Cavs anything but desperate (Fish on the block?)

Don't want Ratliff unless they take Foyle. No sense in having a logjam at center and taking minutes away from AB.

Another guy that is supposedly available is Cato. Trouble is he's injured and may not be able to play anytime soon.

The Pistons want a backup point guard and are vying for a dynasty the next several years. All they have to do is make minor adjustments. Lindsey Hunter is 35 and if Billups goes down, they're in trouble. They're going to be in or near lux tax land when they re-sign Ben and Billups, so the cap shouldn't be a major concern.

Sooooooo maybe Mullin can talk Dumars into taking Fish for Cato (expiring contract) and that 2007 pick they got from ORL. Detroit is supposedly offering Cato's contract for Brevin Knight, Watson and the other PGs out there with short contracts.

Fish is our starting PG right now and will get good shots off in Flip Saunders' offense. He is versatile and can also play combo guard. Plus the man has three rings!!!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DutchWarriorFan:</div><div class="quote_post">What about Francisco Elson, he plays for a minimum contract in Denver i think. But he becomes a free agent and i guess his stock is rising, since he started over the injured Camby.</div>

We probably have to give up a rookie for him and since Nene is injured and Camby is injury prone, he'll probably be in use.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't want Ratliff unless they take Foyle. No sense in having a logjam at center and taking minutes away from AB.

Another guy that is supposedly available is Cato. Trouble is he's injured and may not be able to play anytime soon.

The Pistons want a backup point guard and are vying for a dynasty the next several years. All they have to do is make minor adjustments. Lindsey Hunter is 35 and if Billups goes down, they're in trouble. They're going to be in or near lux tax land when they re-sign Ben and Billups, so the cap shouldn't be a major concern.

Sooooooo maybe Mullin can talk Dumars into taking Fish for Cato (expiring contract) and that 2007 pick they got from ORL. Detroit is supposedly offering Cato's contract for Brevin Knight, Watson and the other PGs out there with short contracts.

Fish is our starting PG right now and will get good shots off in Flip Saunders' offense. He is versatile and can also play combo guard. Plus the man has three rings!!!</div>
What's the waiting period on trading for Cato? Well, it's not like it matters anyway because the Pistons want to use Cato for salary cap relief so they can re-sign Ben Wallace.

I don't think Dfish has a short contract or is what Dumars is looking for in terms of flexibility. He's pretty overpaid as well just like Adonal Foyle. It's why fans are questioning Mullin's financial sense. Maybe it was the product of poor leverage with sports agents, but he overpaid Dunleavy too and chose him over Pietrus. So many fans just think Mullin is crazy or Cohan is giving him an unlimited budget. Dumars wouldn't take any contract like Fisher's when Billups is due for an extension in not too long. That's the Warriors dilemma right now. We've only got leverage if we give up our future (draft picks and rookie scale contracts), but we've got no leverage in signing free agents or offering up expiring contracts like Dale Davis.

Part of the reason teams like the Pistons/Spurs win is they're well managed financially so they can make the moves without having to do drastic salary dumps or wait several years until they can. They've always got some leverage and some flexibility left to do the short term things and not screw up the long term things.

 

Yep -- it's baffling when they can have Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker, and still go out and get guys like Mohammed and Finley.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Yep -- it's baffling when they can have Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker, and still go out and get guys like Mohammed and Finley.</div>

Depth. Finley got signed the MLE while Dallas has to pay the remainder of the original contract that they waived under the salary tax amnesty.

Mohammed was an important piece to have and his contract isn't that bad. He's a solid rebounder when healthy and staying out of foul trouble.

BTW it was Kwan that was the most skeptical of our financial situation two years ago and damn he's been dead on in terms of analyzing what the future might bring. I'm getting nervous because Cohan will ultimately decide the budget.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">What's the waiting period on trading for Cato? Well, it's not like it matters anyway because the Pistons want to use Cato for salary cap relief so they can re-sign Ben Wallace.</div>

I think Cato can be traded immediately by himself. Fish and Cheaney for Cato would work and Detroit gets some cap relief when Cheaney's contract expires.

No doubt Fish's contract will make Dumars think twice, but Mullin has to convince him that Fish is the guy who can put that dynasty together. Fish is versatile. He can back up Rip and become the next Lindsey Hunter.

I heard Dumars wanted Jameer Nelson in addition to Cato, but then Nelson got hurt and the Magic weren't sure if Francis would be traded or not. The Pistons getting the 2007 pick sweetened the deal and made it work.

Mullin has got to have his head examined. Giving Dun his contract before this season made absolutely no sense. After Calbert's contract expires, then we can sign our one draft pick and then we're the New York Knicks West.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Yep -- it's baffling when they can have Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker, and still go out and get guys like Mohammed and Finley.</div>

Instead of re-signing Foyle, I wished Mullin got Kurt Thomas and Nazr from the Knicks for Dampier. I think he turned Isiah Thomas' proposal down because of some overpriced contract he had.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">Instead of re-signing Foyle, I wished Mullin got Kurt Thomas and Nazr from the Knicks for Dampier. I think he turned Isiah Thomas' proposal down because of some overpriced contract he had.</div>

Just remebering that gives me message board diarrhea.

 

1. Keep Dampier for around 10 years/7 years and let Foyle go
2. Keep Foyle for 8 mils/5 years and let Dampier go
3. Let both go and get Thomas and Nazr

Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but answer 2 didn't look good when the signing happened, and it seems like it's the worst answer among three.

I am still believe Dunleavy extension was the worst one Mullin made. We went over how unnecessary Dunleavy's extension was over and over. Now, Pietrus, who we probably can't keep because of Dunleavy's extension, is starting over Dunleavy, Dunleavy could have been resigned much cheaper in this salary-stripped club, and to make things worse, we could have gotten Artest, if it weren't for Dunleavy's ridiculous extension. Ever since Mullin traded Jamison for Dunleavy, Mullin put a lot of chips on Dunleavy, and so far his gamble failed miserably...

 

I agree with Kwan, almost totally. Not sure about Dampier over Foyle. It's a wash to me. We'd probably have to figure out how to jettison both down the stretch especially salary and skill wise. I think just maybe... just maybe Dampier would be better with us than in a Dallas offense that lacks a true point guard. At least other teams can believe that Dampier will be a threat in the post and he does a better job of getting offensive rebounds than anybody on our entire team. He got paid the max though... damn that is just an equally bad contract as Foyle's. Foyle at least comes off in 5 and hasn't had questionable effort.