, .79 spg, 1.58 bpg, 51.7 FG%, 60.8 FT%, 0 3pt% Sheed leads in 6 categories to Dwight in only 3. For a PF though, this is how I would rate the categories.... Most important PPG RPG BPG FG% ---------- Sorta important FT% SPG --------- Not really important APG 3pt% Dwight is 2-1-1 over Sheed in the 4 most important categories(the Main ones for a PF). APG and 3 pt% are not important for a PF and SPG and FT% aren't that important either to judge a PF's ability. I would still give the Dwight the edge based on these stats.
howard doesnt deserve a spot on the team, he'll have his years, i garantee it (spellings really bad).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting raptors4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry but I just don't see how Howard is an all-star. If he wasn't as good as a rebounder he is now people wouldn't even consider him at all. <u>How does rebounding make you an all-star</u>?</div> Why is Big Ben there? His scoring and FT shooting? Probably not. A dominant rebounder is just as important as a dominant scorer, and I agree that Dwight should be there over Rasheed. So should Mike Redd and Jason Kidd. Dwight is an absolute beast on the glass, and while Rasheed is a useful, very solid player, he does not dominate anything the way Howard does the boards. I'm not worried for Dwight, though; pretty soon he's going to be putting up Tim Duncan numbers and starting in the All Star game so we won't have to argue about this anymore
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm not worried for Dwight, though; pretty soon he's going to be putting up Tim Duncan numbers and starting in the All Star game so we won't have to argue about this anymore </div> It really looks like Howard's future is bright, but when people start to use that as an excuse for him not making the All-Star game, there's a problem. I hear people say the same thing about Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony, or on the flip side, they'll apply the same logic to Jason Kidd. They'll say, "So what if he doesn't make it? He's been to the All-Star game almost every year for the last decade. It's not going to kill his career to miss one." You shouldn't just make the All-Star game when it's convenient though. You should make it when you deserve it, and this season Howard, Paul, Anthony, and Kidd all deserved it, whether or not it'll matter for anything once their careers are over.
