<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Its still a very simple offense and the fact that we are among the league leader in ppg is because of our talented offensive players, rather than coaching. You can see the flaws in our offense when the Raps have a bad shooting night or the game comes down to the wire. The team doesn't space themselves properly, theres no movement without the ball, and it really comes down to one or two players shooting the ball. Add to that his inability to adapt to the other team's defense, and his passive nature when it comes to his stars and you have an offense that looks better than it is.</div> ummm doesn't any teams offence look flawed and bad on bad shooting nights? And our offense is good only b/c we have talented players and not b/c Mitchell has implemented a style that suits them best? As for spacing at the end of games, when you are spread out across the 3 pt line for swings and pick & roll(which has been said is the only play Mitchell calls) isn't that a condradiction to not being spaced? You call plays at the end to your strengths. We don't have a spectacular depth, all we really have is CB best around 16 so he can either beat ppl off the dribble with his quickness or shoot his money shot or we've got Mike James whose strength is putting the ball on the floor or making clutch 3s. Don't get me wrong, cuz I'd like to see more James drive and kick to Mo Pete, but really I see where he is coming from. What would you like to see at the end? A bunch of picks so Bonner can try a 3? A play for a rookie? Maybe something to Hoffa? As for being passive to his stars...how so? This is the same Mitchell that benched Rose, will sit anyone if he thinks they deserve it. This is the same coach that CB asked to keep him humble. There are a lots of coaches who accomodate their stars, it isn't just Mitchell. Does Riley play tough with Shaq or Wade? Van Gundy with T-Mac or Yao? Lawrence Frank with Kidd, Jefferson, or Carter? etc etc etc
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jones:</div><div class="quote_post">wait wait wait! Where is everyone saying that Mitchell should be fired??? Now he is a great coach? Opinions shouldn't change just b/c we win or lose. If ppl saying that weren't more than bandwagon fans they would still be saying that he should be fired for whatever BS reason...we shouldn't have been down by that much, it was a broken play and Bosh scored, or it wasn't an "original" offensive play drawn up at the end. Well ALL season there have been a FEW of us that have constantly said that this team needs time to grow and gel and Mitchell it isn't Mitchell's fault, that it wasn't Babcock's fault (cuz this is still essentially the same team he built minus a bit) It was a great game and it'll be interesting to see if we can play spoiler some more! For all you so called supporters...make up your minds!</div> I just said that he did a good coaching job on this game. It doesn't mean anything about firing him, or saying that hes a bad coach, o yea kobe pulled out 81, how we lost to dallas with 20 point lead. Thats all bs, its over, passed now its present. KApeesh?
Who cares, your main point is "Fire Mitchell" Right? MY point is not fire mitchel, so why don't you do your thing while i do mine.
do you even know how to read...i've been against firing mitchell since day one...every single one of my posts has been against it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jones:</div><div class="quote_post">ummm doesn't any teams offence look flawed and bad on bad shooting nights? And our offense is good only b/c we have talented players and not b/c Mitchell has implemented a style that suits them best? As for spacing at the end of games, when you are spread out across the 3 pt line for swings and pick & roll(which has been said is the only play Mitchell calls) isn't that a condradiction to not being spaced? You call plays at the end to your strengths. We don't have a spectacular depth, all we really have is CB best around 16 so he can either beat ppl off the dribble with his quickness or shoot his money shot or we've got Mike James whose strength is putting the ball on the floor or making clutch 3s. Don't get me wrong, cuz I'd like to see more James drive and kick to Mo Pete, but really I see where he is coming from. What would you like to see at the end? A bunch of picks so Bonner can try a 3? A play for a rookie? Maybe something to Hoffa? As for being passive to his stars...how so? This is the same Mitchell that benched Rose, will sit anyone if he thinks they deserve it. This is the same coach that CB asked to keep him humble. There are a lots of coaches who accomodate their stars, it isn't just Mitchell. Does Riley play tough with Shaq or Wade? Van Gundy with T-Mac or Yao? Lawrence Frank with Kidd, Jefferson, or Carter? etc etc etc</div> Teams will always suffer from a bad shooting night, but teams with good coaches don't necessarily lose. Thats the point I'm trying to make, our ability to score is not because of Sam's coaching. He has a relatively simple plan that any idiot could have drawn up. The players have masked a relatively simple gameplan. A style that suits them well? Swinging the ball and pick n' rolls aren't anything special that other teams don't use. By spacing I was specifically referring to when Mike James rolls off a pick and runs into two defenders. Teams realized that they have to clog the lane if they wanted to prevent James from slashing down the lane, and Mitchell hasn't realized this. He needs to either find another way for James to break down the defense or try to create some space for him off the pick and roll. How is Mike James dribbling the ball for the last possession calling for multiple picks our strength? Our set plays have no motion, no ball movement, and no originality. I want to see players move without the ball. And with one full possession left, I want more players than Bosh and James to touch the ball. They don't necessarily have to shoot the ball, but he has to make sure that defenders don't cheat. Its nice that you use Jalen as an example of him being hard on our subs, but what about James and Bosh. James can go stretches where he continues to turn the ball over by forcing the ball or shooting early jumpers. Bosh often becomes passive, and neglects his post game and his ability to face up his defender. And why do the Raps always come out of a timeout playing exactly the same way? I'm not condemning Sam as the worst coach in the league (like the NBA players did). Just look at how Terry Stotts has a great Milwaukee team underachieving, and you'll realize that the Raps have overachieved in most of their wins. I just don't think Sam should be given credit for our ranking in offense, though. He needs improvement there. And our play down the stretch shows that the players deserve more credit than Sam.
I hear ya, and you make some good points, but to me it sounds more like you just don't like the style of play. Why is does there need to be something special that no other teams uses. Lots of our other players aren't capable of making good informed basketball decisions partly b/c of inexperience at the end of games. And if James dribbles into a double in the lane, kick it out, why is that Mitchell's fault? You leave scorers like Bosh or James in the game cuz they will get going, you have to have no conscience. I agree it wouldn't be a bad idea to pull them out for a minute and remind them of what they are doing. But Mitchell can't help if they come out flat after a timeout, he did his job by calling the timeout and talking to his team, they are the ones playing. You are also right that in the end the players deserve the credit for the #6 ranking on O but they also deserve the credit for the bad too then and so far that hasn't happened, Mitchell is the only one getting that. And who made the players step up? We sure weren't 6 offence on our 1-16 start. I'm not saying Mitchell is perfect or even great, but there are too many ppl talking too much smack when in reality he is great for THIS team. They are all growing together and will all take their lumps and they will ALL get better, as the team matures so will the offensive sets and plays as players are better equipped to understand, remember and execute them. Let's not forget how young or dumb(inexperienced) our team is. ...and Jalen was a starter when Sammy got harsh on him
