Tyson Chandler and offense.

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  1. tinyballer

    tinyballer JBB JustBBall Member

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    What is with his offense. Is he ever going to develop into a legitamate post threat or is his offense always going to be like that. Do you guys think he can ever develop in to a 20/10 guy??? I mean if he bulks up 20-30 pounds in off season and works on post moves do you think he will do it do you think it will happen?
     
  2. shankyoass

    shankyoass Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

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    he wont become a 20/10 guy. i just dont see it happening. The Eddy Curry + Tyson Chandler project failed miserabily IMO
     
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    Darko has a better chance of becoming an allstar then Tyson avergaging 20 points,
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Big Ticket:</div><div class="quote_post">Darko has a better chance of becoming an allstar then Tyson avergaging 20 points,</div>
    thats a depressing thought...

    i'd like chandler to be a 15pt 12 rbd guy, thats good enough for me
     
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    In his prime I see Tyson as a 15 points per game guy, 12 rebounds, and about 2 blocks a game. Chandler is more of a defensive player than a offensive superstar. Chandler has had a couple of 20 point games during his career, but the reason we resigned him was not to become an offensive power house, but for his defense and rebounding ability. Chandler is an incredible athlete, and is a great shot blocker he is to eager though and often picks up bad fouls at this stage in his career, but that will improve overtime. Overall I’m very satisfied with the season Chandler is having.
     
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    During one of the games a broadcaster mentioned that someone from the Pistons went to school with him and he commented on Chandler's play as non confident. I wish I could remember who said that but anyways, he went on to say that it is probally because he never went to college and he's getting pushed around a little. Also, didn't he not workout a lot over the summer for some reason or another? He needs to bulk up a little bit also.

    His offensive ability isn't soley his blame, the coaches never expected him to have a lot of action on offense, that was Eddy's job. I like what Chandler is now (compared to the begining of the season) with his rebounds and blocked shots. He can be very agressive which is great but also leads to fouls, some fouls aren't even fouls but by his nature and look of a play it looks like he's committing a foul.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bulls=Amazing:</div><div class="quote_post">During one of the games a broadcaster mentioned that someone from the Pistons went to school with him and he commented on Chandler's play as non confident. I wish I could remember who said that but anyways, he went on to say that it is probally because he never went to college and he's getting pushed around a little. Also, didn't he not workout a lot over the summer for some reason or another? He needs to bulk up a little bit also.

    His offensive ability isn't soley his blame, the coaches never expected him to have a lot of action on offense, that was Eddy's job. I like what Chandler is now (compared to the begining of the season) with his rebounds and blocked shots. He can be very agressive which is great but also leads to fouls, some fouls aren't even fouls but by his nature and look of a play it looks like he's committing a foul.</div>
    Tayshaun Prince was a serior when Tyson was a freshmen at Dominguez HS.
     
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    Sad thing is, Chandler was an offensive monster in HS. I'm not just talking dunks either. He could step out and pop 3's. Even looked pretty good doing it. When I saw him play during HS, I thought he was the next KG. Fluid, could do so much he was a 4 position kinda guy. I dont know WHAT THE HELL happened when he got to the NBA. However, if he became a Camby like 15 and 12 guy, it'd be above my expectations. If he goes 12-10-3(blocks) I'd be completely satisfied.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post"> If he goes 12-10-3(blocks) I'd be completely satisfied.</div>
    do you think thats worth 9-10mil per season though?
    those are all statistical based measures. But Chandler is meant to be a defensive player. So some of the stuff he does you cant measure by stats, but in terms of all defensive centers, do you think 9-10mil should buy you a all nba defensive 2nd team center, or maybe 3rd or 4th?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting NaKz:</div><div class="quote_post">do you think thats worth 9-10mil per season though?
    those are all statistical based measures. But Chandler is meant to be a defensive player. So some of the stuff he does you cant measure by stats, but in terms of all defensive centers, do you think 9-10mil should buy you a all nba defensive 2nd team center, or maybe 3rd or 4th?</div>

    I think it's pretty safe to say he will never be worth the money he's making. You just have to live with the fact that you have to overpay to get a decent big man these days.

    I have to agree with Kicksdaddy on this one. I don't think he will ever make it to 15 pts a game. And i too will be completely satisfied if he gets to 12-10-3 and becomes a Camby-type player. But i also won't be surprised if he gets traded in one of the following years.

    All in all, i can't help but feel a bit dissapointed about chandler's play/evolution, even if he clearly has an impact on the defensive end, and could become even better at that end with time.

    But i'll certainly keep giving him the benefit of the doubt until the end of next season. Just wanna see how he's going to come out of next summer...
     
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    I cannot see any improvement of Tyson Chandler in this season, although he received a new contract with top salary of our team before this season. The statistic of his average score and rebound per game is much more same as he did in last season, even a little decrease. His block shot and defense also cannot be seen by the games I've seen. We need the power and domination in the paint to support the Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon, appearently Tyson Chandler is not doing well. He should do much more to prove himself.

    PS: I am a new comer from China. This is my first time to post my reply. I'm glad to be a member of this forum of Bulls fans.
     
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    I cannot see any improvement of Tyson Chanderler in this season, although he received a new contract with top salary of our team. The statistic of his average score and rebound per game is much more same as he did in last season, even a little decrease. The block shot and his defense also cannot be seen by the game I've seen. We need the power and domination of in the paint to support the Kirk Henrich and Ben Gordon, appearently Tyson Chanderler is not doing well. He should do much more to prove his ability.

    PS: I am a new comer from China. This is my first time to post my reply. I'm glad to be a member of this forum of Bulls fans.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting nightsky:</div><div class="quote_post">
    He should do much more to prove himself.

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    Welcome to justbball, we're glad to have ya nightsky. It'll be great if you can keep visiting and joining in the discussions.

    On what you said about tyson doing more to prove himself. I think that was the problem he was having at the start of the season. The fact taht eddy left, and his contract extension. He felt like he had to do a lot more. Consequently he kept beating himself up for not achieving what he thought we wanted him to do. Then in turn doing the things he does best even worst like rebounding and blocking
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Sad thing is, Chandler was an offensive monster in HS. I'm not just talking dunks either. He could step out and pop 3's. Even looked pretty good doing it. When I saw him play during HS, I thought he was the next KG. Fluid, could do so much he was a 4 position kinda guy. I dont know WHAT THE HELL happened when he got to the NBA. However, if he became a Camby like 15 and 12 guy, it'd be above my expectations. If he goes 12-10-3(blocks) I'd be completely satisfied.</div>

    Exactly, Tyson Chandler was followed all over LA the same way LeBron James was followed around in Cleveland. I'm sure Tyson's games would have been on TV and there would be plenty of internet coverage on him if the media outlets were the same during his highschool seasons.

    Development is on the shoulder of the coaching staff along with the player's work ethic. When the Bulls drafted Chandler, they really didn't have anyone to mentor him and groom him into playing as a big man in the NBA. His offensive game is still "raw" and he's just getting by with his length and athleticism. The Bulls invested a lot in Chandler and I think they need bring in a personal coach to help refine his game.

    Tyson should try to get invovled with the summer workouts Kobe has. He would be able to practice and train an entire summer alongside KG and Amare, and now Bynum.
     

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