if we can somehow get rid of eric williams, and get tim thomas (doesnt work straight up according to realgm's trade checker) but if somehow we could do that...we'd have SO much cap space this summer...more then enough to extend bosh, resign james, and go after a center of some kind...maybe nene, pryzbilla or someone. to top it all off...he might even be able to contribute to our team... anyone think this is possible? thoughts? opinions?
I doubt the Bulls would settle on a player of Eric Williams' calibre. That expiring contract could get them a lot more than that. We'd probably have to include a 1st round draft pick if we wanted to seriously go after him.
thats what i would have thought. but they might be starting to entertain more offers because they seem to be unable to move him. i mean, he's been on the block ALL season. a trade scenerio that worked out according to realgm's trade checker looked like this: toronto gets: jamaal magloire tim thomas wilwaukee gets: eric williams loren woods chicago gets: joey graham probably some draft pics or somethin would have to be included somewhere...but if thats just an idea to get started. if we could get mags in that deal, it would solidify our center situation...AND we'd have thomas' contract comming off the books...so we could resign james, and go after another free agent sf, plus extend bosh. i could be dreaming here...just tryin to get somethin goin though
I seriously doubt Chicago or Milwaukee would do that, and i doubt it works contract wise.. Since Joey's contract is like 1.5 to 2 mill and Tim Thomas's is like 13 million while Magloire is around 8 mill and Loren Woods is like 800 000 and Eric is around 4.. so if you add those totals together Raptors give up about 7 million + if u include that Aaron Williams trade exception we got which is like 3 million it turns out to be 10 mill to 12 mill while the Raptors recieve 21 mill.. there's a 9 to 10 mill difference in contracts so i doubt it will work. Edit - However if you throw in Antonio Davis, it's a possibility it will work.
I see what you're trying to do, but your stretching it wayy too much. The two best parts of that 3-way deal are going to us, which never happens. The Bulls don't seem to be like the Knicks with their expiring contract, in that they seem just as content with using the cap space to bring someone in. With Eric Williams, I only see us getting a couple second round picks, at most.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">I see what you're trying to do, but your stretching it wayy too much. The two best parts of that 3-way deal are going to us, which never happens. The Bulls don't seem to be like the Knicks with their expiring contract, in that they seem just as content with using the cap space to bring someone in. With Eric Williams, I only see us getting a couple second round picks, at most.</div>
i realize im stretching...im just trying to throw something out there to get ideas comming in. i realize thats an unrealistic trade...but i was hoping someone could expand on it...not just tell me that it wont happen lol
Milwaukee trades Magloire for Williams and Woods? Their twin tower combo with Bogut and Magloire is being instrumental in helping them win games right now, and although Gadzuric and Joe Smith are doing great off the bench, I doubt the Bucks will settle for such a talent drop-off.
ugh...man....once again, i realize that what i posted wasnt realistic...i was just throwing ideas out there, hoping people would maybe build on it. should have guessed all id get is critisizm...thats what you get around here for trying to start up some dialogue. so far...nobody has posted their opinion about getting thomas' contract, any ideas for getting it, or if they think its possible...all thats happend was people picked apart my trade idea, which i even said was just "an idea to get things started". jesus...forget i even asked.
Who are we going to give up? Eric Williams and .... ... That's bout it. Nobody else is really tradeable with a "big" contract (Alvin Williams is not tradeable). Why do we need him anyways? He's 28 and isn't looking to play on a team like the Raptors, plus I'm not much of a fan of his game anyways. He'll have an individual goal in Toronto, and that will be to increase his value heading in the Free Agency. I know the goal is to acquire his expiring contract, but we don't have much to offer asides from Eric Williams, and a straight up trade like that doens't work at all. We would be much better standing pat right now and look to resign Mike James during the offseason, and give Bosh his max before next years contract deadline.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">ugh...man....once again, i realize that what i posted wasnt realistic...i was just throwing ideas out there, hoping people would maybe build on it. should have guessed all id get is critisizm...thats what you get around here for trying to start up some dialogue. so far...nobody has posted their opinion about getting thomas' contract, any ideas for getting it, or if they think its possible...all thats happend was people picked apart my trade idea, which i even said was just "an idea to get things started". jesus...forget i even asked.</div> Didn't mean to ignore your original intent to start some discussion, but it's highly impossible we can get Thomas's contract without giving up multiple players. Antonio Davis isn't going anywhere and even if we use our TE gained from the Aaron Williams trade, we'd still need to give up about $10 million in contracts. That would mean a guy like Mo Pete would have to be included. No one on this team makes that much for us to be able to absorb Thomas's contract. The cap space will be very enticing though...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post"> The cap space will be very enticing though...</div> it really is...thats why im lookin for a way to get it. we'd really have something to build with if we had it. alvin's contract is really holding us back. maybe we can offer him a buyout or something..that'd be almost as good as thomas, in the respect it would give us lots of money to spend this off season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting i-eat-nets:</div><div class="quote_post">i don't want alvin leaving though, and anyways why do we need tim thomas?</div> alvin is not doing anything for us he is just wasting our cap space i would love to see alvin either traded or an arrangment for a buy-out to occur
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting i-eat-nets:</div><div class="quote_post">i don't want alvin leaving though, and anyways why do we need tim thomas?</div> you'd rather have alvin's huge contract eating away at our cap space, while he doesnt see a minute of clock? and we dont NEED tim thomas...but he's a free agent at the end of the season, and he's got a huge contract...if his contract and AD's contract both came off our cap, we'd have TONS of room to sign some good players
We'll already have the cap space to resign Bosh, and with A.D. off the books at the end of the season We'll have more than enough Cap space to resign Mike James(if that is a direction the raps decide to go) and another higher level F.A. (aka pryz) <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if his contract and AD's contract both came off our cap, we'd have TONS of room to sign some good players</div> From what I've seen Other than a few names, there really won't be a great crop of F.A. this summer.
Chicago won't be parting ways with TT any time soon as far as my knowledge goes. They have full intentions on keeping him at home and doing nothing, which is exactly what he should do, while his contract expires and they pull off $15mil in cap space.
^^^^unfortunatly, the damn Bulls are contemplating waiving him. I'd love to see Chicago keep him, let his contract expire and use that cap space. Right now, Chicago is looking at almost $20 mil in cap space next season, as well as 2 Lottery picks (our unprotected pick from NY, looking to be Top 3) and as of tonight, our own. I'm thinking Chicago will pull that 8th spot, however, even if they do, you're still looking at a Top 3 and probably No. 15. Sorry my neighbors to the North, but, NO DEAL!
