http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/409575p-346561c.html <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If Brown were to leave the Knicks after one disastrous season, it could damage his reputation. Brown could be viewed as a health risk and as a coach who has failed miserably in two of his last three jobs - the 2004 Olympics and the 2005-06 Knicks. Still, others feel that Brown is only partially to blame for the Knicks' debacle and that his Hall of Fame credentials would create many opportunities. One plausible scenario would be Brown replacing Mike Montgomery with Golden State. Brown and the Warriors' owner, Christopher Cohan, are friends who both live in East Hampton during the summer.</div>
I doubt it'll happen, Cohan won't pay Larry the money hes going to command. Baron and Larry probably won't get along but the same thing happened with LB and A.I., also Larry has really done well making guys like A.I. and Chauncy Billups complete players. He'd be an upgrade over Monty but I'm not sure how his style would fit with our roster.
Larry Brown failed? Excuse me? Basketball is like any other team game: A team is only as good as the sum of the parts. In basketball, you could load it with allstars and not win because the sum of their parts aren't adding up to the whole. The Olympics team could not freakin' shoot and it's basketball for goodness sakes. You could have tons of mismatches, but in the end, if you can't shoot, you can't win. The Knicks have their own fair share of problems just like the Warriors do and how the Warriors fans are blaming the current coach for all its problems. It's not the coach's fault if he ain't got anything to fight with on offense or defense. Mainly, teams lose because they have guys who can't shoot. Warriors shoot high volume, low % shots. In the international game, guys shot high volume low % shots. In the Knicks game, they shoot high volume, low % shots. See a pattern here? It ain't the coach. It all starts with team chemistry and proper team design. I don't think the guys who assembled both teams understood what the hell they were doing.
Forgot one more thing: They didn't have too many big men on that Olympic roster besides Tim Duncan. The guards tended to overdribble and cast away shots rather than run things like a pure point guard would. Also, they couldn't shoot!
If Larry Brown came to this team Adonal Foyle would have a breakout year and comparisons would be made between Foyle and Dr. Julius Irving.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Larry Brown failed? Excuse me? Basketball is like any other team game: A team is only as good as the sum of the parts.</div> Shh...don't tell New York this. Larry Brown failed. I'm joining the bandwagon, and then hope he will come to Oakland. I would have never thought that Chris Cohan had these connections to people like Larry Brown before. Why didn't he say so before? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">If Larry Brown came to this team Adonal Foyle would have a breakout year and comparisons would be made between Foyle and Dr. Julius Irving.</div> Well maybe at least Ben Wallace would be cool. Though I don't see Foyle being mean or even athletic. Foyle would rather have a nice cup of tea or coffee and discuss the things that disturb him on the basketball court than make the type of expressions Ben Wallace does. And oh, the hair... But wait, Larry Brown could at least give it a try. I'd let there at least be the chance of it occuring by having Larry Brown repalce Mike Montgomery. Also Larry Brown and Allen Iverson made it to the finals I believe. So they didn't have too bad of a relationship. Even Allen Iverson was MVP one year I believe as well. They had friction between each other, but they seemed to have stayed on the same page when game time rolled around. No in the pracitce gym or in the locker room, maybe it was different. But the game court, things seemed to settle out fine. Larry Brown would be good for Baron Davis. Baron is still quite young, and I don't think would be as stubborn or as bad as Stephon Marbury has been for Larry Brown. At least Baron seems to listen to Mike Montgomery and can repeat what is told to him and the team by the coach after games. At least from the post-game comments, it would seem as if Baron and Montgomery would say similar things.
Monty isn't going anywhere. Mullin must expect Montgomery will turn in another Larry Brown -- college coach who made it in the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">Monty isn't going anywhere. Mullin must expect Montgomery will turn in another Larry Brown -- college coach who made it in the NBA. </div> yeah dude. We both know what Rowell and Mullin said.
That would be sweet. Isn't Ben Wallace a FA this summer? We could sign him and Larry Brown. I think Baron would respect a guy like Larry Brown. I dont think Brown would let Dunleavy play the way he has most of the year. Talk about not letting young guys like Darko play. What would he do about our young guys? Monta could be our version of Rip...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I doubt it'll happen, Cohan won't pay Larry the money hes going to command. Baron and Larry probably won't get along but the same thing happened with LB and A.I., also Larry has really done well making guys like A.I. and Chauncy Billups complete players. He'd be an upgrade over Monty but I'm not sure how his style would fit with our roster.</div> Since Baron and Larry probably won't get along, we know Baron and Monty won't get along. Baron is a problem and should be better traded off now with Murphy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">Since Baron and Larry probably won't get along, we know Baron and Monty won't get along. Baron is a problem and should be better traded off now with Murphy.</div> Or how about just dropping Monty? This is the NBA, if we want to trade the closest thing to being our "savior" for a few role players and have no shot at even sniffing the playoffs for another decade then by all means trade off Baron. I know hes a primadonna but thats the NBA, if we want to be a better team then the coach has to put up with him. I think he'd respect a guy like Mario Ellie or Keith Smart more than he does Monty, what the hell has Monty done at all in the NBA? I would like to trade Baron if we could get something back of equal production but his trade value is just as low or lower than it was last season and the best we could hope to get back for him is Marbury or Francis. I don't care if hes a primadonna, I want to win and he gives us a better chance of winning than anything we'd get in return for him in a trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CohanHater:</div><div class="quote_post">All this on speculation of who will or won't get along. People need to not get ahead of yourselves</div> I agree. Fact is no one knows.
Turning the franchise around in one year is not easy. What fans have to expect from general management is there being some sort of contingency plan rather than feeling in the dark and hoping things work out. I'm sure there is. Of course I'm not saying we should abandon ship just yet and call for any heads (that would be impatient knee jerkin'), but Mullin and company should have made safer investments so it doesn't come back and bite us in the ass when things don't pan out. Take for instance the Dunleavy, Fisher, Foyle veteran signings. I think out of the entire free agent signings, Murphy and Richardson were the only guys worth signing. Then out of those two, Richardson seems to be the only real difference maker game to game because he can do more for the team with his God-given all-around talents and his humble attitude. The other four positions really suck. Baron is good at point guard, but I don't know if he's dependable health wise and attitude wise. Hopefully, it's the media blowing the whole thing out of proportion and Baron really is an unselfish, team player that listens. Anyway, the bad investments was pretty much what this whole thing was. Some questionable investments that couldn't provide balance/new weapons to this team and it also invested in a coach who probably has the same inexperience and way less power in the NBA to win because he can't pick his own guys to get the ball inside. But I don't hate on the coach because when guys are locked up to stupid deals, the coach has to play them because that is what the GM expects that coach to do. There's rookie prospects and all, but you can't win that way either expecting them to be like Lebron James to shoulder all that weight. Nobody should have to explain why young teams don't make the playoffs even if they have some great and interesting rookies on their roster. It just doesn't work that way. Inexperience, not "playing the right way", poor team design and the fact vets get paid nearly 8-10 mil a year to just suck shows why this franchise continues to fail. 3 bench guys on this roster, plus an arguable starter, and one actual good starter just won't cut it. I don't want to guild the lily with Jrich here, but he is another "all-around" guy that has a lot of flaws for an elite player at his position. He puts up scoring, but I don't even think he's better than Vinsanity or Paul Pierce at this point. He does have the amazing power to defy what people believe he can achieve each and every year. So hopefully free throw shooting is #1 priority and his ability to split defenders. He can already take guys off the dribble and pull up into a jumper or finish with contact at the rim for a layup rather than try to dunk everything. His defense is what it's going to be. Probably no better than Ray Allen or Vince Carter or T-mac's. The guy at least listens to the coaching staff, works like a maniac on D every single game, and he blocks more shots than most of our forwards.
Many of those signings were just too much. I understand the Foyle signing.. honestly At the time, Foyle was one of the most underpaid centers in the league, he fit into Muss' free flowing offense, and his strengths on Defense were really evident alongside Cliffy who knew how to play weakside defense. It was a bit much, but the Warriors were strapped and there wasn't really any other options at the time. One thing to remember, if they hadn't signed Foyle, a team without any Center and Rookies coming up isn't exactly what you'd want to lure a free agent big over. That team without him would've lost a TON of games. In hindsight, we overpaid on Foyle but it really wouldn't have hurt too much if not for the Fisher signing. Why do I not mention Dunleavy and Murphy here. Let me start with Murphy.... Mullin made a gamble. He figured that if he signed both Murphy and JRich to large contracts, one or both of them would end up a steal. JRich turned out to be the steal, Murphy's value on the east coast may be higher than it is here because he puts up good numbers. Dunleavy, we all know how hideous this deal is. Why didn't Mullin just wait a year? Even if Dunleavy broke out, he still could've gotten nearly the same contract this season. We'll see what happens. I think Dunleavy can still recover once a low post presence emerges on this team. I think he can be that slashing wing player that puts up all around stats, this just isn't the right team for him.. I hat this contract. Fisher... why Mullin? Ok, so we didn't have a "bigtime" point guard at this point. But Speedy was good enough. We could've resigned Boykins (i know i know two tiny guys wouldn't cut it) or picked up any aging vet without the length on the deal. He's too old to have been given that long of a deal. All of the other guys I mentioned in this rant are moveable without giving up too much in talent. My fear is that we'll be watching DFish chuck up 3s for the next 4 years.
He'd most definately fix some of our defensive problems for sure. For those who worry about him not playing rookies, it seems he's more inclined to now because of what he's been through with NY and him playing rookies there. He'd love Monta Ellis, a defender and very humble unlike many PG's he's had to deal with (even rookies like Nate Robinson). But if he were here, I worry he'd play Foyle 35+ mins a night.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition...ny-sports-print <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks saw a couple of potential openings for Brown close off just within the last week. 1) When Brown said he's feeling better now than he did a year ago, the chances for a successful insurance claim were severely decreased, and 2) When Warriors exec Chris Mullin said they'll stick with Mike Montgomery, a potential landing spot was lost. (Warriors owner Chris Cohan has a home within spitting distance from Brown's home in East Hampton, and there are pictures in the Warriors' offices of one of Cohan's kids being instructed by Brown at his summer clinic there.)</div> Damn you Mullin!
