Pats Vs Dirty Birds

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  1. bakes781

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    The Falcons present an unusual challenge. Vick is the ultimate play maker. With his feet 1st, but don?t be fooled into thinking he can?t hurt you with his arm too. His is after all Atlanta?s Superman. Their D ain?t too shabby either. The Patriots will have their hands full for sure. They showed a severe weakness at stopping the run last week against SD. With DVD(Dunn, Vick & Duckett) in the opposing backfield, there?s no doubt what the Falcons game plan will be on Sunday. To counter that the Patriots must get their own running game on track early. However with guys like Kerney & Brookings more than capable of stopping the run I?m afraid the Pats are headed for a record of below .500 after week 5. If this game were at Gilette I'd be picking the Pats, but on turf that will only add to the speed of Atlanta's offense.

    My prediction:

    Falcons 23
    Pats 20
     
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    Pats37 The Next Big Thing

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Falcons present an unusual challenge. Vick is the ultimate play maker. With his feet 1st, but don?t be fooled into thinking he can?t hurt you with his arm too. His is after all Atlanta?s Superman. Their D ain?t too shabby either. The Patriots will have their hands full for sure. They showed a severe weakness at stopping the run last week against SD. With DVD(Dunn, Vick & Duckett) in the opposing backfield, there?s no doubt what the Falcons game plan will be on Sunday. To counter that the Patriots must get their own running game on track early. However with guys like Kerney & Brookings more than capable of stopping the run I?m afraid the Pats are headed for a record of below .500 after week 5. If this game were at Gilette I'd be picking the Pats, but on turf that will only add to the speed of Atlanta's offense.

    My prediction:

    Falcons 23
    Pats 20</div>

    I hate to agree with you but they definitely will be a huge challenge for us this week...but I definitely think we can pull it together..as long as our Depleted secondary can come together and commincate better than last week and not let people run free in the secondary I think Vick's passing will not be a problem. The biggest thing will be to somehow get our O-line going in the ground game so Dillon can help keep our Defense off the field and in the passing game keep Tabs on Rod Coleman..he is a machine. Its going to be tough but I think the Pats can win this game though it should be close.

    Pats 27
    Atl 20
     
  3. bakes781

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    Yeah I just think it's a bad matchup for us especially on turf & if Seymour is out.
     
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    Ya if seymores out we could be in for a long day...I think he'll play though. He finished the game against the chargers last week..I think they are just resting him in practice to make sure they don't lose another key player on Defense.
     
  5. JustBry07

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    This is going to be a tough game for the Falcons. Our offense needs to get that #1 rushing attack going combined with some good passing. The defense needs to play well, they need to create some turnovers and put pressure on Brady. If we do that I think we have a great chance at winning this game, especially in the Dome. It could go either way, and I think it will be a close one. In the end I'm going with the Falcons taking the W.

    Falcons 24 - Patriots 21
     
  6. panthersare#1

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    The only time i want the patriots to win is when they are playing a NFC team espically nfc south. So i think the patriots will come out with a win, because the patriots havent lost two straight in a long time
     
  7. DolfanDale

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>Vick is the ultimate play maker. With his feet 1st, but don?t be fooled into thinking he can?t hurt you with his arm too. His is after all Atlanta?s Superman.</div>

    A QB that has never thrown more than 16 td passes in a season is the ultimate play maker? A QB with personal high rating of 83.0 and a lifetime rating of 77.3 is Superman? (Too bad his secret identity as Ron Mexico was exposed, but I really don't consider spreading herpes a secret power.) I realize that he runs the ball too, but he only had 3 tds rushing for a total of 19 tds for the season. That is not being the ultimate play maker. If he's the ultimate play maker, perhaps they could do something like lead the league in scoring or something. Yes, he's an elusive runner and requires that defenses to be disciplined, but the Patriots have a disciplined defense. Can Vick hurt you with his arm? On occasion, but he's just a likely to throw a rocket that doinks harmlessly of the ground. The key will be how well the Falcon's defense plays. They are grossly underrated thanks to all the hype surrounding Vick.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>Vick is the ultimate play maker. With his feet 1st, but don?t be fooled into thinking he can?t hurt you with his arm too. His is after all Atlanta?s Superman.</div>

    A QB that has never thrown more than 16 td passes in a season is the ultimate play maker? A QB with personal high rating of 83.0 and a lifetime rating of 77.3 is Superman? (Too bad his secret identity as Ron Mexico was exposed, but I really don't consider spreading herpes a secret power.) I realize that he runs the ball too, but he only had 3 tds rushing for a total of 19 tds for the season. That is not being the ultimate play maker. If he's the ultimate play maker, perhaps they could do something like lead the league in scoring or something. Yes, he's an elusive runner and requires that defenses to be disciplined, but the Patriots have a disciplined defense. Can Vick hurt you with his arm? On occasion, but he's just a likely to throw a rocket that doinks harmlessly of the ground. The key will be how well the Falcon's defense plays. They are grossly underrated thanks to all the hype surrounding Vick.</div>

    Every QB is liable to throw a wayward pass and you can not possibly name one QB that hasn't in their career. Does the fact that without Vick the Falcons went 5-11 or something and with him they have a remarkably better record, like a .750! Whether that comes down to the fact that he is a leader and they play better with him or else his playmaking. I dont know but please don't play down firstly Mick Vick's athleticism and his ability to constatnly make plays and secondly his importance to the Falcons Offense
     
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    They started 2 seasons ago with a 2-9 record and went 3-1 with him under centre!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wannab Favre)</div><div class='quotemain'>Every QB is liable to throw a wayward pass and you can not possibly name one QB that hasn't in their career. Does the fact that without Vick the Falcons went 5-11 or something and with him they have a remarkably better record, like a .750! Whether that comes down to the fact that he is a leader and they play better with him or else his playmaking. I dont know but please don't play down firstly Mick Vick's athleticism and his ability to constatnly make plays and secondly his importance to the Falcons Offense</div>

    I guess you didn't read my post in the thread about Quincy Carter. The Falcons win-loss record is a something that the Falcons have earned as a team. You look at a QB's stats in order to determine if he is one of the strengths or weaknesses of his team. Michael Vick's passing stats are not the stats that a starting QB should be putting up. Those stats say that the Falcon's sorely need to find a better passer to keep defenses honest. I understand that Michael Vick's running ability is one of the reasons that he has managed to hold onto his starting job, but until the Falcons address the sorry state of their passing game, they will run into a rushing defense, like the Eagles in last year's Championship game, that will prevent them from making a legitimate run at a World Championship. The INDISPUTABLE Truth is that while Michael Vick pretends to be a QB, the Falcons offense is one dimensional. By the way, the fact that the Falcons' win-loss record improved when Ron Mexico came back last year was simply a coincidence. Last year, the Falcons changed their defense to better suit their talent and they certainly have a lot of talent on defense. You would never know that because the whores of media can't pry their lips off of Mexico's backside in order to tell you about guys like Patrick Kearney or Keith Brooking.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>A QB that has never thrown more than 16 td passes in a season is the ultimate play maker?</div>

    The same guy who made the Pro Bowl last year over Brett Favre who had better stats in EVERY category, other than rushing. [​IMG]
     
  12. JustBry07

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    [quote name='DolfanDale']You look at a QB's stats in order to determine if he is one of the strengths or weaknesses of his team. Michael Vick's passing stats are not the stats that a starting QB should be putting up. Those stats say that the Falcon's sorely need to find a better passer to keep defenses honest.[/quote]

    Have you ever looked at Vick's pass attempts compared to most of the other starting QB's in the league? He has nowhere near the attempts most of them do, so naturally he isn't going to have really impressive stats. It's a simple concept really. The Falcons are a rushing team, and they're successful doing that. That doesn't mean Vick can't pass the ball and be successful doing it. He could pass for 300+ yards and throw 3TD's but if we lose it doesn't seem so meaningful. It's about the result of all those stats that mean the most, especially to a team and their fans who have never seen back-to-back winning seasons. I find stats to be overrated, in the end winning is everything and no matter how many yards or TD's a QB posts during the season all they really want is to win the big one in the end.

    Sure, that and the fact that he is a leader and helps the team to win with his arm and legs. He helps just as much as the other players on the team.

    Of course because there's no way Vick helps his team to win football games. [​IMG]

    Who cares what the media has to say, any intelligent football fan knows these things. I find it insulting to the Falcons entire team that the media gives them little credit and Vick most of it, but there is nothing that can be done about that. That isn't Vick's fault, he's a team player and every chance he gets he is giving all the credit in the world to the entire Falcons team. If people aren't smart enough to realize that football is a team sport and one man doesn't win games then maybe they should take up a new sport.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>
    Have you ever looked at Vick's pass attempts compared to most of the other starting QB's in the league? He has nowhere near the attempts most of them do, so naturally he isn't going to have really impressive stats. It's a simple concept really. The Falcons are a rushing team, and they're successful doing that. That doesn't mean Vick can't pass the ball and be successful doing it. He could pass for 300+ yards and throw 3TD's but if we lose it doesn't seem so meaningful. It's about the result of all those stats that mean the most, especially to a team and their fans who have never seen back-to-back winning seasons. I find stats to be overrated, in the end winning is everything and no matter how many yards or TD's a QB posts during the season all they really want is to win the big one in the end.
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    Stats are not misleading, especially when you compare efficiency. He is WAY less efficient throwing than most other QBs. Thus not a good passer or QB
     
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    Vick was downgraded to Questionable today. Looks like Matt Schaub might get the nod.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Vick was downgraded to Questionable today. Looks like Matt Schaub might get the nod.</div>

    Really? Where did you hear that?
     
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    Doh, I'm sorry. I mixed and matched two articles that I read this morning.

    Looks like the Falcons are staying mum on Vick and he will be a game time decision. Sorry, man. Didn't mean to post misinformation.
     
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    Yeah, I just read the article about it. There is still the possibility that he won't play and Schaub will be the starter, not good.
     
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    Im actually really looking foward to this game, I hope they play it down here. The Falcon's run gam should dominate but you can never EVEEEER Count out the Pats!
     
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    Vick is questonable for the game. I dont think he will start. With Vick out of the game, the running game wont be as effective because with Vick you had to make sure the backside run was blocked off
     
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    I don't think Schaub has the experience to lead the offense against the Patriots. If Vick doesn't play, our running game needs to still be effective and our defense needs to have a solid game. If we can do that, then I think we still could win, even without Vick.
     

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