Warriors @ Rockets - 5:30PM 2/24/2006

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  1. Run BJM

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyway, I don't feel any attachment to Montgomery but I'm defending his idea of playing a solid 5 on 5 game with inside/outside play on offense and tough defense. We don't even have 5 to play 5 most of the time.

    So with that said, we should probably fire Monty, hire some other coach that we can set up to fail like all the rest. Musselman included. That is why I'm so passionate about these topics, because I think anger is really causing some short sight about our team's chances and the way it plays against other teams since the first year of rebuilding from Jrich/Murphy.

    While I dont' think we should detach emotion from commentary, I think it should be well explained and balanced and fair.</div>
    One big difference between the NBA and college is that you don't get all the parts of a team that you desire. In a big college program like Stanford Monty had pretty much anything a team needed: inside game, outside game, defense, offense, leadership, etc. In the NBA coaches have to make a gameplan around their roster and their players' capabilities, it seems to me like Monty is trying to make our roster play in his system which is probably only successful when you have superior players like Monty had at Stanford.

    While Monty and Musselman may end up with a similar record, Musselman was a success while Monty will be a faliure. Musselman got the best out of the roster he had while Monty is underacheiving with a roster that could make it to the playoffs. Musselman's disciplinarian style was more successful than Monty's style of letting the players do what they want. Mullin may just keep Monty around for a long time to prove to other coaches that their job will be secure with GS but I think Mullin sees the bizarre coaching decisions Monty makes. Judging from the way Montgomery looks and speaks in the media I really wouldnt be surprised if he steps down some time this summer or next year.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">So did Ike get hurt? What's the deal?

    And why can't we guard opposing PF's??? Our lumbering big men can't even guard jump shooters.


    Also is it wise for Monty to leave in Pietrus when its so close like this? Damn...

    11-19 from the free throw line... disgusting! If we lose, this was a reason why. Dunleavy 0 for 2. Richardson 4 for 8. Ugly.</div>

    Other questions are why did JRich go out in the 4Q? Don't think he needed a blow. Same with AB going out and Foyle coming in. A minute later Foyle goes out and AB comes back in.

    I would mostly play AB with Murphy and Foyle with Ike since that combo plays better together. Also, have Ike in there with Dun. We need a center so that's why I wouldn't have minded if Mullin traded for a big man who'd give us some productive minutes like Aaron Williams when Foyle was giving nothing (which is usually the case).

    Monty's substitutions still aren't very smooth and sometimes perplexing. I wouldn't say it was why we lost another close game to a cellar dweller without its superstar player.

    There were other factors why we lost this game such as poor shooting early on, poor FTs (50% for NBA is atrocious), ball hogging and shooting by Fisher, etc. but wouldn't you think the coaching should be seamless at this point even if it isn't one of the better coaching in the league?
     
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    Wow -- but the Warriors played good tonight IMO -- Richardson was obviously unconscious, but Biedrins played great, Troy was solid (offensively and on the glass) and I really liked Dunleavy's 7 boards and 4 assists. Plus, while he had a few lapses, overall Monta played some fantastic defense.

    Fisher, man, WTF. He looks great, man so great, when he's catching and shooting those rainbow jumpers. But he gets this mindset like he's Baron Davis or something, and just starts shooting like crazy. 6-22 tonight. And on the fast break, man, oh damn, he just refuses to run it the way that, oh, everybody else in the NBA runs it... correctly. He sprints down the floor, doesn't stretch the defense, doesn't time the break with his wings, and then refuses to pass. Gawd that's so horrible to watch. But he hit some clutch jumpers.

    Foyle played some great D on Yao tonight -- I really liked his contribution there, however DAMN! he still can't catch the ball to save the W's life.

    I have Comcast DVR, taped the game and did a lot of rewinding, and lemme tell you: Murphy plays some awful defense at times; he'll make Biedrins do all the work and then clean up the nice stat-boosting rebound. One time he screened Foyle off the glass, inexplicably, leaving Yao wide open for a tip-in. Still, I liked his effort overall tonight.

    It sucked because my taping ran out with 7 seconds to play, it was an exciting finish but disappointing to come on here and find out we didn't take it to overtime!! Oh, well, I've kind of given up worrying about it anymore. There's always next year's draft. Go Warriors!
     
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    once i saw fish come into the game, i knew we were gonna lose the lead. Even though montay couldn't shoot the ball, his D helped out the warriors. When fish came in the whole momentum shifted. From my opinion...i don't like fisher at all...i've been trashing him ever since he came here. He isn't even a true point guard, he can't guard and he tries to redeem himself when he goes something wrong and it never works out for him
     
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    I'd rather see Monta in there than Fish, I agree. Let Dun bring the ball up court; "point-guard" wise, that's all Fish really does. Monta gives you quickness to keep up with Head and Alston. More importantly, he doesn't need a lot of touches.

    But, in Fish's defense, the same time that he came in is the same time JRich wernt out -- that coincided with a huge drought and the sqaundering of the 6 point lead. JRich was on fire until he came out (and again when he came back in!)
     
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    Fish doesn't stand a chance tomorrow against tony parker. He will get burned all day long..our best bet is to put montay on parker to match the quickness
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">We can all argue whether or not he should be fired or not, but the fact is the he'll most likely be fired anyway. So the argument should be how soon the Warriors should replace him. And I say if he's going to be gone later, might as well do it now. With the trade deadline past, maybe the only way to jumpstart this team is with a new coach.</div>


    yeah the sooner the better so we can at least try to make a late playoff push. One thing last night I didn't like was how he didn't try to calm Fish down at all. That guy was straight hoisting shots last night and most of them were bad ones early in the clock. Fish doesn't even consider taking those with a stronger-willed coach. And why leave Dun in there? He made bad play after bad play.
     
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    [quote name='jason voorhees']Other questions are why did JRich go out in the 4Q? Don't think he needed a blow. Same with AB going out and Foyle coming in. A minute later Foyle goes out and AB comes back in.


    yeah this didn't make sense to me at all. JRich was the only one giving us any offense, if he needed rest than use timeouts!!! At least use them as our lead was evaporating. How many of you guys knew they would catch up? That was a horrible loss to a horrible team without TMAC. Weren't they 0-13 without him this year. And the thing is the Rockets didn't even play that great it seemed except for maybe Howard who was open all day because of the dumb way we play pick and rolls
     
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    I think that reason why monty should be fired is that he has no faith in his own team. When your own coach doesn't believe you can win then you might as well quit.

    I think there was one quote a while back when monty was talking about the second half of the season and how he thought the W's would play and he basically said the team has no chance and that they have too many mistakes. I would pull up the quote but I don't know where to find it.

    That's the main reason why I think he should be fired.
     

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