I think the Media needs to stop voting MVP. Let the NBA players vote. Lets see who they will pick as MVP of the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the Media needs to stop voting MVP. Let the NBA players vote. Lets see who they will pick as MVP of the NBA</div> Exactly. Coaches should choose the All-Star teams and Players should choose the MVP with the rule that they can't vote for anyone on their team, or themself. Journalists in the media go with whatever is selling- if Steve Nash is the "hit thing" then the majority of writers will hop on the bandwagon so that they can capitalize on his success. They will (like we do) look to the numbers (which never tell the whole story) to make a case for or against someone. It's the coaches however that see these players live in practice and in games every single day of the season. They see the hustle play's ESPN almost never show's. They see the pep talk these players give rookies on the sidelines... Jason Kidd got robbed in New Jersey 2 years in a row a few years back, and we all know that the Suns are simply the early 2000 Nets v2.0 . One thing though- those net's were better, they might not have been as fun to watch as the pheonix suns, but they made back to back finals appearances... Anyhow that's beside the point- all I'm saying is fans and the media seem to always screw up who the best player is, All-star games, and MVP's...let the players decide because we all know who they will tell you is the best player in the game today...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post"> Anyhow that's beside the point- all I'm saying is fans and the media seem to always screw up who the best player is, All-star games, and MVP's...let the players decide because we all know who they will tell you is the best player in the game today...</div> So do you want players to decide because you think they'll choose your favorite player, or because you think they are the best judge? Actually, a better judge would probably be the GMs. It's their job to be constantly observing other players and what they do for their respective teams. You and I both know that letting players vote would be akin to letting high school students vote in student government -- it would just become a popularity contest. Plus, players could strategically vote to prevent MVP frontrunners from getting more votes than their teammate. For instance, if Steve Nash wanted the award, what would prevent him from voting for some nobody who doesn't have a chance of winning instead of giving votes to his rivals (like Kobe)? Same for his teammates. A GM is less likely to have that kind of bias.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Why are Kobe lovers so astonished at the fact the Lakers are in the playoffs? Not everybody picked them to be out of the playoffs, their were people who actually picked them to make the playoffs, but you guys (Laker/Kobe fans) make it seem like it's such a huge deal because of his 'supporting cast'. 7th seed is nowhere close to MVP material. Kobe lovers should stop being so biased and realize, while Kobe is having a fantastic season, he should not be MVP.</div> Actually the MVP award doesn't really have a set criteria. The award was first meant to be given to the best player in the league despite a team's success. Bob Petitt won the first MVP award when his team finished second to last ( 7 out of 8 teams at the time.) Moses Malone won the award twice even though his team didn't hit the 50 win mark. Prior to Nash winning it last year, the criteria was you had to play like an MVP in two consecutive seasons. I still think Nash deserves the MVP ahead of anyone else in the MVP hunt right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">If his breakdown is accurate, then his assessment of Kobe for that game is fair, right? At the end, he says: I guess this is the part you took exception to (the "halo effect" theory being applied to Kobe's defense). Do you think Kobe's impact defensively is on par with defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen or Trenton Hassell? You said earlier that he stategically "allocates effort", which doesn't seem far off from Pelton's assessment that Kobe tends to coast for long stretches during a game. I think we all agree that when Kobe is particularly focused on defense, he's an exceptional defender. But for whatever reason (and perhaps the reason is strategic, like you say) the effort looks to be sporadic. Pelton also wrote this favorable article regarding Kobe about how his "ball hogging" appears to have a positive impact on the Lakers, contrary to what critics say. Is there some other article you were referring to where he was critical of Kobe?</div> My gripe was with the sample he used. Pelton used one sample, and opening night of all games to write an article to breakdown Kobe's defense. The article I was referring to wasn't one of his 82game pieces. It was an article comparing Ray Allen and Kobe Bryant. Do I think Kobe's defense is on par as defensive specialists like Bowen or Hassell? Absolutely, it's on par with those two, I think he's actually better than both on defense. Kobe's just not as consistent on defense because of his vastly different role and responsibilities for the Lakers. Bowen and Hassell really don't have to score for their teams to win. I say Kobe is better on defense when needed, because he's faster than either player and more athletic. He knows all the defensive tricks Bowen and Hassell use, and he understands how to disrupt a player's rhythm. Then on top of his defensive pressure, he'll put you on your heels when he's on offense. The only other two way players in the league with this ability, IMO, are Ron Artest, Elton Brand, and Jason Kidd. I think Bowen has taken a step back this season on the defensive end. He's a step slower, and without Duncan being at full strength the stronger player's he guards are taking him to the post with better results. Ron Artest and Melo really beat Bowen up in the most recent meetings by taking him to the paint and outmuscling him.
I wonder if anyone remembers who the 1975-1976 MVP was. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The Lakers were 40-42 that season, missing the playoffs. Kareem averaged 27.7 PPG, 16.9 RPG, and 5.0 APG. That's the team with <font color=""Red"">Gail Goodrich</font>, <font color=""red"">Pat Riley </font>and the ever-so-famous <font color=""red"">Kermit Washington.</font>
Dude, straight up hi-jacking posts and informations from other boards. That's not how you get respect around here. Until this is cleaned up. THREAD CLOSED.
Here's the exact reason why the sport writers should not determine the MVP award. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">John Hollinger: I've always thought the Nash thing was misconstrued as being about race when it's really about size -- We don't like rooting for Goliath, so give Nash (or Iverson before him) the MVP over Shaq and Duncan. Or we give a 5-10 guy 15 tries at a dunk and then name him the "champion' when he completes it .. you get the idea. Everybody wants to pull for the little guy. </div> I think two groups of people should decide the MVP award, the GMs and the coaches.
I think there should be 5 groups that vote for the MVP, and they split it 20%. The league's front office should complie a list of...5 or 6 people, that they send out to fans (on their website), GM's, coaches, players, and media. For example, the NBA front offices select: Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Elton Brand, and Chauncey Billups. They send that list to the media, post it on their website (each fan can vote once, they have to register), send it to players, coahces, and GM's. They have a submit date for the votes, if they don't get it in, their vote doesn't count.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Here's the exact reason why the sport writers should not determine the MVP award. I think two groups of people should decide the MVP award, the GMs and the coaches.</div> What was wrong with what he said? It's true. There is a clear media bias towards little players. After this season, Steve Nash is likely to have more MVPs than Shaquille Freakin' O'neal. More MVPs than Hakeem Olajuwon. More MVPs than David Robinson. We're talking about the three greatest centers of the last 25 years. After Jordan, Shaq was the most dominating offensive player since, probably, Wilt Chamberlain. Hakeem and David are arguably the two greatest defenders of the last 25 years. And Steve Nash gets more MVPs than all three? I think that's pretty damning evidence.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post"> I think two groups of people should decide the MVP award, the GMs and the coaches.</div> I agree. -- For what it's worth, I did splits on Kobe and LeBron against WC and EC teams. As expected, the disparity in wins between the two clubs appears largely to be due to them playing in different Conferences. Statistically, Kobe was significantly better against Eastern Conference teams, while LeBron's numbers were about the same against both conferences. Kobe and the Lakers have a 23-23 (.500) record against the West, and 18-12 (.600) record against the East. LeBron and the Cavs have a 16-14 (.533) record against the West, and a 31-16 (.660) record against the East. Actually not too far off. If the Lakers played in the East instead of the West, it looks like they could very well have gotten the 4th seed as well.
I think the MVP should be decided by Stu Lantz's idea which is: take the top 5 candidates and imagine if the player wasn't playing for that team, and the team with least amount of wins should win it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dtpxcore:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the MVP should be decided by Stu Lantz's idea which is: take the top 5 candidates and imagine if the player wasn't playing for that team, and the team with least amount of wins should win it.</div> Who decides the top 5 candidates? This year, there are more than 5 legitimate MVP candidates (Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Nash, Nowitzki, Billups, Brand, ...)
You can take Wade and Brand off that list. For God sakes kobe averages 30 points in a half. And did you hear Ron Artest, yes Ron Artest says this is the best chance for the Queens to win a championhip!
i was actually worried at first. the lakers started out slow and the warriors offense was hitting at all cylinders. but luckily they cooled off and the lakers started to slow down and make their shots. another great game by kobe, odom, what can i say? great job on you first triple double as a laker! and kwame brown, in the first half gets a triple double. the guy is a beast and im glad he is finally using his potential to the max. the good thing is is that the guy will only get better. it is a good day in laker land, lakers win, kings lose. we are now the 7th seed! yes! the only negative thing about last night was bynum. the guy seemed lost and didnt do much of anything. but thats expected given that he spent, like what, the last month on the bench?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree. -- For what it's worth, I did splits on Kobe and LeBron against WC and EC teams. As expected, the disparity in wins between the two clubs appears largely to be due to them playing in different Conferences. Statistically, Kobe was significantly better against Eastern Conference teams, while LeBron's numbers were about the same against both conferences. Kobe and the Lakers have a 23-23 (.500) record against the West, and 18-12 (.600) record against the East. LeBron and the Cavs have a 16-14 (.533) record against the West, and a 31-16 (.660) record against the East. Actually not too far off. If the Lakers played in the East instead of the West, it looks like they could very well have gotten the 4th seed as well.</div> So do you still think LeBron should be MVP?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">So do you still think LeBron should be MVP?</div> Yes, but it's closer than I originally thought.
Oh man LBJ just tweaked his ankle in a blow out game against the Detoilet Pissons. I just hope he's all right. I want to see this guy in the playoffs.
