I feel the Pistons are mildly overrated. I mean they are what like 4 games ahead of Dallas, and the quest for 72 is over. Yet Dallas gets 1 All-star to Detroits 4! Sheed did not deserve it, and Rip is highly debatable.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel the Pistons are mildly overrated. I mean they are what like 4 games ahead of Dallas, and the quest for 72 is over. Yet Dallas gets 1 All-star to Detroits 4! Sheed did not deserve it, and Rip is highly debatable.</div> You keep forgetting the coaches voted when the Pistons had a bigger lead than they currently do. 2nd of all the 3 main all-stars, Billups, Ben and Rip all have very good numbers while Dallas only has Dirk with great numbers while Terry and Howard have numbers abit like Sheed's. However they are in the west where It is far more tougher to get a place mainly in the forward department. coaches are rewarding a team with an amazing record. No one should be surprised.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2nd of all the 3 main all-stars, Billups, Ben and Rip all have very good numbers while Dallas only has Dirk with great numbers while Terry and Howard have numbers abit like Sheed's. However they are in the west where It is far more tougher to get a place mainly in the forward department.</div> Jason Terry is not a forward, he is their PG. Terry is averaging 4 ppg less than Rip by the way. I know we can't compare the two because they're in different conferences though. But how can the coaches be so hypocritcal in voting in so many winning players, and then going along and voting Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. I mean make up your minds. Is it for the stats or wins? For the record Howard and Terry's stats are better than Sheeds. Although it's a moot point.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">You keep forgetting the coaches voted when the Pistons had a bigger lead than they currently do. 2nd of all the 3 main all-stars, Billups, Ben and Rip all have very good numbers while Dallas only has Dirk with great numbers while Terry and Howard have numbers abit like Sheed's. However they are in the west where It is far more tougher to get a place mainly in the forward department. coaches are rewarding a team with an amazing record. No one should be surprised.</div> Why shouldn't we be surprised that a role player was admitted into the All-Star game just because of the team he plays for? You act like this kind of thing happens all the time. Howcome Toni Kukoc was never an All-Star, nor Longley, Kerr, or Harper? Not only were Kukoc's numbers better than Wallace's, but he was playing on possibly the greatest team in NBA history. Wallace arguably isn't even playing on the greatest team in the NBA this season. You can even bring Dennis Rodman into this and make an argument that Ben Wallace shouldn't be on the team. Rodman played with the Bulls from '95 to '98, and in that time period, Rodman's rebounding averages were 14.9 rpg, 16.1 rpg, and 15.0 rpg respectively. Even though, like I said earlier, that team was possibly the greatest in NBA history, Rodman never made the All-Star team as a Bull. I'm not trying to confuse things by starting a Kukoc vs. R.Wallace or Rodman vs. B.Wallace debate, but the point is that players with just 'good' numbers on great teams haven't exactly been rewarded the same way in the past as they are today, and there's no good reason to all of a sudden start changing the way players are selected for the game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But how can the coaches be so hypocritcal in voting in so many winning players, and then going along and voting Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. I mean make up your minds. Is it for the stats or wins?</div> If your stats are too good to pass up then they make It. Some guys get It, some don't. There are bound to be snubbs. Guys like Bosh and Pierce's stats were too good for the coaches to pass up. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Why shouldn't we be surprised that a role player was admitted into the All-Star game just because of the team he plays for? You act like this kind of thing happens all the time. Howcome Toni Kukoc was never an All-Star, nor Longley, Kerr, or Harper? Not only were Kukoc's numbers better than Wallace's, but he was playing on possibly the greatest team in NBA history. Wallace arguably isn't even playing on the greatest team in the NBA this season. You can even bring Dennis Rodman into this and make an argument that Ben Wallace shouldn't be on the team. Rodman played with the Bulls from '95 to '98, and in that time period, Rodman's rebounding averages were 14.9 rpg, 16.1 rpg, and 15.0 rpg respectively. Even though, like I said earlier, that team was possibly the greatest in NBA history, Rodman never made the All-Star team as a Bull. I'm not trying to confuse things by starting a Kukoc vs. R.Wallace or Rodman vs. B.Wallace debate, but the point is that players with just 'good' numbers on great teams haven't exactly been rewarded the same way in the past as they are today, and there's no good reason to all of a sudden start changing the way players are selected for the game.</div> Times have changed as has the way of thinking when It comes to selections, back then It was clear who the two main guns were for the Bulls. Kukoc came off the bench and to have a bench player as an all-star would of been unheard Of. Kukoc had a couple 18 point seasons in Chicago. However he was mostly a 12-13 point player and didn't do the other things Sheed does. Sheed made the all-star team not purely on stats but his impact in games which is higher than what Kukoc brought. Although I would say the year Kukoc averaged 18, 7 and 5 he should of gotten more credit than he did. Those numbers might of gotten him in this year but the standard of play has changed alot since those days. So It's not fair to compare the guys from the Bulls days to the onces of today. As for Rodman, he likely would of made the all-star team but his image held him back almost every year. He was a deserving all-star but his off-court problems hurt him when It came to all-star games. The past few years teams with great records have gotten rewarded with all-star players. Suns had 3 last year while having a great record. Manu made the team with just a 16 point per game average because of what his team was doing. 4 Pistons this year where Sheed gets In with 15 and 6 numbers. It's starting to pan out that way where teams with great records get more all-stars. Obviously they need to have to put up good numbers and or have a good impact on the game defensively.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> coaches are rewarding a team with an amazing record. No one should be surprised.</div> What about Tayshaun, they left him off. They might as well just do Mavericks against Pistons, because that's what EVERYONE want to see anyway, since all anyone cares about is wins.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kukoc came off the bench and to have a bench player as an all-star would of been unheard Of.</div> Actually it happened even before Kukoc's Bull's days. I dont remember the year, I'd have to go look it up, but I wanna say around '93 or '94, Chris Gatling made the All-Star team with the Warriors as the 6th man. I know there are some people on the board here who will remember that! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's starting to pan out that way where teams with great records get more all-stars. Obviously they need to have to put up good numbers and or have a good impact on the game defensively.</div> Which is crap. I'm all for maybe a couple guys on a winning team, however, I beleive the "popularity" of voting, and the leagues attempt to "reward" playing the "right way" is a publicity thing. Coaches included. A lot of times, it's not a players fault if his team is really ass. He does all he can, puts up All-Star numbers, and should be rewarded as such. If GM surrounds a team with a bunch of average DLeague talent, but that guy shines, he should get hosed. No. He should only be left off if there are MORE DESERVING PLAYERS. Ray Allen you say. Ok, Seattle sucks this season, but who deserves, at the guard spot, to go over him? Not Manu, not Terry, MAYBE Chris Paul (if you want 3 PG's on the squad) but no one else. Same thing with Carmelo and KG. KG will always get rebounds over Melo, but the season he has had, the numbers he has put up, on a FIRST PLACE team (where's the reward for being on a winning team there!!!!!), and holding them afloat through Camby and K-Mart being hurt off and on. And in the East, who, at the center position, should go over Big Ben? Thats how you have to look at it. As far as Rasheed? You could argue for Dwight Howard (leading the league in boards AND putting up the EXACT SAME PPG) One could even point out Antawn Jamison (who made it last year) and also trumps Sheed in scoring AND rebounding. It's not an exact science. But seeing as there are so many masters of the craft here on JBB....lol. Lemme write a petition to Mr. Stern and maybe he'll let us chose the squads next season. Starters and all. I'm thinking we could probably do a better job wouldnt you say?????????
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As for Rodman, he likely would of made the all-star team but his image held him back almost every year. He was a deserving all-star but his off-court problems hurt him when It came to all-star games.</div> Rodman's off-the-court image probably isn't what kept him out of the All-Star game. He was a badass, but he was a fan favorite and was almost as big of a celebrity as Michael Jordan. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> Times have changed as has the way of thinking when It comes to selections,......Although I would say the year Kukoc averaged 18, 7 and 5 he should of gotten more credit than he did. Those numbers might of gotten him in this year but the standard of play has changed alot since those days. </div> That's exactly what I'm saying. Why have they changed? For fifty years only the league's top players made the All-Star games, and now this season all of a sudden that honors given to role players on good teams? You're perfectly okay with the "standard of play" changing? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The past few years teams with great records have gotten rewarded with all-star players. Suns had 3 last year while having a great record. Manu made the team with just a 16 point per game average because of what his team was doing. 4 Pistons this year where Sheed gets In with 15 and 6 numbers. It's starting to pan out that way where teams with great records get more all-stars. Obviously they need to have to put up good numbers and or have a good impact on the game defensively.</div> The Suns had three players. That's a lot different than a record-setting four, especially considering that each player was actually putting up All-Star caliber numbers. The weakest of the three statistically was probably Amare Stoudamire, and he was averaging 26 ppg and 9 rpg. That's a hell of a lot different than 15 ppg and 6 rpg. Manu Ginobili is the only player I can think of in recent memory who has gotten into the All-Star game with mediocre stats, and I was strongly against that selection at the time as well. Outside of Ginobili though, who do you have? Tony Parker never made the All-Star game until this season, Richard Jefferson never made the All-Star team during the Net's reign over the East, Latrell Sprewell didn't make the All-Star team when he was averaging 17/4/4 for the #1 seeded Timberwolves, Mike Bibby has played for a lot of great teams and never made the All-Star game, etc.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That's exactly what I'm saying. Why have they changed? For fifty years only the league's top players made the All-Star games, and now this season all of a sudden that honors given to role players on good teams? You're perfectly okay with the "standard of play" changing?</div> I honestly can't explain It, coaches seem to reward guys more often now. Many people in the media and all the guys on TNT have been pushing for all 5 Pistons to make the all-star team. So maybe that played a factor, who knows. I happy that 4 Pistons will be in the game but I have never really cared that much about the all-star game. It never is much of a game. It's good to see all the stars play and really as a fan you want to see the best players in the league out there. Sheed's impact has been huge this year, more than people know. He has been better than he was a year ago but I wouldn't of voted him in If I was a coach. Guys like Dwight would of been the better pick as he has been a monster and deserves It. I have no problems with the other Pistons as they have all put up legit numbers. Sheed making It to me was more down to the lack of big men in the east team. He would be a logical choice considering his rep and what he has done in this league with the Pistons.
