Steph Vows Return Of 'Starbury'

Isn't Starbury just Stephon Marbury dribbling like a streetball game and taking more shots? Maybe he'll get traded for improving himself so much. Not a good idea because it doesn't matter wether he's Starbury, or Marbury he still makes no one around him better.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">Isn't Starbury just Stephon Marbury dribbling like a streetball game and taking more shots? Maybe he'll get traded for improving himself so much. Not a good idea because it doesn't matter wether he's Starbury, or Marbury he still makes no one around him better.</div>

Marbury does make people better around him, go watch this basketball team before you come here making bad post like that. Thats basically border line trolling.

Marbury does well off the pick and roll, give Fyre who's just a jumpshoter wide open shots. He's done this with Keith Van Horn, Kurt Thomas, Tim Thomas, Taylor, and others.

If you're going to critize Marbury, then learn how to do it.

 

If Steph makes everyone better why has he never been able to win anywhere? He is the most overated player in the league and if he makes everyone better why are the Knicks so bad? Put Steve Nash or Jason Kidd on this team instead of Stephon and they are at least a 6 seed IMO.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Confident that he won't be traded and <font color=""Red"">repeating his familiar mantra to play like "Starbury" - whatever that means</font> - next season, Marbury said that his days of conforming to Brown's demands as a controlled, pass-first point guard are over. Asked if that is what Brown wants to hear, Marbury fired back: "I don't care what he wants to hear. I'm telling you what I'm going to do."</div>

LMFAO! That made my day.

 

well, steph can do whatever the hell he wants, but last i checked, "starbury" hasnt won anything with any team hes been with. i dont know, but maybe its time marbury learns that his way of doing things is not always right

 

Marbury's an idiot...how the hell does he say that he's not going to play the way Brown wants him to play because he tried it for a part of a year and it didnt work. When has playing like Starbury resulted in things working out?

And BTW, Marbury doenst make people around him better...he gives some big men some offensive chances through the pick and roll. But thats one move..one play. Sure some bigs score of that, but its not making them better..its not pushing them to try, to defend harder to play harder, he doenst motivate them by getting an assist to them. It's more than passing someone a ball, its more than asssits...he simply isnt concerned with how well others do and it shows in his game.

BTW how in the hell would Isiah get a Marbury for Iverson deal done? Marbury is crap compared to Iverson and yet he gets the same amount of money for the same amount of years. Plus he's a cancer to boot.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">If Steph makes everyone better why has he never been able to win anywhere? He is the most overated player in the league and if he makes everyone better why are the Knicks so bad? Put Steve Nash or Jason Kidd on this team instead of Stephon and they are at least a 6 seed IMO.</div>

How many rings do Kidd and Nash have? This winning clinche overused "logic" you're trying to pull here isn't going to help your agruement.


The fact is, and all Knick fans or people who watch Marbury for atleast over 50 games a season know he works well with big men, he create shots for them constantly. He passes more than often in the pick and roll. Unlike Steve Francis who will look for his own shot and ignore the big men who set up him for the pick and roll.

Marbury is the most overrated player in the league you want to say? Who talks about Marbury being great besides himself?

My point is, Marbury isn't the problem to this team, but he isn't the solution.

But for you to troll this forum with "Marbury sucks, he's overrated, he's a ball hog, he's a cancer" isn't smart.


Marbury for the first 30 games of the season, played pass first passive basketball. For the first 15 games, he played pretty good defense. He tried to do what Brown asked for. Marbury didn't look for his own or try to be "Starbury" in the beginning of the season.


The problem with the Knicks they lack ball movement. Eddy Curry cannot be a primary option, he's a ball stopper, turnover prone, and forces too many offensive fouls. Francis dribbles, dribbles, dribbles and turnovers. Nate Robinson is wild, and is a 5"8 Shooting guard trying to run an offense. Crawford was terrible in the first 30 games with his turnovers and assist. Recently he has done a good job. Why is Jalen Rose is on this team?

Please, I come to the Knicks forum to read updates about the Knicks or anything new, not non-logical post about "What has Marbury won, he's a ball hog, he's a cancer"

I've suffered and watch this team all season, I don't need that bullshiteo here.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury's an idiot...how the hell does he say that he's not going to play the way Brown wants him to play because he tried it for a part of a year and it didnt work. When has playing like Starbury resulted in things working out?

And BTW, Marbury doenst make people around him better...he gives some big men some offensive chances through the pick and roll. But thats one move..one play. Sure some bigs score of that, but its not making them better..its not pushing them to try, to defend harder to play harder, he doenst motivate them by getting an assist to them. It's more than passing someone a ball, its more than asssits...he simply isnt concerned with how well others do and it shows in his game.

BTW how in the hell would Isiah get a Marbury for Iverson deal done? Marbury is crap compared to Iverson and yet he gets the same amount of money for the same amount of years. Plus he's a cancer to boot.</div>

Majority of Channing Fyre's points come from the pick and roll jumpshot from 18 feet, what are you talking about? You said its one play, when its a move Knicks constantly do when Curry isn't in the game.

Marbury has sucess in the NBA, he has been to the playoff with 3 different teams, he has put up some unreal productive numbers of 20 and 8.

I've followed Marbury since he was on Phoneix, and he's far from a cancer.

You don't average 20 and 8 all your career "easily". Marbury accually passes the ball constantlyon the pick and roll. He create shots for his big men.

This is why guys with no post games like Keith Van Horn, Channing Fyre, Kurt Thomas are productive with Marbury. Marbury is one of the best in the NBA using the pick and roll with jumpshooting big men. This is where most of his assist come from.

Marbury's problem is he's never had a chance to build a relationship with his coach.

11 different coaches in 9 years isn't easy. These coaches may ask Marbury to do alot of different things. This has become a yearly major change for Stephon. Its as difficult as being traded, because you're the point guard, you have to set it up and read plays from the coach.

Problem with Stephon is he's not ready to take that leadership role. He's not built inside for that.

and the Ego thing is overblowned and oversaid, BE CREATIVE.

Everyone in the NBA has that mentality "I'm the best PG, I'm the best C" If you don't have that mentality, then you'll have low standards and will have low achievements. Marbury just said it to the media, thats too bad. He is right? No. But its reality, everyone is like that.

 

I can't wait for the team to improve under the leadership of "Starbury"!

 

Is Stephon Marbury in love with Starbury?
Stephon needs to take a hard look at the facts and stats and how much more credibilty Larry Brown has over both Stephon Marbury and Starbury.
I think Stephon just needs to keep his head and grab the opportunity to play under a Hall of Fame coach like Larry Brown. Iverson wept when asked about Larry Brown on Stephen A. Smith's ESPN show. That alone shows respect for Larry Brown and I am amazed at how Stephon is not recognizing or respecting that.

 

Well if you dont care Marbury, then have fun not caring on another team. We dont want you anymore.

 

Haha he's too funny. He should be player-coach. Starbury is his alter-ego that's going to be unleashed. If both he and Brown stay, it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

I understand Marbury is one probably the most hated basketball player on the planet....but hey Im looking forward to the coming of "Starbury" even if it fails its entertainment I like that.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">How many rings do Kidd and Nash have? This winning clinche overused "logic" you're trying to pull here isn't going to help your agruement.


The fact is, and all Knick fans or people who watch Marbury for atleast over 50 games a season know he works well with big men, he create shots for them constantly. He passes more than often in the pick and roll. Unlike Steve Francis who will look for his own shot and ignore the big men who set up him for the pick and roll.

Marbury is the most overrated player in the league you want to say? Who talks about Marbury being great besides himself?

My point is, Marbury isn't the problem to this team, but he isn't the solution.

But for you to troll this forum with "Marbury sucks, he's overrated, he's a ball hog, he's a cancer" isn't smart.


Marbury for the first 30 games of the season, played pass first passive basketball. For the first 15 games, he played pretty good defense. He tried to do what Brown asked for. Marbury didn't look for his own or try to be "Starbury" in the beginning of the season.


The problem with the Knicks they lack ball movement. Eddy Curry cannot be a primary option, he's a ball stopper, turnover prone, and forces too many offensive fouls. Francis dribbles, dribbles, dribbles and turnovers. Nate Robinson is wild, and is a 5"8 Shooting guard trying to run an offense. Crawford was terrible in the first 30 games with his turnovers and assist. Recently he has done a good job. Why is Jalen Rose is on this team?

Please, I come to the Knicks forum to read updates about the Knicks or anything new, not non-logical post about "What has Marbury won, he's a ball hog, he's a cancer"

I've suffered and watch this team all season, I don't need that bullshiteo here.</div>

Nash won MVP last year and Kidd led New jersey to 2 straight NBA Finals. While they may have lost they were Eastern Conference Champions and that's more than anything Marbury's ever done and that's why both are HOF candidates when they retire. From what I've read in this thread you're the only Knick fan I've seen defending him.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">Nash won MVP last year and Kidd led New jersey to 2 straight NBA Finals. While they may have lost they were Eastern Conference Champions and that's more than anything Marbury's ever done and that's why both are HOF candidates when they retire. From what I've read in this thread you're the only Knick fan I've seen defending him.</div>

What was the post meant? Cause I never said or will believe Marbury is a better player or PG than Kidd or Nash at this point. Nash and Kidd never won the FINALS either.

Nash isn't a HOF candidate, he has to do what he's doing now for atleast 2-3 years. Kidd is a no brainer.

I'm defending Marbury from the troll-like rediculous statements that has been posted, cause I'm tired of people coming here and hating on the Knicks for no reason.

I know this TEAM is bad, and if you've been here for a while, you can ask any Knick fan in here, and they will tell you I was the first to say this team would be a diaster to with Brown, and all these players who play indivual non defensive basketball.

Its simple, get off of Marbury's meat. The media LOVES to ride Marbury, and the public lets the media think for them and select their opinion.

Francis, Curry, Rose, Taylor, Rose, Robinson, James all have been negative for this team.

and Isiah gets no attention now cause of statements like this by Marbury.

I think Marbury make these statements so non opinionated people like YOU guys and the media can ride them, so Marbury can save Isiah's ass.

Anyway, this is played out. Look how Laker_fan accually deeply falls for this.


I don't mind if Marbury gets traded at all, but get the facts straight, he doesn't hurt this team. Marbury shouldn't have been traded here in the first place. Phoneix was looking for cap space for Amare and to rebuild, and Isiah Thomas was the only guy to take the deal for Phoneix.


Every Isiah deal has to do with the other team not wanting a player or trying to get under the cap. Look at the Magic, the Bulls, the Raptors, Phoneix. These teams are on the rise, while Knicks are on the decline.

 

I will say one thing positive, Starbury even when he plays like Starbury does not dominate the ball more than he should. The solution to me seems pretty easy, have him start at the 2 EVERY GAME, have him be one of your two or three offensive threats, get a pass-first point guard, doesn't have to be Nash or Kidd, just someone decent, and figure out who the 2nd scoring option will be, someone in the post whether it be Frye or Curry. Then build the rest of the guys around that....none of this EVERYBODY rebound, everybody defend, give guys a specialty. at least that's what i would do. Bottom line they need a consistent line-up night in and night out so they can get a rhythm. Guys want to know their role. A lot of times the players on this Knick team look unsure of their role - that leads to turnovers or missed baskets. They have too many 2 guard type players right now - Jamal, Nate,Stephon and Francis are all leaning towards the 2 spot than a true point guard. As a team they need to SIMPLIFY. they are a mess roster-wise. all the successful teams, the guys know their roles

 

Despite Isaiah being the root cause of this problem(I whole heartedly agree with that fact), Marbury's attitude doesn't help this team's situation at all. If hew ants to win he has to mature this way and squash whatever's between him and Brown,

 

Nash has to do more than he has so far to be in the HOF. Kidd has a much better chance.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">I will say one thing positive, Starbury even when he plays like Starbury does not dominate the ball more than he should. The solution to me seems pretty easy, have him start at the 2 EVERY GAME, have him be one of your two or three offensive threats, get a pass-first point guard, doesn't have to be Nash or Kidd, just someone decent, and figure out who the 2nd scoring option will be, someone in the post whether it be Frye or Curry. Then build the rest of the guys around that....none of this EVERYBODY rebound, everybody defend, give guys a specialty. at least that's what i would do. Bottom line they need a consistent line-up night in and night out so they can get a rhythm. Guys want to know their role. A lot of times the players on this Knick team look unsure of their role - that leads to turnovers or missed baskets. They have too many 2 guard type players right now - Jamal, Nate,Stephon and Francis are all leaning towards the 2 spot than a true point guard. As a team they need to SIMPLIFY. they are a mess roster-wise. all the successful teams, the guys know their roles</div>

Marbury is too passive to play SG, and too short to defend shooting guards.

Trade everyone from this team...