<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Steve Francis is headed to New York under a deal agreed to Wednesday by the Knicks and the Orlando Magic, ESPN.com has learned. The teams agreed to a trade of Francis for Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza, two league sources with knowledge of the deal told ESPN.com. The trade was expected to be announced later Wednesday afternoon after being called in to the league office. In New York, Francis will be paired with Stephon Marbury as the highest-paid backcourt duo in the NBA. The Knicks were still talking with several other clubs as team president Isiah Thomas worked at remaking a roster that has stumbled to the league's second-worst record, 15-37. For the Magic, the trade will provide salary cap relief to a franchise that can now go further beneath the cap than any of the league's 30 teams in the summer of 2007 when a bumper crop of free agents will be on the market, giving Orlando several options in figuring out how to rebuild around 20-year-old power forward Dwight Howard. </div> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2339941
We get another Marbury. Its a pretty good trade since Ariza hasnt shown any improvement from last year and he hasnt gotten much minutes. Penny has only played in 4 games. So now we lost both our expiring contracts in AD and Penny. Isiah isnt making any progress to get out of this hell. lol imagine if that frans guy from spain was included.
Marbury will keep it. A player from another team stays with it especially since Steph is the franchise player. Like mr.J said francis might take Penny's number.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My bet is Francis is taking #1</div> Or, he'll take #5, Mobley's number if thats not already taken. If I remember correctly, Mobley did the same for him when he got traded.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Or, he'll take #5, Mobley's number if thats not already taken. If I remember correctly, Mobley did the same for him when he got traded.</div> Nope, he won't because Rose has #5.
I really see no upside with this trade for the Knicks. They now have 2 combo/point guards who are below average defenders and demand the ball. How is Channing Frye going to develop with Francis and Marbury both shooting like crazy? This really doesn't make any sense to me. Larry Brown is going to have a fit trying to coach a backcourt of Marbury and Francis. And the Knicks have gotten further away from any sort of salary cap relief. I just can't help but feel that this is a really, really bad trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I really see no upside with this trade for the Knicks. They now have 2 combo/point guards who are below average defenders and demand the ball. How is Channing Frye going to develop with Francis and Marbury both shooting like crazy? This really doesn't make any sense to me. Larry Brown is going to have a fit trying to coach a backcourt of Marbury and Francis. And the Knicks have gotten further away from any sort of salary cap relief. I just can't help but feel that this is a really, really bad trade.</div> Are you crazy? All point guards turn the ball over a lot. That's why Jason Kidd, Isiah Thomas, Penny Hardaway, John Stockton, Magic Johnson....and almost every other elite point guard has led the league in turnovers. 43% career from the fiels is pretty good for a career 20ppg scorer. Kidd is a career 40% shooter. Isiah 45%. Magic 46%. Gil Arenas 42%. Should I keep going? LB is the one asking Isiah to get Francis. You lose on all four points. Once again, STFU.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Or, he'll take #5, Mobley's number if thats not already taken. If I remember correctly, Mobley did the same for him when he got traded.</div> It says on RealGM he has decided to take Sprewell's old number 8.
lol, can someone please explain to me what this is supposed to do for your team? The trade isn't bad when considering what you traded him for, but I just don't see what this really does? An undersized backcourt, 2 guy's who are only really effective with the ball in the hands. No true outside shooting in the backcourt, interesting, at least Francis can play some D because of how athletic he is. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you crazy? All point guards turn the ball over a lot. That's why Jason Kidd, Isiah Thomas, Penny Hardaway, John Stockton, Magic Johnson....and almost every other elite point guard has led the league in turnovers. 43% career from the fiels is pretty good for a career 20ppg scorer. Kidd is a career 40% shooter. Isiah 45%. Magic 46%. Gil Arenas 42%. Should I keep going? LB is the one asking Isiah to get Francis. You lose on all four points. Once again, STFU.</div> Are we comparing Francis turning the ball over a lot while averaging 6 APG and 18-20 PPG to guys who turn it over while averaging 10 APG?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">lol, can someone please explain to me what this is supposed to do for your team?</div> Supposed to be the second coming of Clyde and the Pearl according to Isiah. It's a huge hit or miss. We'll just have to see what happens.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how 144 minutes could be split between Marbury, Francis, Rose, Richardson, Crawford, Robinson, and Qyntel Woods. Someone's gotta go.
Isiah is on crack, just like Jerome James was supposed to even get minutes on this team. It's definately not going to be anything close to that, but I mean it's not like you guys are going to get worse, so... Their's going to be some interesting lineups now. Both Francis and Marbury will be playing at least 36 MPG, so they'll have to have some lineups with Crawford at SF, unless the max MPG he can get is ~24 MPG, probably less. A 3 small guard 1-3 will be quite interesting. Then their's the other guys who need minutes, lol, too many G/SF's.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you crazy? All point guards turn the ball over a lot. That's why Jason Kidd, Isiah Thomas, Penny Hardaway, John Stockton, Magic Johnson....and almost every other elite point guard has led the league in turnovers. 43% career from the fiels is pretty good for a career 20ppg scorer. Kidd is a career 40% shooter. Isiah 45%. Magic 46%. Gil Arenas 42%. Should I keep going? LB is the one asking Isiah to get Francis. You lose on all four points. Once again, STFU. </div> oh noes, I'm so hurt
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Are we comparing Francis turning the ball over a lot while averaging 6 APG and 18-20 PPG to guys who turn it over while averaging 10 APG?</div> It's an inside joke I guess. To everyone, put it like this: We hit rock bottom and are screwed cap wise anyway. We didn't give up anyone, but Ariza who was very tradable. We basically gave up nothing to take a risk on a former three-time all-star. I think it's pretty good considering what we gave up. Tommorow there should be more changes. I expect to see the backcourt thin out a bit.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow is all I can say. This is not going to end well in my opinion. Isiah had two huge expriring contracts and instead he takes on two more HUGE contracts. This will only delay the rebuilding process even more. I'm just thankful that Isiah left the Raps a long time ago (no offense meant to Knick fans). yeah, looks like they end up with basically nothing and losing T-Mac. Almost as bad as Raps getting back almost nothing in return for Vince.</div> Orlando got Trevor Ariza, Darko Milicic and Carlos Arroyo for T-Mac For Vince the Raptors got Joey Graham, 2nd round picks, the pick that made dumping Rose's salary possible(GREAT move), a banger in AD that can have some positive contributions both on the court and off, and a player that was and had been a decent contributer in Eric Williams. Eric didnt work out but there's no reason why he couldnt of. He was the defensive hustler that we needed and in NJ he was actually scoring the ball pretty well. Raps got a pretty good deal in my opinion. With Graham and the picks the raps are building for the future and it also allowed them to loose 28 million in cap between Rose and Vince. Please rethink how you feel about the Vince Carter trade. Far to many people on here listen to the ESPN clowns and just throw up the same **** as them. The Vince trade was a solid trade that let us rebuild around Bosh. The Rose trade was a solid trade that lets us keep Mike James and possibly another solid player. Aaron Williams trade was solid. The only bad move Babcock has ever made was drafting Hoffa. And that wasnt even that bad. Sure he's a bust but he DOES have all the tools to be good...its just his mentality is flawed. We picked him 8th...which was about 8 spots early...its not like we drafted a 2nd rounder in the lottery or something. Oh and to the OP : what the !@!$ "steven A knows his stuff"? That guy's the biggest hack ever..please tell me you're not in his fan club. come on guys..think for yourselves --------------------------------------------------------------- On topic. New York got the talent for far cheaper than i expected the Magic to let it go for. However this team is even more doomed now. How many underacheivers is to many? Is it a good idea to have so many players on a team that need the ball to be effective? How will a Marbury Francis back court work? How the hell are the Knicks gunna play defense with a lineup of Marbury Francis QRich Frye and Curry? lol
Like every trade Isiah is done, it has the glimmer of potential. But I'm sure that we'll be looking at this a year from now and shaking our heads. I like this trade for the Magic: addition by subtraction, a nice young player and cap space. If only they could have convinced Isiah to throw an unprotected pick into it. ^And that analysis of the VC trade and Babcock is sooo biased. Don't argue about it on this thread though.
