hey guys, I havent posted in a while, i havent really had much to say, but i just wanted to say that Gomes has been really impressing me these last few games...now, dont get me wrong, im not saying that he is going to be a superstar or anything like that, all i am saying is, the kid knows his role, and he is a Baller...thats what I love about him... Ive been very impressed with the way Celtics have been playing lately in general too, we seem to be clicking...when perk n al get back, (if they can pick up from where they left from), we will be a good team...if we keep playing like this, then i am very optimistic about our future, and I applaud Danny in what he has built... when perk n Al get back, what do ya'll think the starting lineups should b? Im thinking: West Wally Pierce Gomes (or Al) Perk I think the bigman roatation should be Perk, Raef, Al and Gomes...we dont need to waste time on Scal.... Also, I think we should play green about 5-10 min a game consistantly,if the Phoenix game is any indication, it couldnt hurt... Is Tony Allen getting any better, or has he lost all his athletism, if he has, run green more.... I think thats all I gotta say for now, hehe, but yeah, I hope Gomes can keep this effort up....if he does, then the outlook is more brighter for us!
Definately, the guy is 10 times better playig inside than be was at the SF spot. I kept looking the last 5 games, and was seeing double digit scoring, and a few double digit, or close to rebounding games from him. Quite impressive.
Gomes' Game I like what Gomes is doing. I also think that his attitude is helping the team more than expected. Gomes is playing like a four-year college player who really wants to help the team. This combination of attitude and experience is definitely helping out the other players. Although Delonte also played his college career out, it wasn't as a point guard, so he's still tentative. Gomes is just relieved to be playing what he knows is his position. Also, without either of our real rebounders out there, I think he's getting a few more than his share. He's still a good player, and the kinda guy you need off of the bench. When this team really starts to come together, he can play the four on offense, a weak four on D, and there will be a strong defensive center to protect him. Who that will be, I don't know. Dave, I agree with most of your assessment regarding Scalabrine. Although there are times when his physicality can come in handy. Only Gomes and Perk will really body a guy up, Al and Raef don't. So, against especially physical teams, you're forced to play Scalabrine a little bit. That combined with most fours' unwillingness to come out of the post, makes him slightly more dangerous. If Raef was stronger, they would share this trait, but it's pretty clear he isn't willing to do that inside. Not that this means Scalabrine has an inside game, he doesn't. He's just willing to mix it up down there. Which will tire people out.
im not surprised. i wanted the sixers or the lakers to snab him in the second round. the guy will defintely be a good player later on, and he might turn out to be a big steal
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting postpoint:</div><div class="quote_post">19 and 12 tonight. What's gonna happen when Al comes back?</div> Al starting or Gomes...who knows...but the good thing is it will mean alot less of scalabrine and that can only be a good thing
I think at this point you have to let Gomes keep starting, at least untill he starts to struggle or untill Jefferson starts to look better than him. I love Jefferson and I think he will be the better player than Gomes in the long run and of course Jefferson still needs to get his minutes but Gomes is clearly the player who is more ready for the NBA. Its great what hes done since starting and the best thing is that his numbers have actualy helped the celtics achieve a winning formula which is something that Jefferson and Perk havent done yet despite putting up some impressive numbers sporatically (tho increasingly consistently particularly in perks). this is not a knock on Al or Perk and of course they need to get their time. your big man rotation should be Perk and Raef at center and Gomes and Al at PF. NO MORE scalabrinie!
Big man musical chairs It does look like Doc has to start Gomes for the moment. There may be matchups that suit Al better, but Gomes seems to do better than expected in most matchups. We'll see how he does against Udonis Haslem on Wednesday, who is a similar player sizewise. I'm interested to see what Gomes' numbers look like after Perk comes back. I suspect that some of those defensive boards will end up on Perk's statline. Or even better, we may just improve our overall rebounding. Gomes is still a bit of an x-factor. But you gotta keep playing him. Scalabrine= 5 min. I'd also like to see if Perk comes back to play against Shaq. Perk is pretty big, but not that big, and Shaq's been playing well lately.
I think that, for now, maybe we should keep the starting lineup as it is for the moment (Raef + Gomes) and let Al and Perk come in off the bench, at least until they both recover fully, and start playing at a high level...Just a thought anyway..my logic is, if it aint broke, dont fix it, and we are seeing good things in these past few games, I could only see this as an advantage for now, as our bench will be a lot deeper with those two back..... As I said thogh, they should come off the bench while they are getting back into game shape, I love Gomes..but i still think Al will be a great player as he gets more experience, I can see Gomes like a Clarence Weatherspoon, or a Corliss Williamson (when he was in detroit)....
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The list of functioning small power forwards in the NBA is a rather, ahem, short. But the more Ryan Gomes displays that he belongs in the group, the more Paul Pierce finds himself drawing comparisons. Like yesterday, when the Celtics captain couldn’t help drawing a parallel between his 6-foot-7 rookie teammate and a burgeoning, young power forward the team will face tonight. “I was just thinking that he reminds me of Udonis Haslem,” Pierce said of the Miami forward, a tough 6-9 starter who is one reason the Heat bring Antoine Walker off the bench. “The guy plays tough defense and does a lot of dirty work for his team. That’s Ryan.” Gomes’ short-term improvement has been explosive, with double-doubles in each of his last three games and averages of 12.6 points and 9.3 rebounds in the last seven - all as a starter. All of this from a player who logged 21 combined minutes in the previous 49 games. The Celtics are 5-2 with Gomes as a starter. “He was on the bench - blame it on me,” a joking Doc Rivers said after yesterday’s practice. “It’s my fault. Everything else is.” If this trend continues, don’t be surprised if Gomes remains a starter, regardless of how the return of Al Jefferson and Kendrick Perkins from injuries affect the rotation. “He could be - that’s conceivable,” the Celtics coach said. “When those guys come back, they’ll come back and play, but so will Ryan. The better we become, the better he’ll become because he’s just such a smart player. “Now when he has position in the post, we’ll be looking for him. He’s starting to be more aggressive, and with confidence he’s becoming a better player.” Thus far his learning curve has also eclipsed that of the 6-9 Jefferson, whose progress has been stunted by injuries. Though Jefferson has a natural post presence that makes him the team’s best threat down low, Gomes may be better right now as a rebounder and defender.</div> Gomes grows -- Small rookie plays big
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ryan Gomes? I told you so Is the rest of the league ready to admit it made a mistake on Ryan Gomes? Following three consecutive double-digit rebound games, high-fives with Doc Rivers following games and an injection of intensity into a once-listless Celtics squad, I hope so. There were 49 picks made in last June's NBA Draft before Gomes, a standout at nearby Providence College, heard his name called. It's not like he was some mystery from Siberia. He was touted by some as a First Team All-American in 2004, and came back as a senior and averaged 21.6 points and 8.2 rebounds. For his career, he averaged 18.4 and nearly nine boards per game, playing significant minutes from the moment he stepped on campus. In pre-draft workouts, he was equally impressive. There were opposing players who would ended up going way ahead of him calling him the most difficult matchup to deal with. Still, team after team passed. He could have gone late in the first round, or at the very least, very early in the second, yet foreign projects like Mile Ilic and Roko Ukic went ahead of him. Think the Lakers would like to have someone like him to aid their soft frontcourt? They had their chance to get him twice but went with forward Ronny Turiaf and guard Von Wafer instead. Turiaf went for three points and five rebounds in his best game as a pro against the Celtics on Sunday night. Wafer was inactive. Gomes played 43 minutes, hitting eight of 10 shots for a career-high 19 points and added 12 boards. He had 13 points and 17 boards against Portland in his previous game. Gomes, a known commodity, passed on over and over again. He's making people pay now. I knew. Why didn't front office personnel that get paid handsomely to know? The following analysis was penned following the draft: In Round 2, Ainge went deep again with the selection of Providence's Ryan Gomes, who somehow slipped to the 50th pick. The Celtics must be giddily laughing at other teams as studs fall into their lap. It's my blog. I can brag if I want to. </div> http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/weblogs/entry/9265488 National love.
Gotta love it when the national spotlight falls on somebody as small-time as this. The man has shown us a lot, but for some reason, I can't help harkening back to Brandon Hunter's six games of fame. I have the inkling that Gomes will last longer, but his play is almost identical to Hunter's at the time. Please God, don't let him end up like Brandon Hunter.
Gomes and Brandon Hunter? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Squishface:</div><div class="quote_post">Gotta love it when the national spotlight falls on somebody as small-time as this. The man has shown us a lot, but for some reason, I can't help harkening back to Brandon Hunter's six games of fame. I have the inkling that Gomes will last longer, but his play is almost identical to Hunter's at the time. Please God, don't let him end up like Brandon Hunter.</div> There's a chance that this will happen, but I think it's smaller than it was with Hunter. Hunter wasn't fast, he was tough. Gomes is fast, tough and smart (although he did has some foolish turnovers last night against Miami.) The other reason is because the bench is still short. Raef's not going to be playing the four until Perk gets back. When Perk does return, we'll still see Raef there, because shoulder injuries are especially troublesome in low post players. Al has returned, but you can tell that Doc likes the team defense they've been playing with Gomes out there, and Al doesn't bring that. Al's also not going to be able to go big minutes for awhile. A big reason for all the national attention on Gomes is so that a lot of people can say "I told you so." The large majority of the articles I've seen have had that aspect to them. He's played good ball, but the media's really just sticking it to a lot of GM's at the moment. Gomes' college career and size notwithstanding, GM's don't like to draft players as old as he is (23, I think) because they believe that such players are too close to their peak. The common conception is that NBA players peak at 28. I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's where it stands. I might agree with that in Gomes case. He can improve, but I'm not sure how much. Right now he's so much smarter than Al, that Doc has to give him some minutes, or lose more games. If Al gets smarter, he'll start playing huge minutes, and no more Gomes. That may be a little ways off though. Gomes isn't going to get much bigger. He might get somewhat stronger and faster, but he's unlikely to get a huge amount smarter. It doesn't really matter, because he's playing so well that many teams would take what he's providing now. Including the Celtics.
I also though quickly of brandon hunter when gomes starting having success these past weeks. The truth is we dont know whether he will be able to sustain it any better than hunter did. I think though that we'll find out very soon. Once players and teams around the league realize that he can be a force if allowed to be (which they MUST be realizing by now) they will have to start making a point to get to know his strengths and weaknesses and make a point of slowing down and/or stopping him. Thats what happened when Brandon Hunter started slowing down. of course I hope that Gomes will be a different case and I think he may well be for the reasons you just mentioned. I also think it doesnt matter if he peaks at age 28. If he can give you waht hes giiven you since being a starter (13 points, 9 rebounds a game) than I dont think nhe really needs to get dramataically better to be a significant help to the team
Gomes vs. Hunter <div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">I also though quickly of brandon hunter when gomes starting having success these past weeks. The truth is we dont know whether he will be able to sustain it any better than hunter did. I think though that we'll find out very soon. Once players and teams around the league realize that he can be a force if allowed to be (which they MUST be realizing by now) they will have to start making a point to get to know his strengths and weaknesses and make a point of slowing down and/or stopping him. Thats what happened when Brandon Hunter started slowing down. of course I hope that Gomes will be a different case and I think he may well be for the reasons you just mentioned. I also think it doesnt matter if he peaks at age 28. If he can give you waht hes giiven you since being a starter (13 points, 9 rebounds a game) than I dont think nhe really needs to get dramataically better to be a significant help to the team</div> I agree that game planning will change a player's game. It certainly did with Hunter's. I believe that Gomes has a more diverse set of skills, and a better head on his shoulders. Also, most NBA players just don't take the time to box out well, and Gomes does most of his damage on the offensive boards. Because he's so quick for a four, another four has to stay with him to keep him from getting O-boards. That keeps one defensive presence from moving high out in the key (where Pierce lives) and forces the center to think about his defensive rebounding more, also rooting him more solidly down low. When Perk and his offensive rebounding come back, things may change even more. Even now, on the defensive end, Gomes' post position is getting Lafrentz more rebounds. If players don't stay with Gomes on offense, then he's going to get tips, especially coming along the baseline. Also, Hunter's defense wasn't comparable to Gomes'. I'm not saying Gomes is a good individual defender, but his team defense is better. All in all. I still believe that we've got something. Also, about the peaking of players. The consensus seems to be that they peak physically at 26, mentally around 28. They're relatively arbitrary numbers, and I don't rely on them any more than most people would.
now that Al is back and perkins coming back in a week or two what you guys predict for gomes's minutes? is he stil going to start until Al outplay him? or he will just eventually share minutes with al or even perkins? i think he played great by the way would like him to play more since he doens't foul as much compared to al
wow, this kid is a complete gun, specially 4 a late second round pick, put up 27, 9, 5. What a steal!
Uh-huh <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">I think today marks the official end to all Gomes/Hunter comparisons.</div> You are correct sir. I can't believe that I missed this game.
