I've noticed a lot - a ton, actually - of hatred towards Nate Robinson himself on this board. Everyone sporting the Andre Iguodala 'ROBBED' sig is guilty of it: You're hating the MAN, not the JUDGES. When you guys say that Andre got robbed, you're demeaning Nate, and it's extremely unfair. He put on a great show (as did Iggy), and frankly, they both deserved to win. It's hard for me to come straight out and say that the majority of you are blinded by the fact that you're jealous of such a tremendous athlete, because that's obviously not the case; Andre had some amazing dunks, as did Robinson. This is an unfair, stereotypical comment that I'm sure I will regret ever saying: I find it funny that a dozen black basketball players can't figure out what a total score is when six digits are put up in their faces. Kobe Bryant, as I watched him trying to use the mathematical part of his brain which he seemingly lacks, struggled for what seemed like minutes... 10 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 = ?? Kobe: Just subtract whatever is left of whatever number doesn't equal ten, and subtract if from 50. Notice how four numbers from that perfect score? 50 - 4 = ?? 46! OMFG! MUH BOI AI GOT ROBBED! That's neither here nor there... For the record, Nate is no taller than 5'7". If you guys actually believe he's any taller than that, you've got another thing coming. I'm not here to argue the fact that Andre didn't deserve to win, because as I said in one of the opening paragraphs, both he and Nate did. And for those who think Kenny Smith ripped Iggy of his title as Slam Dunk Champion, give me a break... If you take a second to look back at the tape and watch Smith decide whether he deserved an 8 or a 9 (or a 10, for that matter), it's obvious that he wasn't looking at the other judges and thinking, "OH! If I give Iggy anything but an 8 here, then Nate loses! In that case, I'll give Iggy an 8! I win!" To sum it all up, read the following points I've so willingly set aside for the haters to read (and the lovers to rejoice): -Don't hate Nate for winning. If you must hate anyone, hate Kenny Smith. Better yet, hate the constitution of the entire contest! -Don't thinking, for one second, that Nate wasn't at a disadvantage. If you are at loss for words over this whole ordeal, remember how tall Spud Webb's understudy is - 5'7"! Iggy is a monster compared to Nate, and if you can't see that this wasn't a tremendous feat for the little guy, then you're dead to me and half of the members at this board. To sum up (further), allow me to say that 1) I don't hate anyone for discounting Nate's victory. And 2) I don't hate those who are using the 'ROBBED' sig, although I wouldn't mind getting ahold of that PSD and tearing it to shreds in Photoshop. I'm not here to argue. I'm just telling my version of the truth.
if you read all my posts, i dont think ive ever bashed nate at all. ive only bashed the judges, mainly rudy t. i dont believe it was nate's fault, because the judges detirmine the outcome of the contest. i by no way hate nate for anything, i just wished iggy would have won. if you were watching the contest, you could have seen that nate was surprised when they anounced the winner
Can you blame him? Andre put on a GREAT show, it's just that I'm more angry than happy for Nate at this point. To see Kobe Bryant on the sideline humping Iggy's leg the whole night... It was unnerving on a dispicable level.
Whatever man. I'm not taking anything away from Nate. But you really should have 14 missed attempts and still get anything higher than a friggin 40. I could care less how tall he is. I felt like I was watching Chris Anderson again. The new rule should be: 3-6 missed attempts = minus 1 point 7-10 missed attempts = minus 2 points Then no more attempts over 10.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting N4S:</div><div class="quote_post">Whatever man. I'm not taking anything away from Nate. But you really should have 14 missed attempts and still get anything higher than a friggin 40. I could care less how tall he is. I felt like I was watching Chris Anderson again. The new rule should be: 3-6 missed attempts = minus 1 point 7-10 missed attempts = minus 2 points Then no more attempts over 10.</div> Their should be a time limit.
Great ideas, guys. I'd have to say that a time limit would be more practical, but it needs to be leniant enough so that the contestants don't feel rushed. The bottom line is, for me anyway, that there isn't (at least not the last two years) a system that takes away from any dunker who takes a lot of attempts. Nate did, but you know what? That's not against the rules. Nothing against Iggy, though... I want that messaged to be conveyed clearly.
^ Understandable. I mean we know at one point Nate musta threw those dunks down in pratice where ever. So its not like he was trying to do something he never did. So thats my gripe about the whole thing is the attempt factor.
I see what you're saying about getting frustrated over the attempts, because believe me, I was even getting queezy watching him fail to throw that half-court spectacle down (that was crazy though, you've got to admit - for him to even think about doing that in one swift motion is just crazy). I had my U-Dub hoodie on the whole night, but took it off for the contest to wave around maniacally.
I haven't discounted Nate at all, rather I just argued how the league pretty much changed the rules for him, and how the judges pretty much handed him the title when he shouldn't have won it. What's done is done, and Nate is the champ, even though in a lot of people's minds it was Iguodala who should have won. It's not Nate's fault... rather it's the judges fault, and if anything needs to be done, the NBA needs to learn from this and revise the rules and the competition to prevent another travesty like this from occuring again.
^^and iggy's arent? iggy's got MAD hops too. supporting AI2 by having a "iggy got robbed" sig, hardly bashes nate...its more a slight towards the judges then anything. nate cant help that he stole it away from iggy...its the judges who screwed that one up. particularly the one who changed his vote on the last dunk dont get me wrong...nate's dunks were hot...but pretty anti-climactic when he's already been out there for 5 minutes missing over and over again
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bravest:</div><div class="quote_post">I've noticed a lot - a ton, actually - of hatred towards Nate Robinson himself on this board. Everyone sporting the Andre Iguodala 'ROBBED' sig is guilty of it: You're hating the MAN, not the JUDGES. When you guys say that Andre got robbed, you're demeaning Nate, and it's extremely unfair. He put on a great show (as did Iggy), and frankly, they both deserved to win. It's hard for me to come straight out and say that the majority of you are blinded by the fact that you're jealous of such a tremendous athlete, because that's obviously not the case; Andre had some amazing dunks, as did Robinson. <font color="Red">I agree with you here. People tend to take their frustrations out on the benefactor even when it wasn't the least bit their fault. </font> This is an unfair, stereotypical comment that I'm sure I will regret ever saying: I find it funny that a dozen black basketball players can't figure out what a total score is when six digits are put up in their faces. Kobe Bryant, as I watched him trying to use the mathematical part of his brain which he seemingly lacks, struggled for what seemed like minutes... 10 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 = ?? <font color="Red">If you knew you would regret it then why did you say it?! How do you know they struggled to do the math?! Please tell me you are black. Please.</font> Kobe: Just subtract whatever is left of whatever number doesn't equal ten, and subtract if from 50. Notice how four numbers from that perfect score? 50 - 4 = ?? 46! OMFG! MUH BOI AI GOT ROBBED! That's neither here nor there... <font color="Red">You are right. It is neither here nor there... yet you devote a whole paragraph to trying to portray how dumb (and black apparently) Kobe is. You are just as guilty of the hate you are talking about.</font> For the record, Nate is no taller than 5'7". If you guys actually believe he's any taller than that, you've got another thing coming. I'm not here to argue the fact that Andre didn't deserve to win, because as I said in one of the opening paragraphs, both he and Nate did. And for those who think Kenny Smith ripped Iggy of his title as Slam Dunk Champion, give me a break... If you take a second to look back at the tape and watch Smith decide whether he deserved an 8 or a 9 (or a 10, for that matter), it's obvious that he wasn't looking at the other judges and thinking, "OH! If I give Iggy anything but an 8 here, then Nate loses! In that case, I'll give Iggy an 8! I win!" To sum it all up, read the following points I've so willingly set aside for the haters to read (and the lovers to rejoice): -Don't hate Nate for winning. If you must hate anyone, hate Kenny Smith. Better yet, hate the constitution of the entire contest! -Don't thinking, for one second, that Nate wasn't at a disadvantage. If you are at loss for words over this whole ordeal, remember how tall Spud Webb's understudy is - 5'7"! Iggy is a monster compared to Nate, and if you can't see that this wasn't a tremendous feat for the little guy, then you're dead to me and half of the members at this board. To sum up (further), allow me to say that 1) I don't hate anyone for discounting Nate's victory. And 2) I don't hate those who are using the 'ROBBED' sig, although I wouldn't mind getting ahold of that PSD and tearing it to shreds in Photoshop. I'm not here to argue. I'm just telling my version of the truth.</div> Apart from the Kobe bashing and the black athletes not being able to do math comment I see where you are coming from.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">^^and iggy's arent? iggy's got MAD hops too. supporting AI2 by having a "iggy got robbed" sig, hardly bashes nate...its more a slight towards the judges then anything. nate cant help that he stole it away from iggy...its the judges who screwed that one up. particularly the one who changed his vote on the last dunk dont get me wrong...nate's dunks were hot...but pretty anti-climactic when he's already been out there for 5 minutes missing over and over again</div> Learn how to play basketball, Nate saved his best dunk for the Final, Iggy dunk was tight, maybe even the best of the night, but that was in the earlier, and what happened in the previous round doesn't count in the dunk off. Walk it off. Iggy ran out of ideas. The rules say you can get as many dunk attempts as you want, so stop hating, its the rule, live with it, don't be a crybaby. Nate was still creative in the sudden death, it had nothing to do with Nate's size that Iggy's last two attempts between the legs were basically the same. Iggy ran out of tricks late in the contest, he should have slammed it over Doctor J to win it. Fall back
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Learn how to play basketball, Nate saved his best dunk for the Final, Iggy dunk was tight, maybe even the best of the night, but that was in the earlier, and what happened in the previous round doesn't count in the dunk off. Walk it off. Iggy ran out of ideas. The rules say you can get as many dunk attempts as you want, so stop hating, its the rule, live with it, don't be a crybaby. Nate was still creative in the sudden death, it had nothing to do with Nate's size that Iggy's last two attempts between the legs were basically the same. Iggy ran out of tricks late in the contest, he should have slammed it over Doctor J to win it. Fall back</div> who's crying? learn how to accept someone who has a different opinion then yours. its called "debate". im not hating OR crying...i thought iggy's dunks were better then nate's. i fully understand the rule is that you get as many attempts as you want...doesnt change the fact that it took away from his dunks. its a rule that needs to be, and WILL be changed soon i think that iggy deserved to win...im not crying or hating...thats my opinion
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bravest:</div><div class="quote_post">This is an unfair, stereotypical comment that I'm sure I will regret ever saying: I find it funny that a dozen black basketball players can't figure out what a total score is when six digits are put up in their faces. Kobe Bryant, as I watched him trying to use the mathematical part of his brain which he seemingly lacks, struggled for what seemed like minutes... 10 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9 = ??</div> Dude, I really don't understand why you would say black basketball players, as opposed to basketball players in general. Sounded like you were saying that just for the sake of being controversial. You have the right to your own opinion on the dunk contest, but try not to bring race into the issue.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Learn how to play basketball, Nate saved his best dunk for the Final, Iggy dunk was tight, maybe even the best of the night, but that was in the earlier, and what happened in the previous round doesn't count in the dunk off. Walk it off. Iggy ran out of ideas. The rules say you can get as many dunk attempts as you want, so stop hating, its the rule, live with it, don't be a crybaby. Nate was still creative in the sudden death, it had nothing to do with Nate's size that Iggy's last two attempts between the legs were basically the same. Iggy ran out of tricks late in the contest, he should have slammed it over Doctor J to win it.</div> Wait a minute, I think you are the one who doesn't understand what the Iguodala supporters are arguing. You have came back with the same argument repeatedly, but fail to really refute the arguments that Iggy supporters have. Alright, once again: the rules do say that the dunker can have as many attempts to complete a dunk, we all know that. But what we also know is that the league eliminated the "two-attempt" rule THIS year... it was there in previous years. Jason Richardson missed a three-peat because he missed a between the legs 360 dunk twice in the final round, allowing Fred Jones to win the contest on a weak dunk. So, is it fair for the league to change the rules the same year the little guy is in it? No. How was Nate "more" creative than Iguodala in the dunk-off? Iggy ran out of ideas, but Nate's dunk was no more creative than Iguodala's. What made it creative? The fact that he put the ball between his legs twice before throwing the lob? That should not have been taken into account for the score. In the 90's, Michael Finley (or somebody else, I'm not 100% sure), lobbed it up, did a cartwheel, and dunked it. He was given bad scores... Nate was great, don't get me wrong, but he got extra points out of sympathy. Why? Not only because of his height (although the dunks he did were great), but because the judges felt sorry for him after he missed his dunks repeatedly, and still gave him high marks for watered down versions of his original attempt. So, all the BS about the judges not taking the misses into account should be thrown out the window. If they don't penalize him for it, they should not give him points for it as well. Next, nobody has a problem with Nate winning, what we have a problem with is the WAY he won. We have not been disrespectful to Nate's victory, but the bottom line is that the judges gave Nate the biggest gift of his NBA career in the dunk contest. There is no arguing that... even most of the Nate supporters I have talked to feel that way. I also still have not gotten a response from you as to how you can say all of Nate's dunks were more creative and original than Iguodala's... it doesn't make sense at all. If anything both of their dunks were equal... nobody was more creative than the other (outside of Iguodala's behind the backboard dunk, and Nate's Spud dunk... to an extent). Seeing as you have not responded to this question I have posed to you many times, I will take it that you have no response to it... not surprising. And, another thing you have refused to comment about is this: In a previous thread you stated that if Iguodala lost by 1 you would agree that he was robbed. Now, after I informed you that he did lose by 1, you did not acknowledge that, and went back on your previous statement by continuing to assert that he was not robbed. Now which one is it? Make up your mind... will you not accept your original statement at this point? Nate won, but it was a gift from the judges. Accept it. Fall back... oh wait, you're a Knicks fan, so you feel the need to rub any sort of "championship," even an undeserved one, in other people's faces.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BigMo763:</div><div class="quote_post">Wait a minute, I think you are the one who doesn't understand what the Iguodala supporters are arguing. You have came back with the same argument repeatedly, but fail to really refute the arguments that Iggy supporters have. Alright, once again: the rules do say that the dunker can have as many attempts to complete a dunk, we all know that. But what we also know is that the league eliminated the "two-attempt" rule THIS year... it was there in previous years. Jason Richardson missed a three-peat because he missed a between the legs 360 dunk twice in the final round, allowing Fred Jones to win the contest on a weak dunk. So, is it fair for the league to change the rules the same year the little guy is in it? No. How was Nate "more" creative than Iguodala in the dunk-off? Iggy ran out of ideas, but Nate's dunk was no more creative than Iguodala's. What made it creative? The fact that he put the ball between his legs twice before throwing the lob? That should not have been taken into account for the score. In the 90's, Michael Finley (or somebody else, I'm not 100% sure), lobbed it up, did a cartwheel, and dunked it. He was given bad scores... Nate was great, don't get me wrong, but he got extra points out of sympathy. Why? Not only because of his height (although the dunks he did were great), but because the judges felt sorry for him after he missed his dunks repeatedly, and still gave him high marks for watered down versions of his original attempt. So, all the BS about the judges not taking the misses into account should be thrown out the window. If they don't penalize him for it, they should not give him points for it as well. Next, nobody has a problem with Nate winning, what we have a problem with is the WAY he won. We have not been disrespectful to Nate's victory, but the bottom line is that the judges gave Nate the biggest gift of his NBA career in the dunk contest. There is no arguing that... even most of the Nate supporters I have talked to feel that way. I also still have not gotten a response from you as to how you can say all of Nate's dunks were more creative and original than Iguodala's... it doesn't make sense at all. If anything both of their dunks were equal... nobody was more creative than the other (outside of Iguodala's behind the backboard dunk, and Nate's Spud dunk... to an extent). Seeing as you have not responded to this question I have posed to you many times, I will take it that you have no response to it... not surprising. And, another thing you have refused to comment about is this: In a previous thread you stated that if Iguodala lost by 1 you would agree that he was robbed. Now, after I informed you that he did lose by 1, you did not acknowledge that, and went back on your previous statement by continuing to assert that he was not robbed. Now which one is it? Make up your mind... will you not accept your original statement at this point? Nate won, but it was a gift from the judges. Accept it. .</div> Iggy Dala took a couple of attempts in his dunk, and he did the same dunk over twice in a row, while Nate's dunk were all totally different. Is it fair? Are you saying a 5"9 guard has the advantage over a 6"6 wing player? You're admitting to how superior Nate Robinson is, thanks. I told you, Nate's dunk differed completely from Iggy Dala's dunks, the only different Dunk Dala did was the one included with Iverson which was the best dunk of the night, but Iggy Dala didn't deserve the win in the dunk off, its simple, Nate's dunk was better if you watch the videos. Why would the judges feel sorry for him? In Nate's first dunk they gave him a 9 and Kenny Smith who's a HUge Nate fan and a Knicks broadcaster gave him an 8....No one felt sorry for Nate, Nate got the crowd, the judges and everyone behind him. Fall back, Nate finished the contest, and you forgot how much attention Nate got from the crowd from his first attempt, it was a difficult dunk cause he started it from the full court, and had to put together timing(when the ball came off the board and when he had to catch it), staminia, hang time, everything. Please, what Nate did was a video game dunk What Iggy Dala did I see happend in NYC playgrounds. Nate has no wingspan, Nate has stumpy legs, Nate is a 5"7 man getting high in the hair. Nate won the competition fairy, you guys have been overreacted to this thing way too much and need to realize how Nate finished it. and the reason why Nate got to do it 14 times cause of the difficulty of the dunk, hell if Nate would of made the 3rd-5th attempt, He'll get a perfect 10, his score was agreeable.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Is it fair? Are you saying a 5"9 guard has the advantage over a 6"6 wing player? You're admitting to how superior Nate Robinson is, thanks.</div> Yes, a shorter player has the advantage over a taller player in the dunk contest, and Nate Robinson is a prime example. You're admitting to how blind you are in not seeing that, thanks. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would the judges feel sorry for him? In Nate's first dunk they gave him a 9 and Kenny Smith who's a HUge Nate fan and a Knicks broadcaster gave him an 8....No one felt sorry for Nate, Nate got the crowd, the judges and everyone behind him.</div> Please re-read the part of my previous post which addressed this, as there is no need for me to re-type it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Fall back, Nate finished the contest, and you forgot how much attention Nate got from the crowd from his first attempt, it was a difficult dunk cause he started it from the full court, and had to put together timing(when the ball came off the board and when he had to catch it), staminia, hang time, everything.</div> Are you talking about his final dunk in the dunk off? Last time I checked, he started from half-court, and then gradually moved in closer and closer to the three-point line. He did not start from full court. It took a great deal of athleticism and stamina to pull it off, I'll agree with that, but that brings us back to the previous point of a shorter player having an advantage over a taller player in the dunk contest. The dunk itself was nothing special as it has been done many times before in the dunk contest. So, either way you look at it, your argument on this dunk completely contradicts your argument over Iguodala not being original. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Please, what Nate did was a video game dunk What Iggy Dala did I see happend in NYC playgrounds. </div> Just need some clarification on this statement... which Nate dunk are you talking about? The final dunk in the dunk-off? If you don't see a windmill off the glass on NYC playgrounds, then I don't know what playgrounds you've been to. Dunks from both guys (with the exception of the behind the backboard dunk from Iggy, and the Spud dunk from Nate) are on playgrounds across the country. Again, invalid argument. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nate has no wingspan, Nate has stumpy legs, Nate is a 5"7 man getting high in the hair.</div> Again, this goes back to the shorter players having an advantage over taller players in the dunk contest. And, last time I checked, players don't dunk in the hair. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nate won the competition fairy, you guys have been overreacted to this thing way too much and need to realize how Nate finished it.</div> I do realize that he won it, but I do not think he won it fairly. Obviously, there is bias everywhere in life, and nothing can change that. It's human nature. I also realize how Nate finish it, and obviously our opinions on that matter differ, and that is understandable, and my issues with your statements regarding that have already been addressed in this post. If you contend we are overreacting when our boy got screwed, then the same can be said about you: you are overreacting when we are stating that our boy got screwed! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and the reason why Nate got to do it 14 times cause of the difficulty of the dunk, hell if Nate would of made the 3rd-5th attempt, He'll get a perfect 10, his score was agreeable.</div> Wait, it's difficult to throw the ball off the backboard and do a windmill? Wow, I guess somebody here doesn't have much athletic ability, now do they? It isn't as difficult as your making it out to be! And, you still have not addressed this part of my previous post, so I guess I'll put it here again, in red, and in bold, so that you cannot miss it this time: <font color="red">And, another thing you have refused to comment about is this: In a previous thread you stated that if Iguodala lost by 1 you would agree that he was robbed. Now, after I informed you that he did lose by 1, you did not acknowledge that, and went back on your previous statement by continuing to assert that he was not robbed. Now which one is it? Make up your mind... will you not accept your original statement at this point?</font> I have exposed the fallacies in your argument. Fall back. At the end of the day, Nate Robinson is the dunk "champion." Some, including you, believe he deserved it. Most people, including me, do not. It's as simple as that.
