Just ignore that dumbass who PM'ed you. But there are still intelligent Raps fans who want to hear both sides of the issue. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My sources aren't internet chatrooms and newspapers. They are actual human beings. If I could record my cell phone conversations, I would, just to appease you. However, ask anyone who knows me, I dont post unless it's things I know. I've come through on NUMEROUS ocassions, as evident last summer and through out the draft, so, time will tell, however, reports do not surface unless there is some validity to it.</div> Of course I know the quality of your posts on this site. However, your explanation for Bosh being available contradicts reports and quotes that I've followed all year and, when you say that you're going to find articles that support your claims, I think its fair for us to ask for some more sources than your reputation. If all you have are your contacts and conversations, then there really isn't any way either side can convince the other. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Would I be angry if I was a Laker fan and someone said, "oh Kobe is gonna get traded, he wants out" No. I will wait it out and see what comes of it. </div> I'm not angry about what you said, I just want to know your argument is more than just opinion. I personally am not sure that Bosh is going to sign with T.O. (why I haven't bought his jersey yet), but from what I've heard and read, it seems more likely that he will stay. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How many times has a report come about, and when interviewed, a player says "oh, no I'm happy here. I dont wanna leave?" Think about it now. And secondly, when a player is going into a FA offseason, he isnt going to rag on his current team, he will of course express is love for his current team. Exactly what James did in that article, that's called being a wise businessmen and knowing loyalty brings bigger pay days from prospective future employers.</div> That logic doesn't prove that Mike James will be leaving, as you said before. It only means that there's still the chance that he may leave. Bobcat's link basically suggests that James will give the Raps as much a chance to sign him as every other team. My links: Bosh on the Colangelo signing:http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/T...467996-sun.html Bosh on the Rose trade:http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/T...425933-sun.html Bosh on Mitchell:http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/T...467997-sun.html Bosh on James: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/T...424452-sun.html Colangelo on the Raps main goal:http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/T...467998-sun.html -That link from RealGM may be one of the only credible stories on the site, as I read a similar article in the Toronto Star a month or so ago. As you can see, Bosh's main concern is continuity and credibility in the organization. The Colangelo signing, the Villanueva pick, the James trade, and the Jalen trade have all brought some measure of credibility to this organization. As for stability, it remains to be seen. But the creation of a long-term front office staff, and Colangelo's promises to fairly evaluate Mitchell and to try to sign James show sign of stability.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't worry about that moron PM'ing you, there are tons of idiots like that on JBB. </div> Just direct me to those posters and I'll make sure they stop.
Look in the Raps vs. Nets tread in the Raptors forum for a start. I was more exaggerating to make the point that one bad poster doesn't mean the discussion should end.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Look in the Raps vs. Nets tread in the Raptors forum for a start. I was more exaggerating to make the point that one bad poster doesn't mean the discussion should end.</div> Ok he's banned. Anyone else?
Chutney, I thank you for your acknowledgment, and I was not directing anything towards you directly. The offenders have been dealt with, all is done. It's over. All of your points above are very true. My initial comments whats just to the affect that there is a possibility it could happen. The shear mentioning of it set off the obvious people. Now, when approached with intelligent banter, such as you bring, it makes the thread and the discussion of possible options, much more fun. It's the simple minded retort of certain individuals with clear elementary tactics, that ruins the entire thing. You obviously too have seen that, although not a direct threat, the Bosh thing has been mentioned, the James thing was a possibility. This being a thread simply stating possible moves that COULD be made, ideas are going to be thrown around, and no one should take threat, or to heart what is being mentioned. It is people like yourself Chutney, who make posting fun. Bring the smart side of a debate to life, not stoop to a child like mentality, and attempt to bring people down. If I was in that category, I'd be posting the idiotic PM's I did receive, however, they are answered, and deleted, and done with. Some people just don't learn.
I take a look at everything Atlanta gave up to pry Joe Johnson away from the Suns, and you would have to expect the Raptors would demand even more for Chris Bosh. Personally I don't think Chris Bosh will leave Toronto, with Colangelo in place. However, if the right deal comes along, OR a collapse in the contract talks takes place, there's always a possibility.
Thanks for the compliments KICKS. I just didn't want to see a well-thought out thread ruined over stupid arguments. Back to the topic though, I think the Bulls should try to pry one of these players away from a trade. This year's FA market is pretty weak (btw, you forgot to add Nene and Joel Pryzbilla) and the Bulls shouldn't feel pressured to spend money just because they have it. Maybe spend some money on Nene or another athletic post scorer, but I don't see too many players that will be worth the money they'll command.
True. The 2007 FA class is the big one. However, as far as Nene, his injury history scares me off too much. Especially the money he's been talking about wanting. I see him and Chandler forming a similar frontcourt as in Denver, however, we need low post scoring to draw in doubles for our perimeter players. In true restrospect, I think I'd rather us hold our cap for next season, extend Hinrich, keep our 2 draft picks, and look at next summer's class for a FA. Keeping in mind we hold the Knicks first round pick in '07. All of a sudden, between this summer and next, the Bulls can compile a whole lot of young stud assets, even if some might be trade bait for a big time player, maybe a sign and trade, down the road.
I am more concerned getting the young core resigned when the contracts are up. Meaning having the money when it comes to that time. I am talking Hinrich, Gordon, Deng...until a few weeks ago Duhon and Nocioni.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting I-Miss-MJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I am more concerned getting the young core resigned when the contracts are up. Meaning having the money when it comes to that time. I am talking Hinrich, Gordon, Deng...until a few weeks ago Duhon and Nocioni.</div> I have heard from some sources that when Andres contract expires their is a good chance he may return to play overseas again. Supposable he likes the game that they play overseas as opposed to the NBA. However, if he stays in the league it likely he will remain a Bull for a while.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If either of you knew my history on this site at all, you'd both know I post nothing but direct info and things I hear stright from scouts and other people of importance through out the NBA media. I don't waste my time and effort "making stuff up" And none of this is "in my opinion".</div> Trust me man, I know your reputation on this forum, your one of the best posters here, but it's not like I don't know my stuff either. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And posting anything that RealGM has on their site, is like saying you heard it from Bosh over wings at Fridays, Highly unbeleivable.</div> It's a direct quote, it's not a trade rumor or anything, it's a quote from James himself. I've seen interviews myself where he has said he wants to stay in Toronto. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">however, posting and freaking out because you dont enjoy the POSSIBILITY of losing a star, dont attack me. I didnt say it's set in stone, I never said the deal was done. I'm simply posting what I have read, what I have BEEN TOLD, and reports I have witnessed. They are your problem, their information is what is nagging you. As the old addage goes, don't shoot the messanger.</div> I'm not freaking out, it's just hard to believe you when I have seen interviews and articles saying Bosh would like to stay. Plus, I'm getting tired of everyone dissing Toronto and saying it's not a basketball city and will never be able to keep a big name star (not you, but tons of other people). <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My sources aren't internet chatrooms and newspapers.</div> 'Gimme some time, I'mma go search and bring up every single article which supports everything I just said.' That's what you said. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They are actual human beings. If I could record my cell phone conversations, I would, just to appease you. However, ask anyone who knows me, I dont post unless it's things I know.</div> Again, I know your reputation, but it's hard to believe you when you have no proof.
^^^^^ this is a dead issue. As you may have noticed, Shape, myself, Chutney, have ended it. It's done. At least you didn't do what norespect did and end up suspended. It's through, we've all moved on, as I've said, if I could record my conversations and upload them on here I would. In any event, that's interesting about Nocioni. I've heard some odd things about him as of late. He's kind of an out there kinda guy. I dont know if it's homesickness, or he doesnt like the rep he got as a dirty/agressive player or what. I'm all for saving money to re-sign some core guys, such as Hinrich and maybe Deng, I just still am not that impressed with Gordon as the future at the 2guard, and especially not for more than what his rookie contract gives him. In my eyes, he a 2K version of Tony Delk. Delk dropped 50+ once, and that's kept him in the league as on off the pine gunner. Gordon doesnt posess any other skills that merit a huge deal and investing a large chunk of our cap in.
interesting topic I would also love to see Bosh come to chicago. Some might remember the poll i started a while back, where i brought up a rumor about a Gordon-Chandler/Bosh trade. The majority voted against that trade...I would do it though, especially with the draft picks we have now. But i would like to ask you guys about what you would do with our 'second' draft pick this year. As it stands now, it would be in the 10 to 15th pick area... It seems everyone agrees on the idea to draft a big guard with that pick (ideally we would draft Aldrigde with our first one from the knicks). But who would you guys pick. It seems Brewer is a popular choice, but i was wondering about Brandon Roy. From what i read about him, he's a big guard, a scorer, wih a very good midrange game, and a very good defender. Seems like a good fit to me. But living in Belgium, i rarely get to see NCAA games, except on NASN, and i haven't seen Roy play yet. Anyone seen him play yet? And if so, what do you think about him?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But i would like to ask you guys about what you would do with our 'second' draft pick this year</div> Brewer does seem to be a popular pick, however, I would prefer a scorer. Brewer does a little bit of everything, score, assist, rebound, and is killer on D, however, I feel we have a lot of good defenders, and do well as a team. I think wat we lack is a guy on the perimeter who can just go out, no plays, one on one, get a basket. Score when he has to, hit a three, create his own shot, and if you look at who might be there at 10. Does Rodney Carney fall to 10? Is Randy Foye too small? JJ Redick as a shooter? (not my choice) Can Mardy Collins be a scorer? We know he locks down on D. Brandon Roy, he's 6-6, has developed an outside shot, plays good D, can create and also dish, he's a Sr. who should be ready to come in and contribute right away. I really like Roy, but, it's depending on who's there, what moves we might make, and who we decide to take with our first pick.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Brewer does seem to be a popular pick, however, I would prefer a scorer. Brewer does a little bit of everything, score, assist, rebound, and is killer on D, however, I feel we have a lot of good defenders, and do well as a team. I think wat we lack is a guy on the perimeter who can just go out, no plays, one on one, get a basket. Score when he has to, hit a three, create his own shot, and if you look at who might be there at 10. Does Rodney Carney fall to 10? Is Randy Foye too small? JJ Redick as a shooter? (not my choice) Can Mardy Collins be a scorer? We know he locks down on D. Brandon Roy, he's 6-6, has developed an outside shot, plays good D, can create and also dish, he's a Sr. who should be ready to come in and contribute right away. I really like Roy, but, it's depending on who's there, what moves we might make, and who we decide to take with our first pick.</div> My personal favorite is Randy Foye I met this kid earlier in the year when I went to a Villanova game, and I have to say he is one of the most respectful, and dedicated kids you will meet. He is a flat out scorer who has managed to develop into a top NBA prospect. He s also tough from birth he lost both parents at a young age, and still turned out to be one of the best players in college basketball. Not to mention a great person off the court. However, I feel he is too similar to Ben Gordon both are 6?3?, and play the off guard role. I don?t see how we can go and select another small guard. Although, I would not be disappointed if we did.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My personal favorite is Randy Foye I met this kid earlier in the year when I went to a Villanova game, and I have to say he is one of the most respectful, and dedicated kids you will meet</div> Exactly. I've played ball with him over the past couple summers when he comes home to Jersey, and he would be my hearts choice. To have an outstanding guy from my current home state (NJ) go play for my hometown birthplace team (Chi) would be great. Although, as you said, from a team standpoint, 2 guys who play almost the same position, although I think Foys is a better player. Much better defender, rebounder, and his size, although 6-3, he'd be able to match up with bigger guards do to his strong safety body style.
Um...........you backpeddaled huge. First you said that Bosh is not re-signing because he and his agent were quoted as saying so, then later you say that its your opinion. Then you say you have proof (ie. articles) supporting these claims, then you say they were during cell phone calls. Since when is a phone call with someone a reputable source. My girlfriends' brothers' second cousin once told me that Kirk Hinrich will be a raptor next year.......YOU CAN COUNT ON IT! You keep talkin about that you have this great rep and you used to play ball, and blaah blaah blaah......You can always give your opinion, but make sure that you say that, and that its not some guy you know on the other end of a cell phone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and that its not some guy you know on the other end of a cell phone.</div> When that guy is an NBA agent for SFX, who has clients who play for the Raptors, it's not your mother's gay uncles lovechild. I never backpedaled either. I heard it from both sources. And my rep, I think the above few people backed that, and finally, I see you are back from your suspension, congrats, are you begging to be expelled next. It's over, you're done, stop cluttering our posts with your nonsense. All the above people are having a relevent discussion, you, are not. Buh bye!
norespect, you haven't been on this forum long enough to question KICK's credibility. He wouldn't make up sources just to prove a random point on a basketball board: thats such a juvenile thing to do. Besides, that aspect of the thread really has been talked over. There is a possibility that Bosh leaves, but this thread is meant to discuss Chicago's offseason. Not Bosh's resigning.
