Iverson: Does he deserve a Championship?

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  1. Diesel

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">I cant agree with you. A.I. is a true machine. I'd take A.I in 2001 over the current Wade or Lebron.

    As for him deserving a championship? Hell yeah. He just wont win it in Philly anymore. That 2001 finals against the Lakers was his shot in a Sixers uniform.</div>

    We're not talking about the 2001 AI, we're talking about the 2006 AI. This isn't 2001 anymore. I love Iverson, but this year Wade and LeBron are definetly better. Some of the stuff they do is incredible. Not only are they doing better individually, but their teams are better.

    Also if anyone thinks I'm hating on Iverson I'mn not. He's one of my favorite players consideriing he's the basketbball king locally.
     
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    Iverson will NEVER get close to winnin a ring. His style of play isn't consistent with winning. You can't take 85% of the teams shots and expect to win. It's that simple. The Sixers have catered to Iverson WAY too much, and that's why they're team can't get over that hump. Yes he plays hard, but he isn't efficient enough to win a ring.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Diesel:</div><div class="quote_post">We're not talking about the 2001 AI, we're talking about the 2006 AI. This isn't 2001 anymore. I love Iverson, but this year Wade and LeBron are definetly better. Some of the stuff they do is incredible. Not only are they doing better individually, but their teams are better.

    Also if anyone thinks I'm hating on Iverson I'mn not. He's one of my favorite players consideriing he's the basketbball king locally.</div>
    No one stated it had to be 2006. Obviously, with age and injuries Iverson is a step slower. It was to my understanding that their were 3 choices. Iverson, Wade, and LBJ. They didnt state the year they played. I made the remark that I'd take the 2001 Iverson over Wade or LBJ anyday of the week. Thats the bottomline.[​IMG]
     
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    i think he does but im not sure if he is gonna get to it for now
     
  5. hustler

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    Iverson does deserve a ring, but he never will get one as long as he's stuck in Philly.
     
  6. cliplove777

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    He had his chance against the Lakers. Thats enough for him.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kevin Garnett and Allen Iverson are 2 of the hardest workers</div>

    Maybe you missed Allen Iverons 5 minute press conference rant about how much he hates to practice.

    Don't let that reebok commercial fool you, this guy does not like to work out, condition or practice. He does what he does in the summer, and then plays out of his mind during the season, relying soley on his talent.

    Imagine how good he'd be if he practiced like Kobe or MJ- or even KG for that matter.
     
  8. Midnight Green

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe you missed Allen Iverons 5 minute press conference rant about how much he hates to practice.

    Don't let that reebok commercial fool you, this guy does not like to work out, condition or practice. He does what he does in the summer, and then plays out of his mind during the season, relying soley on his talent.

    Imagine how good he'd be if he practiced like Kobe or MJ- or even KG for that matter.</div>
    Thanks a lot for your insight. How many times a week do you see AI practice, and how often do you speak with him? I’m sorry, but you seem so well informed about his practice educate, and how he is a slouch who does not work that you must know him really well. Am I right?

    Sarcasm aside though that has to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard truth is none of us know these athletes on a personal enough bases to make a well informed stance on how hard they practice, and no a five minute rant from a twenty something year old Iverson does not mean he is not a hard worker. Everyone has there bad moments where they just blow up, and say things they don’t mean. Unfortunately, being under the media spotlight basically 24/7 magnifies these events when they happen to athletes.

    I love how you completely discredit the fact that AI put on several pounds of muscle after the 2003-04 season in which he only played 48 games, and came back the next season averaging at the time his best numbers post 2001. You don’t know the guy personally, and neither do I, but don’t discredit a guy for one bad moment where he blew up in front of media, and completely forget about everything else he has done to improve his game during the course of a decade.

    If you watch one 76ers game that should be all the prove you need that he is a hard worker. No one with “bad work ethic” or “no heart” could go out and do what he does on a nightly bases. I don’t care how much “talent” they have. If it was like that and AI was getting by merely on talent then guys like Swift and Darius Miles should be all stars because of their “talent”. You don't win an MVP, several scoring titles, and two All Star MVP awards without work ethic.
     
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    yea he does, and so does KG, tmac and gil arenas, oh yea d-wade, lebron, melo deserves a ring too, everybody deserves a ring
     
  10. Coville

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    No. You deserve championships by winning and making your teammates better.

    He has a good squad, he should have led them to the playoffs. Dalemburt, Webber, Igoudala, Korver. Very good peices and he should make the playoffs at least consdiering they play in the weakest conference in the league.

    I find it pathetic that team isn't making the playoffs to be honest, anyone who feels sorry for Iverson needs to have there head examined...
     
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    Iverson wont win one in Philadelphia. He does deserve one after the hard work hes put into so many seasons, but championships arent handed out, theyre earned. Iversons put in the time, just never had the personal to take him that one step further. He needs out of Phili, same with KG if they want a championship. But hey no one saw the Clippers making finals, and now theyve got a higher seed then the Lakers, so anything could happen!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody deserves to win a championship unless their team beats 4 other teams in the playoffs. Iverson isn't owed anything. He hasn't been surrounded by the best teams? Well, tough luck. Thats just how the league works.</div>

    I don't see how you can say that... Iverson is one of the best players in the league (in my opinion the best) He has worked his butt off for the sixers organization and they have not repayed him one bit. They won't even surround him with a good team. Yeah they went out and got Webber and Andre. But Webber is getting to old and can't really contribute to the team. What you said is like saying that Karl Malone never deserved to win a championship and he is the most deserving player ever to deserve to win a championship. If Phily won't surround Iverson with players that he needs then Iverson needs to get out of Phily and go some where else. Oh and yes he will win a championship and I hope that it is when he is a Sixer.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe you missed Allen Iverons 5 minute press conference rant about how much he hates to practice.

    Don't let that reebok commercial fool you, this guy does not like to work out, condition or practice. He does what he does in the summer, and then plays out of his mind during the season, relying soley on his talent.

    Imagine how good he'd be if he practiced like Kobe or MJ- or even KG for that matter.</div>

    If he didn't work out at all or practice he wouldn't beable to make it throught the season. I dont' care how much talent you have. He is a hard worker and deserves a ring
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks a lot for your insight. How many times a week do you see AI practice, and how often do you speak with him? I?m sorry, but you seem so well informed about his practice educate, and how he is a slouch who does not work that you must know him really well. Am I right?

    Sarcasm aside though that has to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard truth is none of us know these athletes on a personal enough bases to make a well informed stance on how hard they practice, and no a five minute rant from a twenty something year old Iverson does not mean he is not a hard worker. Everyone has there bad moments where they just blow up, and say things they don?t mean. Unfortunately, being under the media spotlight basically 24/7 magnifies these events when they happen to athletes.

    I love how you completely discredit the fact that AI put on several pounds of muscle after the 2003-04 season in which he only played 48 games, and came back the next season averaging at the time his best numbers post 2001. You don?t know the guy personally, and neither do I, but don?t discredit a guy for one bad moment where he blew up in front of media, and completely forget about everything else he has done to improve his game during the course of a decade.

    If you watch one 76ers game that should be all the prove you need that he is a hard worker. No one with ?bad work ethic? or ?no heart? could go out and do what he does on a nightly bases. I don?t care how much ?talent? they have. If it was like that and AI was getting by merely on talent then guys like Swift and Darius Miles should be all stars because of their ?talent?. You don't win an MVP, several scoring titles, and two All Star MVP awards without work ethic.</div>

    Owned. To even suggest Iverson doesn't work hard is absolutely foolish.
     
  16. Yournewchef

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    Yeah I'll have to agree with some of the posters, you don't deserve it you earn it.
     
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    Iverson will definitely get one before he retires "NEXT YEAR"
     
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    Well sure i suppose he "deserves" one. But how many players deserve a ring? If he does, countless others do. It's just the sorry fact that he most likely won't get one.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shor_T15:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see how you can say that... Iverson is one of the best players in the league (in my opinion the best) He has worked his butt off for the sixers organization and they have not repayed him one bit. They won't even surround him with a good team. Yeah they went out and got Webber and Andre. But Webber is getting to old and can't really contribute to the team. What you said is like saying that Karl Malone never deserved to win a championship and he is the most deserving player ever to deserve to win a championship. If Phily won't surround Iverson with players that he needs then Iverson needs to get out of Phily and go some where else. Oh and yes he will win a championship and I hope that it is when he is a Sixer.</div>
    Iverson fans will continue to make excuses for his selfish play. The Sixers should be in the playoffs, just like the Lakers are.
     
  20. Chutney

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shor_T15:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see how you can say that... Iverson is one of the best players in the league (in my opinion the best) He has worked his butt off for the sixers organization and they have not repayed him one bit. They won't even surround him with a good team. Yeah they went out and got Webber and Andre. But Webber is getting to old and can't really contribute to the team. What you said is like saying that Karl Malone never deserved to win a championship and he is the most deserving player ever to deserve to win a championship. If Phily won't surround Iverson with players that he needs then Iverson needs to get out of Phily and go some where else. Oh and yes he will win a championship and I hope that it is when he is a Sixer.</div>
    Well if Iverson wants to take control of his chances of winning a title, he should join a solo sport like tennis, golf, or boxing. Playing with teammates is a fact of basketball. It's not Iverson's fault that he's had crappy teams over the years, but he has to deal it, either way. Do I think its fair? No, it isn't. But it just emphasizes the fact that teams win championships, not individual players. And Karl Malone didn't deserve a title.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shor_T15:</div><div class="quote_post">What you said is like saying that Karl Malone never deserved to win a championship and he is the most deserving player ever to deserve to win a championship.</div>
    Funniest sentence ever. [​IMG]
     

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