<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TDoug:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes. And I think that team has started to take root and will be a tough contender for the East Conference next year.</div> "Started to take root" applies that they are just starting to build toward excellence. I find it funny you say that when they are 2-8 in their last 10 games. I hardly call that "starting to take root". Minus a miracle the top two teams in the East next year will be Detroit and Miami. To even consider mentioning Philadelphia in that same breath is ridiculous. For the record I DONT think Allen Iverson deserves a ring. I am sorry but deserving a ring means nothing, earning it is everything. I could say J.J. Redick and Shelden Williams deserve rings for how they have played thier last four years at Duke while it is unfair that last year Marvin Williams got a ring in only his first year in college. But I am not..... Unless you earn a ring, you don't deserve one. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post"> You mean like Darko Milicic? </div> You could make the same case for every player that was not in the regular rotation for a championship team. Its almost like playing the "What if's..." since we could make a case for a few hundred players of the course of history. Here is the reality: he was on a team that won a championship thus he deserves a ring. I am also willing to bet his role in practice was of much more importance to Detroit then his game role was.
You definetly dont deserve one just bcoz u r good.. I would say all he needs to win a championship is a sidekick.. not webber..... Iverson does deserve a championship bcoz he has a passion for the game and gives 100%. just like kg.. these guys(kg and a.i.) both dont deserve one just bcoz they are good and never won one, but the should win a championship, and the only way they can win a championship is by getting traded... Allen iverson will never win a championship in phili, nor will garnett ever win one in minnesota... Every player thats good doesnt have a ring.. and just bcoz a player is good doesnt mean they have to have a ring. But Ai deserves 1.. phili's organization wants to build a team around him, and still they cant get a guy who can be a good sidekick.. The only way iverson can win 1 is by getting traded... And he does deserve 1..not just bcoz he's been in the league for 10 years and is good, but because he works hard at evry game and has a passion for the game... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chuck:</div><div class="quote_post">AI doesn't make the players around him better.</div> Igoudala??? <font color="blue">Please post using correct english and grammar when making posts on JustBBall. Words like "bcoz" and "evry" and not allowed under the JustBBall Guidelines and will not be tolerated. Thank you - Hunter</font>
Now Iverson is my second favorite player. and i think he do need a championship. he is on the top 50 greatest players and he is the second leading scorer in the NBA. he needs something. I think w/Iverson is his teammets they are not ready. Kyle Kover is getting better but he need to drive more, play better defence, give him screens for 3's
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting suggsboy2:</div><div class="quote_post">Now Iverson is my second favorite player. and i think he do need a championship. he is on the top 50 greatest players and he is the second leading scorer in the NBA. he needs something. I think w/Iverson is his teammets they are not ready. Kyle Kover is getting better but he need to drive more, play better defence, give him screens for 3's</div> With every great player, it is always the teammates that aren't ready. I could make the same case for Kobe in L.A. or KG in Minnesota. The greats are ready to compete at the championship level, the thing is, nobody these days can do it by themselves. Since when has Allen Iverson been listed as one of the Top 50 greatest players of all time? The only list I know of that came out was the one in 1996-1997.....
No Question. He's the Answer, of course he deserves a ring. Him and KG are the two most deserving players in the game right now without rings, and after them its my boy Steve Nash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody deserves to win a championship unless their team beats 4 other teams in the playoffs. Iverson isn't owed anything. He hasn't been surrounded by the best teams? Well, tough luck. Thats just how the league works.</div> I know this is a bit late, but thank you. Sheesh, what a silly question. >j<
Every player that doesnt win a championship deserves to win. If u are like one of the best players and u end ur career without one, that'll suck bcuz u deserve to win one if ur good.. Iverson and Kg both deserve 1 but they gotta earn it, but they do deserve one
desereving to me means that u need to have a ring before u retire.. bcoz u were a great player. and ending ur season without one will be sad..
But what would a championship mean if all great players got one? It'd just be an MVP award, minus the importance of the team's record. Saying a player deserves a championship downplays the importance of the team. Teams win championships, not players.
I agree with Chutney as well. It takes a team to win a championship, not the individual. I don't really believe that any one individual currently in the league deserves to win a championship. I think that if some of the big namers took a pay cut so that they could briing in the help that they require, they would have a better chance at winning. Instead of "me" many of the leagues players need to begin thinking of the "we".
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Spurs_fan_north:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with Chutney as well. It takes a team to win a championship, not the individual. I don't really believe that any one individual currently in the league deserves to win a championship. I think that if some of the big namers took a pay cut so that they could briing in the help that they require, they would have a better chance at winning. Instead of "me" many of the leagues players need to begin thinking of the "we".</div> Absolutely. KG, as much as we don't like to admit it, is his own problem. His salary dictates that his teammates aren't going to be high enough caliber, or if they are, it's a wing and a prayer that they're lucky enough to get the right rookie or cheap free-agent. This deserving stuff is just silly. >j<
Karl Malone deserved one more, but yes Allen Iverson needs one or his career isn't complete. Dan Marino still deserves the ring the most =D (yeah, so he's NFL, so what?)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Diesel:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd take LeBron and Wade over any of them.</div> I cant agree with you. A.I. is a true machine. I'd take A.I in 2001 over the current Wade or Lebron. As for him deserving a championship? Hell yeah. He just wont win it in Philly anymore. That 2001 finals against the Lakers was his shot in a Sixers uniform.
You have to be kidding me, trenchteam. LeBron and Wade are better than AI was in 2001. Just look at the stats : AI ; PPG : 31.4, APG : 5.5, RPG: 4.5, SPG: 2.8 LBJ ; PPG : 31.5, APG : 6.7, RPG: 7.3, SPG : 1.56 Wade ; PPG : 27.9, APG : 6.7, RPG: 5.8, SPG : 1.88 LeBron is clearly having a better season statwise than AI, the only thing which is lower is his steals per game. I know LeBron's defense isn't great but neither is AI's, he gets tons of steals, but is clearly undersized on D. As for Wade, I think he's having a bit of equal season as AI, but Wade's D is much better than Iverson's. Also, the real finals in 2001 was the WCF, the East was crappy. You only had 2 decent teams, which were the Sixers and the Bucks. Iverson is perhaps the most deserving player to win a championship, but it's like someone before mentioned, you don't deserve one, you earn one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phuzer:</div><div class="quote_post">You have to be kidding me, trenchteam. LeBron and Wade are better than AI was in 2001. Just look at the stats : AI ; PPG : 31.4, APG : 5.5, RPG: 4.5, SPG: 2.8 LBJ ; PPG : 31.5, APG : 6.7, RPG: 7.3, SPG : 1.56 Wade ; PPG : 27.9, APG : 6.7, RPG: 5.8, SPG : 1.88 LeBron is clearly having a better season statwise than AI, the only thing which is lower is his steals per game. I know LeBron's defense isn't great but neither is AI's, he gets tons of steals, but is clearly undersized on D. As for Wade, I think he's having a bit of equal season as AI, but Wade's D is much better than Iverson's. Also, the real finals in 2001 was the WCF, the East was crappy. You only had 2 decent teams, which were the Sixers and the Bucks. Iverson is perhaps the most deserving player to win a championship, but it's like someone before mentioned, you don't deserve one, you earn one.</div> and he led his to team to the finals by himself. And I dont think Wade or Lebron cant do that.
All by himself? When you have the DPOY and the 6th man of the year on your team, I do think you got a bit of help. Tyrone Hill, Eric Snow and George Lynch were also guys who could contribute so... I'm not saying Wade and LBJ have a better supporting cast than Iverson had, I even believe Wade has a better team, but he already came close to the finals, and if it weren't for those injuries he would've probably gotten to the finals. Another thing is, the competition in the 2000-2001 season in the East was VERY weak. So it was an accomplishment yes, but I highly doubt it that he could pull it off, if he played with that team today.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phuzer:</div><div class="quote_post">You have to be kidding me, trenchteam. LeBron and Wade are better than AI was in 2001. Just look at the stats : AI ; PPG : 31.4, APG : 5.5, RPG: 4.5, SPG: 2.8 LBJ ; PPG : 31.5, APG : 6.7, RPG: 7.3, SPG : 1.56 Wade ; PPG : 27.9, APG : 6.7, RPG: 5.8, SPG : 1.88 LeBron is clearly having a better season statwise than AI, the only thing which is lower is his steals per game. I know LeBron's defense isn't great but neither is AI's, he gets tons of steals, but is clearly undersized on D. As for Wade, I think he's having a bit of equal season as AI, but Wade's D is much better than Iverson's. Also, the real finals in 2001 was the WCF, the East was crappy. You only had 2 decent teams, which were the Sixers and the Bucks. Iverson is perhaps the most deserving player to win a championship, but it's like someone before mentioned, you don't deserve one, you earn one.</div> Im a Kobe fan first. Allan Iverson comes 2nd. He is a beast. Obviously LBJ would get more RPG's due to his postion he plays. Everything else is about even. I'd just go with Iverson before Wade or LBJ. Bottomline.
