This season - Wade. I don't like AI at all, too. It's so hard to build a team around him. But overally - still Iverson.
About who will be better, while it can't be accurately measured, to think Wade can't surpass Iverson is absurd. It's also not accurate to say he will pass Iverson, though it's far from being out of question. Wade right now is as good as 24 year old Iverson was, arguably better. 24 year old Iverson was nice though, while the East was weaker, he carried Philly to a 49-33 record. Wade like 24 year old Iverson had improved his numbers every year of his career, and Wade has obviously been much more efficienct as a scorer. Who's to say Wade can't continue to improve, his range can still get better, his defense, his decision making too, still many areas for him to improve on, and we don't know how those will progress.
Still Iverson to me. Wade has really shown so many new demensions to his game since this thread was made. However, I would pick AI for the time being. As he gets older, and Wade gets better then Wade. I love Wade's game, but you can't bet against AI people tend to forget all the things AI has accomplished in the past, and continues to accomplish. I kind of hope he goes to Minnesota next season, and gets a chance to compete for a title along side another superstar so we can see him go deep in the playoffs again, and the world can be re-introduced to Allen Iverson.
Wade makes his teamates better...AI doesn't. Sure Iverson is the fearless warrior and all, but Wade falls just as much as he does. Wade for sure.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">but Wade falls just as much as he does.</div> I love this. But idk it is hard. AI is so good for being so small. Ai can score at will. And wade making his teammates better, like who? AI averages 8 assists by passing to iggy, webber, and korver. Wade averages 6 pasiing to shaq, walker, haslem, and j will. I personally love wades game. But AI is unbeleivable. Prolly will end up being one of the most underrated in history. 30 ppg career average. only two others have that.
Wade is the primary ball handler, so is AI. And how many pg's average 8 assist per game. NOt many, but plenty that average less are considered more of "team" players than AI.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Touch call, this year, it probably Wade. But the overall, it's AI. Wade havne't accomplish anything to be compare with the already <u>accomplish players like AI, Kobe, Tmac, VC. </div> None of those guys really accomplished</u> anything. They lead the league in scoring playing with <u>--</u> absolutely nobody>>> and couldn't win while they did it. Won championships playing with the absolute best teammate coach situation available--- in a situation you could argue about 15-20 other players in the past few years would have done the same .. Took their team to the finals ONCE, when the East was at its absolute weakest point in years. Shot under 44% most of their careers to have a collective career PPG somewhere close to 24 pts. Have all been around the leaders in To/g yet its rare that they ever have a Stl to To ratio better than 0.4 .... All four players collectively have about 9 All NBA 1st team awards eventhough together they were considered to be the top guards in the league throughout the better part of their time shared.
Wade is an awesome offensive one-on-one player. So is Iverson. The difference is Iverson is a bit of a BALL-HOG lets face it. Wade will pass to guys like Jason Williams, Antoine Walker or James Posey much more than Iverson will. I also get the vibe that Iverson cares a lot about winning things like scoring titles and MVPs. I don't think that Wade really cares where is he is in PPG in the league, if he's first or 20th...
Wade.......it's no contest imo............A.I. is a scorer, but he wouldn't be in my top 10 or maybe even 12 guys to build my team around I'll take (not in any particular order) 1. Lebron 2. Kobe 3. Duncan 4. Wade 5. Nash 6. Dirk 7. Garnett 8. Tmac 9. Yao 10. Brand 11. Amarie 12. Shaq and maybe even a couple others before I choose A.I......great player, just not a guy I want to build a team around.
^^ sorry but i disagree, ai is such an amazing talent that he is up there with every one of those players. and amare! he can dunk fro mthe pf position oooooooooooo. he hasnt proven a thing besides being able to catch a pass from nash (which nobody has trouble doing) and dunking it all while averaging less boards than a sf playing pf. i understand the build a team around, but if you give ai just one all star and you have a championship. btw, who the heck was on his team when they went the first time. eric snow, george lynch, aaron mckie, ???? really top notch. those guys wouldnt even play for charlotte right now (age being no consideration)
I'm not saying A.I. isn't great, but he wouldn't be one of my first choices in franchise players......and yes he took that team to the Finals, but they had Deke also and the east was relatively weak that year. And Amarie can do more than just dunk the ball after recieving a pass from Nash, he basically outplayed Duncan in last years conference Finals.
AI is still m second choice behind kg to build around because he is low maintanence imo. he will get his numbers and shots while getting his assists and steals. all you need to do is give him some vets that play d and dont turn the ball over with a solid post presence. Deke wasnt even that on O. i mean come on look at this http://www.nba.com/games/20010606/PHILAL/boxscore.html LOOK AT THE SHOTS TAKEN AND POINTS!!! it was all AI for the whole series. who on that team besides deke even deservers to be playing on an nba team in the finals, none besides snow and mcKie as bench players, but no, they were the focus of attention. you put anyone else on that team instead of AI and you are gunning for the number one pick every year. McKie played 51 f***ing minutes, he should never deserve that. but he was the best they had.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">you put anyone else on that team instead of AI and you are gunning for the number one pick every year. </div> I disagree.....like I said earlier the east was weak that year, that's one of the reasons the sixers went to the finals....ever since then (as the east got stronger) the sixers have faded to the back.....and to be honest AI had a decent enough team around him this year to make it to the playoffs imo.
^^no way!!! did you look at the team. tyrone hill, deke, aaron mckie, eric snow, jumaine jones, raja bell (when he totally sucked), and matt geiger. are you serious that this team could make it with kobe instead of ai. kobe can barely take odom, mihm, smush (played over mckie), kwame (better than any one else on that team in the post besides deke). KG had even better than that this year and didnt even make the play offs. pg aaron mckie sg eric snow sf lebron james pf tyrone hill c dikembe mutombo you are telling me lebron would take this team to the finals. lebron couldnt get ilgauskus, boozer, snow, and i cant remeber the other guy to the playoffs. you really think he could take that team above.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^no way!!! did you look at the team. tyrone hill, deke, aaron mckie, eric snow, jumaine jones, raja bell (when he totally sucked), and matt geiger. are you serious that this team could make it with kobe instead of ai. kobe can barely take odom, mihm, smush (played over mckie), kwame (better than any one else on that team in the post besides deke). KG had even better than that this year and didnt even make the play offs. pg aaron mckie sg eric snow sf lebron james pf tyrone hill c dikembe mutombo you are telling me lebron would take this team to the finals. lebron couldnt get ilgauskus, boozer, snow, and i cant remeber the other guy to the playoffs. you really think he could take that team above.</div> The East is much better now, they had arguably the favorite to win the Finals this year in their conference(Pistons). Now Shaq is in the East, you can't really compare now to then.
^^^exactly.....the fact that AI could come out of the east with a team like that tells you how weak the east was then.
