I made an early mock draft, it's ok but it's not bad. Enjoy! http://www.draftexpress.com/mymock.php?pag...id=153&detail=2
OK, well, you know when you make a Mock you need to be open to constructive criticism so here it goes...... #1 No way does Paul Davis go that high. #2 Chicago would not draft ANOTHER SF (Deng, Nocioni) with the #2 pick. That would go towards LaMarcus Aldridge. #3 Chicago has enough undersized 2 guards (Hinrich, Gordon) drafting Diaz would be just as dumb as drafting Morrison #2 #4 Marcus Williams will go higher. #5 Daniel Gibson will go MUCH higher. #6 Alando Tucker will not be entering the draft this season. Has already stated he's staying for 4 years (unless he were to be talked about in the lottery) That's all I have for now. However, I give you credit for spending the time and effort to make a Mock Draft in Febuary.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">OK, well, you know when you make a Mock you need to be open to constructive criticism so here it goes...... #1 No way does Paul Davis go that high. #2 Chicago would not draft ANOTHER SF (Deng, Nocioni) with the #2 pick. That would go towards LaMarcus Aldridge. #3 Chicago has enough undersized 2 guards (Hinrich, Gordon) drafting Diaz would be just as dumb as drafting Morrison #2 #4 Marcus Williams will go higher. #5 Daniel Gibson will go MUCH higher. #6 Alando Tucker will not be entering the draft this season. Has already stated he's staying for 4 years (unless he were to be talked about in the lottery) That's all I have for now. However, I give you credit for spending the time and effort to make a Mock Draft in Febuary.</div> -I agree with you except for the Daniel Gibson comment. He will go somewhere in the 20's maybe even lower if he keeps sucking it up. Have you seen his play of late? -Why is would Toronto take Andrea Bargani when they have Chris Bosh and Charlie Villanueva? -Also, I don't think Tyrus Thomas is declaring and why is Leon Powe above Josh Boone? -Guillermo Diaz at 12 is way to high.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Drake Remoray:</div><div class="quote_post">-I agree with you except for the Daniel Gibson comment. He will go somewhere in the 20's maybe even lower if he keeps sucking it up. Have you seen his play of late? -Why is would Toronto take Andrea Bargani when they have Chris Bosh and Charlie Villanueva? -Also, I don't think Tyrus Thomas is declaring and why is Leon Powe above Josh Boone? -Guillermo Diaz at 12 is way to high.</div> Toronto would take Bargani to alternate and maybe use Bosh or Villanueva at center to get a small line-up on the floor in the East. Not many teams are very big, big in the east, they're all mostly small faster athletic teams. Powe is good, you guys that don't watch much of him should not even be talking about him. He's one of the most overlooked players IMO, just because he plays when it's past your bedtime don't mean he don't exist. Josh Boone is very inconsistent too, he'll got get 15 and 15 against a team that's mediocre and then stink it up against a ranked team, as for Powe he's getting 20-10 every game. Just ask Shape how good Powe is, I think he's going to be like a better version of Carlos Boozer. As for Diaz, I think his flashy skills will get him higher in the draft. I've also heard Ben Gordon's name in many trade rumors, that makes me feel like he's not going to be there in a year or 2. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">OK, well, you know when you make a Mock you need to be open to constructive criticism so here it goes...... #1 No way does Paul Davis go that high. #2 Chicago would not draft ANOTHER SF (Deng, Nocioni) with the #2 pick. That would go towards LaMarcus Aldridge. #3 Chicago has enough undersized 2 guards (Hinrich, Gordon) drafting Diaz would be just as dumb as drafting Morrison #2 #4 Marcus Williams will go higher. #5 Daniel Gibson will go MUCH higher. #6 Alando Tucker will not be entering the draft this season. Has already stated he's staying for 4 years (unless he were to be talked about in the lottery) That's all I have for now. However, I give you credit for spending the time and effort to make a Mock Draft in Febuary.</div> I'm pretty sure Paul Davis will move up the draft boards much like Channing Frye last year. He's got a good inside-out game for a big man, can knock down 15 footers with ease, and is a very solid FT shooter for a big man. After some workouts, teams will get intrigued in him. Bulls take Morrison because it's hard to pass up someone that's as good as him. You don't find players like him every draft, you take him or you let a future legend go to another team. answer Diaz one above Marcus Williams should be higher, but that trouble he's gotten into doesn't help him. Also the fact that a HOF coach, Jim Calhoun, wanting him to leave doesn't help you either. He'll be a good steal for a team that takes a chance on him. IMO, Daniel Gibson is going to be an okay role player. He's a undersized SG that has absolutely no PG skills at all. People may want to argue with that, but many people who have seen him play lately will back me up. As for Tucker, I think I messed up there, I thought he was a senior so I put him on there.
I agree with KICK on this one there is no way the Bulls would select Morrison if they had the number two pick in the draft. Although, Morrison is the most likely candidate for player of the year this season in college basketball the Bulls need a big man desperately, and have made that no secret. Ever since trading Curry they have been searching for that guy who will draw double teams and open things up for Hinrich, Gordon, and Duhon. That guy is Aldridge he is an incredible player who has a ton of potential, and could develop into an elite big man in the league. Also the only way I see the team drafting another small guard is if they trade Duhon before the draft which does not appear will happen. If we do draft a guard in the late first round it would have to be a big guy like Ronnie Brewer Chicago has enough small guards as it is no matter how talented they are. I also think that Foye might go late lottery if he keeps playing the way he has thus far this season. If he manages to take Villanova deep into the tournament, and possibly even to the Final Four his stock will rise to possibly even a top ten. He is a very talented guard, who can score, and get his teammates involved. Anyway, good draft considering how early you made it.
good draft since you made it in feb. there are some things i dont agree with, reasons already stated by KICKSDADDY. i do agree with one point you put out about loen powe. he plays for cal state, which isnt a big name college or anything, so most people probably wont know much about him. but my dad went to college there and was a big fan, so we go see games sometimes. i have to say that he is a pretty good talent, i guess the only thing against him is his knees. but i still dont see him going higher than josh boone. also, i never thought the guy would go in the first round. i thought that he would be a second round pick, but looking at the talent of this year's draft, i guess that could happen
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">loen powe. he plays for cal state, which isnt a big name college or anything</div>, Leon plays for the University of California, as in the Golden Bears, Pac 10 school, Jason Kidd, not a small school. Just a small correction. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm pretty sure Paul Davis will move up the draft boards much like Channing Frye last year. He's got a good inside-out game for a big man, can knock down 15 footers with ease, and is a very solid FT shooter for a big man. After some workouts, teams will get intrigued in him. Bulls take Morrison because it's hard to pass up someone that's as good as him. You don't find players like him every draft, you take him or you let a future legend go to another team. answer Diaz one above Marcus Williams should be higher, but that trouble he's gotten into doesn't help him. Also the fact that a HOF coach, Jim Calhoun, wanting him to leave doesn't help you either. He'll be a good steal for a team that takes a chance on him. IMO, Daniel Gibson is going to be an okay role player. He's a undersized SG that has absolutely no PG skills at all. People may want to argue with that, but many people who have seen him play lately will back me up.</div> When it comes to draft projecting, and who is looking at who, I'm the last person to disagree with. As last summer showed, in which I nailed down who damn near every team was looking at, who was gonna drop out of the Lottery, first round, and not even get drafted. (remember, I know over a dozen scouts and get a lot of inside info right from the war rooms) Coming into this season, the knocks on Paul Davis arent the same as was the case with Channing Frye. If Davis proves some things in workouts he doesnt show now, it could change, however, scouts have seen him over 50 times in 4 years and have him pretty much disected, he's late lottery, maybe, depends on who declares. Bulls WILL and WOULD pass on Morrison, for the pure fact that they are loaded on the wing. SHOULD, and this is a big should, they trade Gordon, they might go after him, however, looks like the Bulls are hanging onto him, and are going to go after Peja hard in the off season. They need big guys, and a shooter can be had later in round one. Remember they hold 2 picks, and Aldrige and Bargnani hold too much to pass up on with a Top 3 pick. Especially, when the Bulls can grab a shooter later. However, dont be suprised to see them go after 2 big men, maybe also Shelden Williams with their second pick. They need hardnose defense, rebounding, and scrappy play to go with all the perimeter shooters they poses. Diaz, flashy, yes, substance, no. He is a freak of an athlete, sure, however, scouts question his size and ability to handle the ball. He also has shown a lot of problems with his knees and legs, and a lot of scouts are concerned because Diaz plays volleyball in PR during the summer, and has shown little interest in putting in the effort to transition to the point, which angers scouts. It also has taken a toll on his knees and legs during the season. Marcus Williams troubles are long past him and Calhoun has praised him all season long. His play, and the affect it's had a Rudy Gay has shown how he makes players better. The only knock on him is his outside shooting (hello Jason Kidd II) but his vision, court savvy, and ability to run a team has slowly pushed him towards the lottery. A lot of scouts have said a deep run and a good NCAA Tourney showing and he'll declare. Gibson isn't an undersized 2. He moved to the 2 midseason for the betterment of his team. Not his draft stock. (name another player with his potential who will do that) his scoring is why Rick Barnes moved him off the point. And Texas rolled off 15 of 16 after that move. Scouts question his score first mentality, however his handle, scoring, and defense have never been questioned, and he is another guy who, if he declares, depending on who else does (Darius Washington, Marcus Williams, Rajon Rondo) depends on where he goes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Powe is good, you guys that don't watch much of him should not even be talking about him. He's one of the most overlooked players IMO, just because he plays when it's past your bedtime don't mean he don't exist</div> You guys? Only one guy talked about Powe, and, I've seen him plenty. And, as you stated yourself, overlooked IN YOUR OPINION. It's A Typical East Coast biased. Cal and the West Coast period, just don't get a lot of PR out East. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">IMO, Daniel Gibson is going to be an okay role player</div> Once again, in YOUR opinion. I think players would rather take a pro scouts opinion than your own. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jim Calhoun, wanting him to leave doesn't help you either</div> Did Coach Calhoun tell you this himself? You shouldnt go around quoting people when there is absolutly nothing to back up your claim. If a coach, at any school, wants a player gone. He cuts him, suspends him, has the University releive him of his scholorship, period. If Jim Calhoun wanted Williams out, he'd be out. Same thing with AJ Price. He was also involved in the laptop insident, however, Price is still there, and will be the starting PG next season if Williams declares. (and Calhoun stated, including Gay, Price is the best player on the court in practice every day) <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">OK, well, you know when you make a Mock you need to be open to constructive criticism so here it goes......</div> Didn't I warn you ahead of time? I thought I did. You can't go out and make a Mock Draft or comment on something, or start a thread and not expect to receive constructive criticism. A simple "why do you think that" would do, or, "may I inquire as to where you came up with that" is nice. but when someone responds to your post, and you attempt to come back with your "opinion", facts trump opinion everytime. You pulled a pair of 10's and expected to beat my Royal Flush. Not happening, but the effort, as I also stated in my first response to this thread, <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">However, I give you credit for spending the time and effort to make a Mock Draft in Febuary</div>. was commended being as it's 4 months away.
Boone will go higher than Hilton, hes done more over his college career than Hilton and still has more upside. Paul Davis wont go that high, in the 15-20 range. I agree Marcus Williams will go higher, he had a triple double against a real good WV team. Wheres Shelden Williams? Also, Gansey will be a 1st rounder in alot of scouts opinions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Leon plays for the University of California, as in the Golden Bears, Pac 10 school, Jason Kidd, not a small school. Just a small correction.</div> yeah, my bad. lol. thats what i meant. dont be so hard on him since he's not a professional scout. lol.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">dont be so hard on him since he's not a professional scout</div> Me hard on people? Never. And, not being a professional scout is exactly why I can pick it apart and shouldnt expect to be snapped back on.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AI2AI888:</div><div class="quote_post">Boone will go higher than Hilton, hes done more over his college career than Hilton and still has more upside. Paul Davis wont go that high, in the 15-20 range. I agree Marcus Williams will go higher, he had a triple double against a real good WV team. Wheres Shelden Williams? Also, Gansey will be a 1st rounder in alot of scouts opinions.</div> Agree on both.Sheldon W gets dissed for basically being 1" too short for his achievements to have credibility. Quite possibly some team throws out the book,takes him above Euros,freshmen who may have tools but not skills. They also could feel he does not fit the mold,and he's a bargain as late as slot 10. Gansey impacts a game. For a SG his FG % is unreal, he's a major pest on D,good passer,nice toral game. Reminds me of Jeff Hornacek in that he's killed you before you realize.. Gibson Was barely relevant in a couple games I saw,and big time in another. I'd lean to Marcus Williams,Rondo at PG,but Gibson could get consistant and be a scoring PG. This Mock missed a good "sleeper" Justin Williams. I hate to call a guy leading the NCAA in shot blocks a sleeper,yet the draft does favor shooters,and later teams moan about no D. Williams also is a quality rebounder. He's a rd 2 because he has no J. The Pistons took Jason Maxieil late rd 1 as a smaller Ben Wallace,shotblock-D-boards guy. His former teammate Eric Hicks is quite similar but better. Will get picked somewhere. Not many guys had a 7 blocks game vs U Conn,2 games with 10 OFFENSIVE rbds,and a triple double with 10 blocks against Marquette. Chris Quinn is a good rd 2 PG,very nice assist/TO ratio and hits the 3 also with efficiency,kind of a Steve Blake but a better shooter. The U Conn bigs are baffling. U Conn,with 4 probable rd 1 players SHOULD be invincible,and yet none of the 4 is all that consistant overall. Armstrong has moved up...but probably not that far. He is not a really big big man,and not a major offensive threat. i have not seen Tyrus Thomas yet. They say he's freaky athletic...maybe like McDyuss was? Some say he wants to stay anoter year,but a 3 mill lottery deal will pay for tuition and your own private college professor. Georgetown's tall,promising soph is a wild card,having top 15 potential can suck him into the 06 draft,but anoter year of good progres he might be top 5 in 07
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Me hard on people? Never. And, not being a professional scout is exactly why I can pick it apart and shouldnt expect to be snapped back on.</div> Kicksdaddy is one of the more informed and sharp cats on this board in regards to the draft. we had a runniing debate on Marvin wiliams last year. He was right that Marvin's athletic tools would put him at the top of ther draft,i was right that marvin's general lack of commmitment to defense,rebounding,would hinder his progress and delay him becoming a standout...or even a starter. Kicksdaddy is a good basketball player with a real interest in the draft,I was a crappy player but had been hooked on the draft since as a kid we debated Oscar Robertson vs Jerry West...a somewhat different perspective.
Leon Powe is levels ahead of Josh Boone in all facets of the game. I also like Eric Hicks, he has an NBA ready body and is aggressive as hell in the post.
i think one of the biggest reasons why i think leon will be drafted lower than josh is because of his health problems. the guy just hasnt been able to stay healthy much and his knees are already a big cause for concern. but i shouldnt get into a big debate or anything because its obvious KICKS knows more than me and shape is a bigger leon fan than i will ever be
I have a feeling that Morrison will ask for a trade if he is drafted #1 overall. I wouldn't want to play in charlotte if I was a player and the Bobcats desperately need defense which he is a liability on. I doubt they pick Morrison over Gay, but they lack offense also. I still say Gay, but they are bad on both ends of the floor so it is really up for grabs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phiLA:</div><div class="quote_post">i think one of the biggest reasons why i think leon will be drafted lower than josh is because of his health problems. the guy just hasnt been able to stay healthy much and his knees are already a big cause for concern. but i shouldnt get into a big debate or anything because its obvious KICKS knows more than me and shape is a bigger leon fan than i will ever be</div> Dude, he hasn't really been hurt this year after the season got started. He had his knee injury, but he's worth it. Powe is a future all-star if you want to believe it or not, Boone is going to be a roll player at best, his work effort and consistency is as good as Taft's, What's Taft doing right now for the Warriors? Anyways, what do you know about that little school he goes too As for Kicks, I don't want to get into an argument with someone that has sources . As for the Calhoun quote, they said it the other day on ESPN during their game against Nova. The announcers said he's said it numerous times that he wants Marcus gone after the year. As for Shelden Williams, I simply forgot to put him in there and I'll edit my draft and put him in Any more critcism, ready to throw some right back at ya
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J_Ray:</div><div class="quote_post"> Anyways, what do you know about that little school he goes too </div> you mean what else i know about the school?
REREM, my man! Well, I must say, over the last year and a half, I've come around on your boy Shelden, and think he is exactly what my Bulls need if he's sitting there around 10-12 (where the Bulls own pick will most likely be) And Marvin, he disappoints me greatly. Being slammed behind Harrington and J. Smith (and, well, it is ATL) doesnt help, but not even getting invited to the Rookie game isnt a good sign. I love a couple guys you brought up aswell. I think Chris Quinn could be a dangerous 2nd Round pick up. If that kid was 2 inches taller (he's listed at 6-3) he'd be a 1st round pick at the 2. He's gonna be drafted and be a guy who will hit a lot of shots off someone's bench. I've always liked Eric Hicks too, and damn, I wish, for his sake, he had 2-3 more inches. If he was 6-9, 6-10, he'd be a poor mans's Amare, cuz he just explodes off the floor, is so long, and just has a fire and a mean streak that will make an NBA roster. To Leon Powe though. Shape, you've got it, he's WAY ahead of Boone as far as talent and game, period. And, yes, he's been healthy all THIS season, however, he's already torn up BOTH knees, and last season's ACL, he tore once in HS too. So, he's missed 3 seasons to injury in the last 6 years. Talent alone, he's Top 10, but, you gotta know, scouts are gonna poke, prod, and hook that knee up to more tech type **** that Ivan Drago. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I have a feeling that Morrison will ask for a trade if he is drafted #1 overall</div> That I just dont buy for a minute. This is the most humble kid for the star he is. He's going to just be happy to be drafted, especially seeing he's had to fend off all the doubts about his Diabetes issues. On draft day, Morrison's love for the game, respect for it's history, and his joy of just being there is going to be enough. How many kids in the NBA demand a trade before they step in the L. Steve Francis, yes, then before him????? Just doesnt happen. Damn I can't wait for June, this has become damn near the only thing about the NBA I can even stomache anymore. The new blood, the potential, seeing who stars and who bombs. I know I said Feb. was too early for this stuff, but damn, I'm already getting excited, and March Madness............coming soon!!!!!!!!! P.S. For any of you who remember, my basketball season is winding down, but, although I havent played since my freshman year in college, I was recently approached about joining an AFL team in need of a starting QB. Is it wise to risk my bball career to pick up football again for the first time in 6 years, I don't know, but I'm contemplating it, just thought I'd pass that on. I'll let you all know what I decide to do.