So if YOU Were Colangelo...What Would Be Your Priority moves?

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  1. Gotrunks226

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    Dunleavy and Battier are locked up long term .. so i don't think they are FA's..

    However if i were him,
    1. Extend Chris Bosh
    2. Attempt to trade the 2006 draft pick for a solid Center or player. Maybe even try trading for 2007 first round picks and try to land Greg Oden if he enters.
    3. Consider resigning Mike James pending on how much he wants.
    4. Re-evaluate Sam Mitchell.

    5. Maybe far-fetched but lure Nash, Amare, and Marion out of Phoenix.. LOL
     
  2. MAKEOUTCITY

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    1. give bosh a nice massage.
    2. get bosh to sign an extension.
    3. re-sign mike james.
    4. draft reddick
    5. give araujo a sweet chin music.
    6. get rid of players like the red rocket and eric "crybaby" williams.
    7. sign pryzbilla (forget nene).
    8. get the team/coaches together and watch hardball (good movie).
     
  3. Buckets

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    1) Re-Sign Chris Bosh.
    2) Go after a big man. (Nene, Brezec, Pryzbilla)
    3) Re-Sign Mike James.
    4) Draft a Swingman. (Rudy Gay)
    5) Sign a decent Free Agent pick up. (Voshon Lenard, Willie Green, Ronald Murray)
     
  4. 02civic

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">give credit to embry for that one. its already done. we shipped him off to NOK for a pair of 2nd rounders.

    you must have meant alvin. id expect YOU of all people to already know about that little transaction [​IMG]</div>


    actually that was a Babcock move that was in the works. Babcock got fired before it was done and Embry just completed it. Same with the Rose trade.
     
  5. 02civic

    02civic JBB JustBBall Rookie Team

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    i also hate that there's are so many people suggesting signing Nene and Pryzbilla. Nene is injured more often than not. He missed 27 games last season and all but 1 game this season due to injuries...no thank you. Besides there's always dumb teams throwing HUGE money at bigs with limited abilities or injuries, and i dont want the Raps to be the team paying Nene 9-11 million a season to be constantly injured. Pryzbilla's 6 boards 6 points and 2.5 blocks in 25 mins would be nice to have...but i doubt its worth the price tag he'll come with.
     
  6. Premium

    Premium JBB I'm kind of a big deal

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    ^^ok, so who do we go after then?
     
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    i know it may be a long shot, but in my opinion a player that would fit the mold for us and be great to go after would be Al Harrington. I know that he might be a tough sell, and maybe we'de have to over pay a bit (say 3 yrs 30 mil) but I do not have a doubt in my mind that if next year he is on our team and we can re-sign mike, we will be in the playoffs. I don't know if any of you guys noticed during the Hawks-Raps game, but it seemed CB4 was talking to Al quite a bit during the game. Earlier CB4 said he was putting bugs in peoples ear about the possibility of coming to Toronto, and I could be dead wrong, but I think that he could've been talking to Al about that type of thing. My top 4 free agents for the Raps to go after would be in order: 1. Harrington 2. Nene 3. Przybilla 4. Stojakovic (a long shot, but worth a try)
     
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    Buckets mentioned signing Brezec, and I think that Brezec might be underated and we might be able to get him for a reasonable contract like the Bulls got Songailia and like the Hawks got Pachulia.

    Nice idea Buckets!
     
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    ^^ i agree, Brezec is the best idea i've seen here. You could sign him for less than a Pryzbilla or Nene, and save cap room for 2007 when some big names come up for free agency, and we will be attractive to them so why not wait? We have a respected GM, Bosh and CV and a developing team, good chemistry, not spectacular but solid coaching, (we are playing .500 ball after the first) and a team with a bright future so we would definately be a consideration to a lot of big names. For now Brezec fits right in and with a couple of solid role / bench players to upgrade our top 10 and we will be solid...hopefully Colangelo can trade Bonner!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jones:</div><div class="quote_post">.hopefully Colangelo can trade Bonner!</div>
    I think Bonner only has one more year left after this one, and his contract isn't very big. So I don't see much of a problem. He also is a genuinely nice guy, and if someone gets injured his minutes will be appreciated. Also his 3-pt shot has came along quicker than expected.
     
  11. norespect

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">
    For real ...

    1. Extend Chris Bosh to a max deal
    2. Fly overseas and convince Roko Ukic to come over ASAP
    3. Unload the dead weight on this team (Alvin Williams, Eric Williams, & Rafael Araujo)
    4. Convince Antonio Davis to stick around for half the MLE
    5. Package the 2006 1st RND pick with above dead weight for two quality proven players (preferably Shane Battier, Mighty Mouse & Memphis 2007 1st RND pick)

    <u>Projected 2006-07 Lineup</u>

    PG - Mighty Mouse
    SG - Roko Ukic
    SF - Shane Battier
    PF - Charlie V.
    C - Chris Bosh</div>

    Thats awful. Thank god you aren't our GM. Damon is way past his prime and would be a huge step back from the PG we have playing this year. Roko Ukic didn't want to come over and he isn't exaclty torching the hardwood overseas, and you have him starting next year? Isn't he playing like 12 minutes a game in spain or something? And you have CB4 playing out of postion, banging against larger guys and not using his speed for his size to his advantage. Battier is solid.......but thats about it for your lineup.

    1. Sign Chris Bosh
    2. Don't sign Mike James, and go after Nene and Peja
    3. Get rid of alvin, eric, bonner and Hoffa.......that list is pretty long.
     
  12. 02civic

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ok, so who do we go after then?</div>


    I'm a fan of small ball, young players, and not spending tons of money on overrated "bigs". Nene is far far far to injury prone. Pryzbilla would be a nice move but expect him to be looking for 9million +. Teams will pay that much for a 7 point 7 rebound 2.5 block guy...look what Foyle got.

    My suggestion? Draft Sheldon Williams and he's our new center. At 6,9 he's undersized but he's like Ben Wallace in that he's a terrific shot blocker, rebounder and he muscles down in the paint very well.
    He'll get us more blocks per game then Nene would while being less risky. And he's a ton more affordable and younger than Pryzbilla. In today's league you dont need a 7 footer to be effective at the 5 spot. Ben Wallace is doing a great job...a barely 6'10 Amare obviously held down the spot last year, and as i recently found out Boris Diaw is doing a hell of a job at Pheonix's 5 spot.
    In case you didnt know Diaw is a former backup PG in Atlanta.

    Sheldon Williams
    Chris Bosh
    Charlie V

    Thats a solid enough and big enough front line to cause problems for many other teams. Sure Sheldon will need help on Shaq and a few of the top 5's...but vs nearly every other 5 in the league i feel as if he'll be able to hold his own if not surpass them with his great shot blocking and rebounding game.
     
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    ..in response to those saying dont sign Mike James.

    With all the changes we've put Chris Bosh through and now with his free agency looming dont you think we need to sign Mike James simply BECAUSE thats what Chris Bosh wants? We're probably not going to find a better point gaurd as it is , so i say go ahead and sign him to the 5-6 mil a year. His numbers are solid, he's a decent team leader and Chris would like it.

    Sign him and keep Jose as the backup. In a few years look to trade either him or Jose and then bring over Ukic.
     
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    For you guys who were suggesting Brezec, I don't think he'd really help you guys. Would he be a legit center who could allow Bosh to play the 4? Yes, but then what do you do with Villanueva? Also, he's not a good defender, so you're not gaining anything on the defensive end. I see that as a lateral move for the Raptors. They'd be better off getting a better defensive center who would play fewer minutes, allowing Bosh to slide to the 4 for stretches but also go to the bench and allow Villanueva and Bosh to play together, so it doesn't stunt Charlie's growth.
     
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    Actually, Villanueva has played the 3 when he's started, and performed pretty well (around 17 ppg since he's started).
     
  16. Drake Remoray

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">

    <u>Projected 2006-07 Lineup</u>

    PG - Mighty Mouse
    SG - Roko Ukic
    SF - Shane Battier
    PF - Charlie V.
    C - Chris Bosh</div>

    I don't like the look of that team for Toronto. Roko is an unproven factor is built like a stick. I'm not knocking your choice, but what is the rationale behind that, (starting Roko over Morris Petterson) and signing/trading for 2/5's of the Grizzlies starting 5 instead of going after a real centre? I know you have the idea of small ball but, that lineup will have us decimated against any good team. If the two Grizzlies mentioned had been Lorezen Wright and Shane Battier and no Roko, that line up would have been more sense to me.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post"> it.I'm a fan of small ball, young players, and not spending tons of money on overrated "bigs". Nene is far far far to injury prone. Pryzbilla would be a nice move but expect him to be looking for 9million +. Teams will pay that much for a 7 point 7 rebound 2.5 block guy...look what Foyle got.

    My suggestion? Draft Sheldon Williams and he's our new center. At 6,9 he's undersized but he's like Ben Wallace in that he's a terrific shot blocker, rebounder and he muscles down in the paint very well.
    He'll get us more blocks per game then Nene would while being less risky. And he's a ton more affordable and younger than Pryzbilla. In today's league you dont need a 7 footer to be effective at the 5 spot. Ben Wallace is doing a great job...a barely 6'10 Amare obviously held down the spot last year, and as i recently found out Boris Diaw is doing a hell of a job at Pheonix's 5 spot.
    In case you didnt know Diaw is a former backup PG in Atlanta.

    Sheldon Williams
    Chris Bosh
    Charlie V

    Thats a solid enough and big enough front line to cause problems for many other teams. Sure Sheldon will need help on Shaq and a few of the top 5's...but vs nearly every other 5 in the league i feel as if he'll be able to hold his own if not surpass them with his great shot blocking and rebounding game.

    </div>

    I disagree with you on the Raptors drafting Shelden Williams. He doesn't have the same athletecism that someone like Ben Wallace has, and that makes all the difference in the world when in comes to NBA shot blocking. Sure he'll get his share of boards but he will have trouble guarding the better post players of the NBA. The Raptors need a legit centre, not a PF masquerading as one. I'm not knocking Shelden Williams in anyway, but I don't think that the Raptors will benefit from his acquistion. One quantity you mentioned in all the undersized players above (save Diaw) was their explosive athleticism. Shelden Williams, is a good athlete but by know means an explosive one. Concerning Diaw, Shelden doesn't have the same skillset as Diaw, thus his defensive talents aren't the same. Watching Diaw play defense how 5's, he simply looks to deny the entry pass or get the steal, his post up defense isn't especially advanced to say that he would lock down the Shaqs of the world (when Phoenix routed Houston last month, he did a good job on Yao Ming when he was on him, it was pretty evident that he had a disadvantage, even though Yao couldn't score) I don't know, in this draft, if the Raptors drop low enough to draft Shelden maybe 7th or lower (depending on how his stock goes) there are other names at PG/SG/SF the Raptors or more likely to get. Based on how Colangelo drafts (just surmissing from all the info shown from him lately), I don't think he would draft Williams either. (Besides Toronto should be banned from taking on more players with the last name Williams lol).
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting norespect:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats awful. Thank god you aren't our GM. Damon is way past his prime and would be a huge step back from the PG we have playing this year. Roko Ukic didn't want to come over and he isn't exaclty torching the hardwood overseas, and you have him starting next year? Isn't he playing like 12 minutes a game in spain or something? And you have CB4 playing out of postion, banging against larger guys and not using his speed for his size to his advantage. Battier is solid.......but thats about it for your lineup.

    1. Sign Chris Bosh
    2. Don't sign Mike James, and go after Nene and Peja
    3. Get rid of alvin, eric, bonner and Hoffa.......that list is pretty long.</div>

    Damon would be a step back from your PG this year, yet you don't want to re-sign Mike James?

    I selected Damon Stoudamire because he was a fan favorite in Toronto and brings some veteran leadership to the Raptors. He was playing great team basketball with the Grizzlies this year until he went down with an injury. The Grizzlies were 18-10 when he was starting, and they have gone 13-16 since he's been injured. I think he would be a good short term solution at PG, to experiment playing small-ball and running the uptempo offense like the Suns.

    His salary is reasonable even when the Raptors slide him into a backup role. In the meantime he could be the player the Raptors could count on down the stretch when the team needs a basket. Mighty Mouse can beat his man off the dribble any time he wants, can shoot from the perimeter, shoots a high clip from the FT line, and can create for a teammate if the defense collapses.

    Look at the difference Sam Cassell is making with the Clippers. He's obviously past his prime, but he's brought a winning attitude to their franchise and is helping groom their future PG, Shaun Livingston.

    Based on your comments about Roko Ukic, I'm guessing you've probably never seen him play. He might be skinny, but he's not weak by any means. He's just one of those wirey strong people like a Tayshaun Prince of Kevin Garnett.

    Despite his frame, Ukic has great lateral movement and takes full advantage of his length. He was projected to be a lottery pick last year, but rumors circulated he wasn't going to come over to the states yet, and he also had an injury set him back in workouts. The Raptors got a steal landing him in the second round, and Ukic coveniently has an out-clause in his contract for the 2006-07 season. Brian Colangelo has plenty of experience with international players, and he will do a great job of selling his vision to Ukic and giving him an understanding of how he fits into that vision.

    Roko Ukic caught the eye of scouts after his defensive shutdown of highly touted high school phenom Sebastian Telfair. Everyone's seen Telfair's quickness on the court, well Ukic is even quicker than Telfair and at 6-5 he's going to be tough for SGs to stay in front of.

    I put him in the starting lineup because he gives the Raptors another ball handler alongside Stoudamire, with the ability to guard either backcourt position. Having him with Bosh and Villanueva pressuring the ball fullcourt, would make it difficult for teams to get into their offense.

    Eventually he would probably evolve into the starting PG for this team, so having him learn alongside Stoudamire would be an ideal fit.

    If the Raptors play Bosh at Center, how is he not able to take advantage of his speed?

    He's going to continue to bulk up, and having him at center along with 4 other quick players really puts big men at a disadvantage. The Raptors can take a big man out of the game by just running the opposition to death. Just look at how the Suns took Shaq and Yao out of a game, because of their ability to control tempo. On defense it's the same thing, big men need time to set up in the post, so the Raptors would press the opposition and force the team to shoot deeper into the shot clock than they like. Even if they score, Chris Bosh can fly down the court to score on the other end.

    Shelden Williams is no Ben Wallace. Not even close, he's not an explosive leaper, he's not as athletic, and he's not strong enough to hold position against big men. If college players are able to move him around, NBA players are going to go right through him.

    Drake Remoray - You're right Roko is unproven, but if he's struggling, the Raptors would have the benefit of having him come off the bench behind Mo Peterson. In fact maybe it would be better for him to substitute off the bench for Damon or Mo Pete. However, when the Raptors really want to crank up the tempo and pressure the basketball Ukic needs to be on the court.

    Adding these players also sets up the Raptors for cap flexibility in 2007. The 2006 free agent market is weak and the 2006 draft class isn't top heavy in talent. The Raptors would be lucky to get a Shane Battier with this year's pick, so they might as well ship it off for a proven Battier.

    No sense in over spending in 2006 either. Give this group of players a year together and then add the missing piece in the very talented 2007 free agent market and draft class.
     
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    the brezec move seems the most logical, but i think a rugged big man of the jamaal magolire stock compliments bosh better. bosh needs a tough guy beside him to obsecure his lack of it. also, some perimter help is desperately needed, how about a trade for joe johnson?
     
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    Instead of signing a big man, I would rather draft a big man and sign a swing.

    I agree with Scott Carefoot on RaptorsBlog.com

    Draft Andrea Bargnani and let opposing teams figure out how to match up with our line up.

    Imagine this team

    C - Andrea Bargnani 6'11
    PF - Chris Bosh 6'10
    SF - Charlie Villanueva 6'10
    SG - Peja Stojakovic 6'9
    PG - Mike James 6'2

    Bench

    Mo Pete
    Joey Graham
    Jose Calderon
    Roko Ukic
    Pape Sow

    I would also look to move Bonner, Williams, and consider re-signing Davis for minimum.


    Everyone (with the exception of Bosh) can hit the three with consistancy. We are long and athelic up front. HUGE match up problems in the front court. Can spread the defense in all 5 spots.

    Imagine an iso for Chris Bosh. Would you dare double him? If you don't he is going to score or get fouled. If you do he has 4 players who can all hit from long range. The team can run the floor like deers. 2-3 zone would be really really long. The front court can back off players because of their length and quickness and still bother the shot.

    So, if I were Colangelo, the obvious first is to sign Bosh, but as far as free agency, Peja and Draft Bargnani.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Carcharias:</div><div class="quote_post">

    Draft Andrea Bargnani and let opposing teams figure out how to match up with our line up.

    C - Andrea Bargnani 6'11
    PF - Chris Bosh 6'10
    SF - Charlie Villanueva 6'10
    SG - Peja Stojakovic 6'9
    PG - Mike James 6'2
    </div>

    My question to that would be, can Andrea Bargani guard the 5 position or play it? I was under the impression that his post up game wasn't especially developed and that he was better suited to a 3/4. I've only seen a few of his games on the Euro channel (including his Grec killer) but he doesn't seem especially developped in the post. I like that lineup though lol. Really talented and big, especially in the Eastern Conference.

    My question for anyone in the know is, from seeing him play, how NBA ready is Andrea Bargani?
     

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