From laughting stock to contender...see how...

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phiLA:</div><div class="quote_post">dont forget about his huge contract as well</div>

I thought I covered that with the 'stupidly overpaid' line.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">The Ray Allen trade wouldn't go down for a number of reasons.

Firstly, Eddy Curry is rubbish. He doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense and he is lazy and stupidly overpaid. I would take Robert Swift or Johan Petro over him individually, and when we have both, not to mention Collison and probably Wilcox, taking on Curry's deal makes no sense at all.

Jamal Crawford isn't fit to lick Ray's boots. Ray Allen is a consistent superstar, Crawford is a streaky shooter who just happens to come from Seattle. He is also stupidly overpaid - I'm noticing a trend here. You don't trade Ray Allen away unless you're getting a top three pick or a legitimate superstar back.

Earl Watson gives us exactly what we need at the point: a level headed leader who plays defense. Apart from the hometown connections, what exactly would he bring us? A shoot first 5'6 guard who is hardly going to be able to bring the D and composure that Earl brings and that we need behind Luke, that's what.

You're not as deluded about New York on the court anymore it seems (remember how Jerome James was a changed man? He said it himself!), but you're still an idiot.</div>
First of all, I didn?t make these trade scenarios. I said out of all the ones mentioned, this probably has the best chance of actually happening because of the hometown players and the young talent. As for the Jerome James thing, I remember saying it was a risky move but I?ll only call it bad when I see him play in a Knick uniform. Nice try though.

Btw, I thought you finally hopped off my jock already. I guess I?m just too sexy for you, huh?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, I didn’t make these trade scenarios. I said out of all the ones mentioned, this probably has the best chance of actually happening because of the hometown players and the young talent.</div>

You also said you wouldn't do it because you'd want to keep your young players. That is ludicrous, as anyone would absolutely jump at that deal if they were the Knicks.

Secondly, if best chance of happening means absolutely no chance in hell of happening, then you're right. It doesn't benefit the Sonics in any way, and it makes us a worse team both in the present and in the future.

If we want hometown players, we should trade the kitchen sink to get a couple of top seven picks for Morrison and Roy, and then sign Jason Terry as a FA. It means SFA, even if we are struggling with attendances.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">You also said you wouldn't do it because you'd want to keep your young players. That is ludicrous, as anyone would absolutely jump at that deal if they were the Knicks.</div>
Well, we lose Curry and have no one to man center but Jeomre James and Jackie Butler. We also lose Crawford who has been playing well under Brown and a promising rookie in Nate Robinson. I don't know about you, but I'd rather keep these young players then trade for a declining Ray Allen who demands the ball just as much as these "selfish players" in New York.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Secondly, if best chance of happening means absolutely no chance in hell of happening, then you're right. It doesn't benefit the Sonics in any way, and it makes us a worse team both in the present and in the future.</div>
Again, I didn't make the trade scenario.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If we want hometown players, we should trade the kitchen sink to get a couple of top seven picks for Morrison and Roy, and then sign Jason Terry as a FA. It means SFA, even if we are struggling with attendances.</div>
Again, I didn't make the trade scenario.

 

I know you didn't make the trade scenario, but you responded to it in a way that seemed to imply it favoured Seattle, which is what I called you out on. It is a horrible trade for the Supes.

Butler > Curry, anyway.

 

If you wouldnt trade Curry, Crawford and Nate for Ray Allen you probably shouldnt apply for any GM positions any time soon. Not only is Ray 10x better than any of the players the Knicks would be sending over, but New York would be getting rid of 2 bad contracts players. Personally Curry and Crawford for expiring contracts would be GODLY....i think those 2 for a franchise player's abit lobsided

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">I know you didn't make the trade scenario, but you responded to it in a way that seemed to imply it favoured Seattle, which is what I called you out on. It is a horrible trade for the Supes.</div>
I don't like it for the Sonics nor do I like it for the Knicks.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Butler > Curry, anyway.</div>
I like Butler too, but he's way too foul prone and isn't reliant enough to be a fulltime starter.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">If you wouldnt trade Curry, Crawford and Nate for Ray Allen you probably shouldnt apply for any GM positions any time soon. Not only is Ray 10x better than any of the players the Knicks would be sending over, but New York would be getting rid of 2 bad contracts players. Personally Curry and Crawford for expiring contracts would be GODLY....i think those 2 for a franchise player's abit lobsided</div>
You claim the Knicks are full of selfish, me-first players, so what does it do adding another selfish, me-first player? Only adds more problems to an already shaky chemistry, creating an even bigger mess, right? Allen is getting 80 million and is turning 31 soon. That doesn't quite fit the rebuilding mode that you said we should go in. In addition, Crawford has played very well and I don't want to get rid of Curry after giving up so much for him in just one season. Nate Robinson has been promising and is a Knick you can count on for giving 100% effort every night. Excuse me for not wanting to go in the youth direction.

 

The difference between Ray Allen and the Knicks' 'selfish, me-first' players is that Ray is worthy of getting the ball as much as he does. He's proven over a number of seasons that he is capable of carrying a team offensively and can really bury teams, so I don't see why he should get the same label as guys like Crawford and Marbury, who aren't in his class.

Ray demands the ball because he's earnt the right to be able to.

 

+ I don't think Larry Bird would take a guy like Jerome James and Sarunas Jasikevicus is too big of an asset to the Pacers organization, especially when you regard the fact that he's only a rookie.

+ The Cavs don't need Marbury and if anything, they'll look to draft or acquire a real PG. Also, Ilgauskas' future is uncertain after this season. I thought he was returning home or something. I just don't see the Cavs making this deal, simply because Marbury has a bad rep.

+ I think the Seattle trade is absolutely ridiculous (I don't mean to sound mean). I think Ray and Earl are worth a lot more than that and you're asking for their 1st round pick also? Wow. I'm not sure "Slam Dunk Champion" makes someone a good candidate for a trade, especially when everyone knows Iguodala was robbed

+ Jalen Rose and David Lee? I wouldn't trade Lee for anything. And Jalen for Wally? A big contract after another? I don't think that would be a very good move for both clubs.

+ I think a Maurice Taylor/Carlos Boozer is more realistic.

+ The Blazers are looking to rebuild their team and somewhere along those lines, I don't think they would want to involve a player witha rep as a cancer.

Dude, you must've been lying sleepless last night thinking about this and I think any Knick fan appreciates you taking this time to write a bible and all. But dude, sorry...these moves just aren't realistic at all.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">The Ray Allen trade wouldn't go down for a number of reasons.

Firstly, Eddy Curry is rubbish. He doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense and he is lazy and stupidly overpaid. I would take Robert Swift or Johan Petro over him individually, and when we have both, not to mention Collison and probably Wilcox, taking on Curry's deal makes no sense at all.

Jamal Crawford isn't fit to lick Ray's boots. Ray Allen is a consistent superstar, Crawford is a streaky shooter who just happens to come from Seattle. He is also stupidly overpaid - I'm noticing a trend here. You don't trade Ray Allen away unless you're getting a top three pick or a legitimate superstar back.

Earl Watson gives us exactly what we need at the point: a level headed leader who plays defense. Apart from the hometown connections, what exactly would he bring us? A shoot first 5'6 guard who is hardly going to be able to bring the D and composure that Earl brings and that we need behind Luke, that's what.

You're not as deluded about New York on the court anymore it seems (remember how Jerome James was a changed man? He said it himself!), but you're still an idiot.</div>


I saw Swift play, he's a scrub to the max. Petro is good.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">The Ray Allen trade wouldn't go down for a number of reasons.

Firstly, Eddy Curry is rubbish. He doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense and he is lazy and stupidly overpaid. I would take Robert Swift or Johan Petro over him individually, and when we have both, not to mention Collison and probably Wilcox, taking on Curry's deal makes no sense at all.

Jamal Crawford isn't fit to lick Ray's boots. Ray Allen is a consistent superstar, Crawford is a streaky shooter who just happens to come from Seattle. He is also stupidly overpaid - I'm noticing a trend here. You don't trade Ray Allen away unless you're getting a top three pick or a legitimate superstar back.

Earl Watson gives us exactly what we need at the point: a level headed leader who plays defense. Apart from the hometown connections, what exactly would he bring us? A shoot first 5'6 guard who is hardly going to be able to bring the D and composure that Earl brings and that we need behind Luke, that's what.

You're not as deluded about New York on the court anymore it seems (remember how Jerome James was a changed man? He said it himself!), but you're still an idiot.</div>


I saw Swift play, he's a scrub to the max. Petro is good.

Your self esteem has to be pretty low if you want to take shots at the Knicks player, feeling as if Knicks are on a superior level to your team.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">I saw Swift play, he's a scrub to the max.</div>

Interesting.

How many times exactly have you seen him play this season?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">First off I'd like to say Isiah Thomas should be fired, tarred and feathered, hung and then quartered for this unbearable season. Words cannot describe exactly how much I hate Isiah Thomas. Hate is a pretty strong word I know but unfortunately it's not strong enough. Somehow he's taken us from the dark ages of Scott Layden and into the seventh ring of Hell in only a couple of seasons. He has turned the Knicks from just another bad team into the worst team in franchise history. The Knicks are a big, fat, expensive joke. With that being said I think I may have just figured out how to turn them from joke into serious contender. I came up with this yesterday. I was bored and since the Knicks dont have a draft pick I decided to think about semi realistic trade scenarios to fix them and I came up with a way to turn them into a legitimate contender. If anyone disagrees with anything just say so and why, no need to insult me. I didnt think too indepth about this so I could be very wrong about a few of these scenarios. But anyway here they are:

Jerome James for Sarunas Jasikevicus: Jerome James makes more money than Sarunas and has a longer contract but he doesnt make a whole lot more money and his contract runs on only one year longer than Sarunas'. The Pacers do this deal because they dont really need Sarunas. He's a third string point guard to them because of his poor defense. However Larry Brown will love his attitude and his ability to run a team. Jerome James gives the Pacers someone to replace Pollard, some sort of insurance in case Jermaine Oneal gets injured again and another big body throw at Shaq. Looks like a fair trade for both teams.

Stephon Marbury for Zydrunas Ilgauskas: Not sure if the Cavaliers would do this one. Their searching for a better point guard than Eric Snow. Marbury for all of his faults is a much better point guard than Snow. Big Z has a history of injury problems and isnt getting any younger so the Cavaliers may be willing to trade him for Marbury. The Knicks will be able to get rid of Marbury and bring in a more consistent low post scorer, rebounder and intimidator. Damon Jones can be thrown in as a filler to make the deal work.

Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford and Nate Robinson for Ray Allen and Earl Watson (and first round pick?): With Big Z on board there wont be a need for Eddy Curry so we'd be able to shop him around for a shooting guard. This trade is probably less likely the Big Z deal but still possible I think. Ray Allen is getting up there in age and the Supersonics dont appear to be anywhere near contending again. I also hear their having problems selling tickets. So it makes sense for them to start rebuilding. And what better way to rebuild and sell tickets at the same than to bring in a young talented center dripping with potential along with two hometown heroes? The Supersonics exchange the older Ray Allen for the much younger hometown favorite Jamal Crawford. They also get Seattle's own Nate Robinson, the slam dunk champion to help boost attendance and a young center with loads of potential to go along Chris Wilcox. Earl Watson is thrown into the deal because of his contract and to make room for Ridnour and Robinson. With this trade the Supersonics will be able to start an all out youth movement. I dont think I have to explain why the Knicks would do this trade.

Jalen Rose and David Lee for Wally Szczerbiak and Brian Scalabrine: The Celtics get to dump salary and add another player to their youth core. The Knicks get a premier shooter.(Another possibility is Rose and Lee to the Magic for Grant Hill)

Maurice Taylor for Kenyon Martin: Kenyon Martin is probably the most overpaid player in the league for what he brings to the table. That alone should be enough for the Nuggets to do this trade. Kenyon Martin even though he makes way too much money and I mean way too much money would give the Knicks toughness and do the dirty work like play defense, rebound the ball and get garbage points.

Steve Francis for Theo Ratliff, Brian Skinner and 2007 pick: May give the Trailblazers a chance to get into the playoffs which would help them convince Joel Pryzbilla to stay. Gives the Knicks a shot blocker off the bench in Ratliff and insurance on Kenyon Martin in Brian Skinner.

Use the MLE to sign Matt Harpring: Harpring is very underrated. He is a Larry Brown type player. We'd be able to bring him off the bench to provide scoring, rebounding, defense and toughness.

Seattle pick: Tiago Splitter(leave in Europe)
Trade Frye to Atlanta for 2006 pick: Draft Bargnani(leave in Europe)
Trade Richardson to New Orleans for their 2006 pick: Corey Brewer
Trade our 2007 pick to Chicago for the 2006 pick: Draft Ronnie Brewer
Denver pick: Sergio Rodriguez(make him a promise leave in Europe)

When the season begins the Knicks line up should look like this:

PG- Sarunas Jasikevicus, Earl Watson, Damon Jones
SG- Ray Allen, Ronnie Brewer
SF- Wally World, Matt Harpring, Corey Brewer
PF- K-Mart, Brian Skinner, Malik Rose
C- Big Z, Theo Ratliff

A pretty good team it looks like. It looks capable of decent defense. The players should mesh well with Big Z scoring and drawing double teams in the low post, Allen and Wally knocking down open jumpers, K Mart doing the dirty work and Sarunas just ochestrating. The bench looks pretty nice. No egos work out. And the players will listen to Larry Brown. This team should be able to compete against anybody. So what do you guys think?


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired and Tribute to H2O hired.</div>

This isn't NBA Live.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">The difference between Ray Allen and the Knicks' 'selfish, me-first' players is that Ray is worthy of getting the ball as much as he does. He's proven over a number of seasons that he is capable of carrying a team offensively and can really bury teams, so I don't see why he should get the same label as guys like Crawford and Marbury, who aren't in his class.

Ray demands the ball because he's earnt the right to be able to.</div>
I'm sure Marbury and Francis don't feel that way. Whether or not he's earnt his right to hog the ball, the fact of the matter is Francis, Marbury, and Allen all want their fair share of shots and adding Allen want help matters now will it? Besides, in a couple of years when Ray is well into his 30's, Robinson, Curry, and Crawford are all capable of having a greater impact then just one Ray Allen.

 

Okay I listened to all of the opinions and critiques I got. Some were more helpful than others but nevertheless I used all of them and rethought pretty much everything. Again I could be way off on some things, I am afterall a Knicks fan and cant help but be at least a little biased. But I did my best to be objective. Again please no insulting just state where you think I messed up and why. Here it goes:

Stephon Marbury and Channing Frye for Zydrunas Ilgauskas: Since noone thinks that Marbury alone will be enough to get the aging center I decided to throw in the promising rookie in to sweeten the deal. Marbury again gives the Cavaliers the type of point guard they want(legitimate scoring threat, creates shots for others). Channing Frye obviously isnt as good as Big Z but he knows how to play off of his perimeter players and he's only 22. He'll guarantee that Lebron James has a good big man for a long time.

Steve Francis for Lamar Odom: I just heard a rumor a while back about this kind of trade. Not sure if the Lakers would go for it now. Maybe someone a bit more familiar with the Lakers situation will tell me if this could go down.

Jalen Rose and David Lee for Wally Scherbiak: This seemed to be the only deal that nearly everyone agreed was likely. Celtics lose Wally's big contract and get another young player to add to their youth movement. Knicks get a legitimate shooter.

Eddy Curry and Nate Robinson for Sarunas Jasikevicius and Jeff Foster: The Pacers are looking to shake up the roster this summer and may try to get younger. Curry is only 23 and gives the Pacers another offensive threat in the low post. I know someone is going to say they already have Jermaine O'neal but he is injury prone and besides teams that usually have two good low post big men are very successful. It looks like Sarunas has fallen out of the rotation so the Pacers may be willing to move him. Robinson has been playing well as of late so the Pacers may have more of a use for him than Sarunas.

Maurice Taylor and Quentin Richardson for Kenyon Martin and Ruben Patterson: I dont care what anybody says, the Nuggets would have to be crazy not to exchange K-Mart for Mo Taylor. He's one of the most overpaid players in the league. He's been injury prone so far in Denver. He's redundant since Reggie Evans, Francisco Elson, Eduardo Najera, Nene and Linas Klieza are the same mold of player as him(hardnosed, defensive minded)are nearly as effective(Nene maybe even more so!)and cost a fraction as much! In fact Mo Taylor is probably a better fit for the Nuggets anyway since he is a legitimate low post threat, which is a serious need of the Nuggets, and none of the Nuggets big men are low post scorers. When the Nuggets cant get out into transition they seriously struggle to score points. Mo Taylor can come off the bench and at least provide some scoring when the Nuggets running game stalls. So Mo Taylor is probably a better fit anyway. And to top it all off the Nuggets are 18-5 when he doesnt play! There is no good reason for them not to trade K-Mart. Not sure why but I get the feeling that the Nuggets would rather have Richardson than Patterson so I threw them into the deal as well.

Knicks can also sign Matt Harpring in the off season.

So after all of these moves the Knicks will have a line up of:

PG- Sarunas Jasikevicius, Eric Snow
SG- Jamal Crawford, Ruben Patterson
SF- Wally World, Matt Harpring
PF- Lamar Odom, K-Mart
C- Big Z, Jeff Foster

Probably not a championship team talentwise but with Larry Brown at the helm it could be dangerous. It has low post scoring, perimeter shooting, good player makers, good rebounders and should be capable of at least decent defense. So what do you guys think? Is my allegiance to the Knicks still clouding my judgement? And if these moves are possible could this team be a legitimate threat to the Pistons, Heat and Nets?


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">
Stephon Marbury and Channing Frye for Zydrunas Ilgauskas: Since noone thinks that Marbury alone will be enough to get the aging center I decided to throw in the promising rookie in to sweeten the deal. Marbury again gives the Cavaliers the type of point guard they want(legitimate scoring threat, creates shots for others). Channing Frye obviously isnt as good as Big Z but he knows how to play off of his perimeter players and he's only 22. He'll guarantee that Lebron James has a good big man for a long time.</div>

so youd give up a young and promising center for an old aging zydrunas ilgauskas? if isiah thomas made that deal, then this whole knicks board will go crazy saying how he should be fired and killed and ect.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Steve Francis for Lamar Odom: I just heard a rumor a while back about this kind of trade. Not sure if the Lakers would go for it now. Maybe someone a bit more familiar with the Lakers situation will tell me if this could go down.</div>

the lakers would not go for that trade. i am a big laker fan and i know that there is no way odom will get traded anytime soon unless its for KG. heck, the lakers even passed up a deal that would send artest over for odom. odom is what makes the triangle run, and over the season, he has looked more and more comfortable in his situation. steve francis and kobe bryant would never work. both need the ball and i bet there will be arguements and such. also, francis isnt a good fit for the triangle

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Maurice Taylor and Quentin Richardson for Kenyon Martin and Ruben Patterson: I dont care what anybody says, the Nuggets would have to be crazy not to exchange K-Mart for Mo Taylor. <font color=""Red"">He's one of the most overpaid players in the league. He's been injury prone so far in Denver.</font> He's redundant since Reggie Evans, Francisco Elson, Eduardo Najera, Nene and Linas Klieza are the same mold of player as him(hardnosed, defensive minded)are nearly as effective(Nene maybe even more so!)and cost a fraction as much! In fact Mo Taylor is probably a better fit for the Nuggets anyway since he is a legitimate low post threat, which is a serious need of the Nuggets, and none of the Nuggets big men are low post scorers. When the Nuggets cant get out into transition they seriously struggle to score points. Mo Taylor can come off the bench and at least provide some scoring when the Nuggets running game stalls. So Mo Taylor is probably a better fit anyway. And to top it all off the Nuggets are 18-5 when he doesnt play! There is no good reason for them not to trade K-Mart. Not sure why but I get the feeling that the Nuggets would rather have Richardson than Patterson so I threw them into the deal as well.</div>

isnt richardson overpaid and injury prone too? also, patterson is a good defensive player, and i dont see the nuggets giving him up for richardson

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phiLA:</div><div class="quote_post">so youd give up a young and promising center for an old aging zydrunas ilgauskas? if isiah thomas made that deal, then this whole knicks board will go crazy saying how he should be fired and killed and ect.</div>

Yes I most certainly would. Most of this board thought we'd be in the playoff hunt around this time. I dont really care what they think. So you think the Cavaliers will take that trade?

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phiLA:</div><div class="quote_post">the lakers would not go for that trade. i am a big laker fan and i know that there is no way odom will get traded anytime soon unless its for KG. heck, the lakers even passed up a deal that would send artest over for odom. odom is what makes the triangle run, and over the season, he has looked more and more comfortable in his situation. steve francis and kobe bryant would never work. both need the ball and i bet there will be arguements and such. also, francis isnt a good fit for the triangle</div>

You're the Lakers fan so I'll take your word for it. But it certainly does make sense. Odom so far with the Lakers has been too passive and they need someone else to step up besides Kobe. As for not trading Odom for Ron Artest I think that has more to do with the fact that Artest is a psychopath than anything else. I'll rethink it.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phiLA:</div><div class="quote_post">isnt richardson overpaid and injury prone too? also, patterson is a good defensive player, and i dont see the nuggets giving him up for richardson
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But at least Richardson fits a need unlike Kenyon Martin who as I said before is redundant. Can you give me a good reason why the Nuggets wouldnt trade K-Mart for Mo Taylor or do you finally agree that Kenyon Martin for Taylor is a more than generous offer. Richardson has also proven to be a good defender this season and is a better shooter than Ruben Patterson and the Nuggets need better perimeter shooting as well as a low post scorer. Richardson also proved to be extremely effective in a high uptempo system which is what the Nuggets are currently using. Ruben Patterson and Quentin Richardson is a fair exchange especially when you consider the huge contract the Knicks would be taking back.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes I most certainly would. Most of this board thought we'd be in the playoff hunt around this time. I dont really care what they think. So you think the Cavaliers will take that trade?</div>

whoa, whoa, whoa. hold up a sec. most of this board thought the new york knicks would be in the playoff hunt? are you serious? i thought the knicks should be better than they are right now, but in the playoff hunt?

anyways, as for the trade, the cavs would jump on that trade hands down. marbury is a good point guard, and although there would be problems between lebron, hughes, and marbury, they would be getting channing frye, who like i said, had a terrific rookie season and can only get better. the knicks would definetly get the lower end of the trade. i still dont get it, i think a package of marbury and frye together should equal more than just illgauskas!

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You're the Lakers fan so I'll take your word for it. But it certainly does make sense. <font color=""Red"">Odom so far with the Lakers has been too passive and they need someone else to step up besides Kobe.</font> As for not trading Odom for Ron Artest I think that has more to do with the fact that Artest is a psychopath than anything else. I'll rethink it.</div>

odom has been too passive earlier on in the season, but in recent span of games he's reallly starting to get how the triangle works and how its run, therefore, his game has really picked up. he is doing good on defense, and most importantly, he is scoring on offense. the guy has a good three point shot and makes it when he's open, he also has a nice baby hook. he is a great fit for the triangle, and like i said, it will take more than francis to pry him away from us.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But at least Richardson fits a need unlike Kenyon Martin who as I said before is redundant. Can you give me a good reason why the Nuggets wouldnt trade K-Mart for Mo Taylor or do you finally agree that Kenyon Martin for Taylor is a more than generous offer. Richardson has also proven to be a good defender this season and is a better shooter than Ruben Patterson and the Nuggets need better perimeter shooting as well as a low post scorer. Richardson also proved to be extremely effective in a high uptempo system which is what the Nuggets are currently using. Ruben Patterson and Quentin Richardson is a fair exchange especially when you consider the huge contract the Knicks would be taking back.</div>

ok. im starting to get the point of the nuggets trading away kenyon. again, i wouldnt do it, but its reasonable, and i wouldnt bash the nuggets front office if they did so. but i would just do martin for taylor straight up if its possible. that way they get to still keep their defensive stopper in patterson, and they can adress their needs for a long range shooter in the free agency market or the draft

 

Phila, I thought you were a 76ers fan?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Phila, I thought you were a 76ers fan?</div>
i am. im a sixers and a lakers fan. ever been to the lakers forum? i also root for the rockets because of yao and occasionally the magic because of jameer nelson.