<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Man I would rather not trade Jason Richardson. He's too awesome. </div> i totally agree, baron and Jrich untouchables
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iLL PiLL:</div><div class="quote_post">i totally agree, baron and Jrich untouchables</div> Hopefully, Baron will improve his shooting %'s and his free throw %'s and stop gambling on steals all the time. Also, he needs to get healthy and become mature mentally. So far, he's the closest we have to a franchise player (the guy that makes everyone better). Nothing in his past really illustrates that he can become more than what Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury has shown. He needs to be more like Kidd n' Nash.
I would say Richardson is untouchable, but I certainly would not say Baron is untouchable. I am really intrigued by the thought of a trade for KG. First of all, if it did happen, Baron would be the one involved in the trade, not Jason. Minnesota has Ricky Davis and Rashard McCants at the sg spot and while neither is nearly as good as Richardson, they're good enough to warrant big minutes (for you Monta Ellis lovers out there, this should mean that he's safe as well). The Wolves, however, have a lot of problems at pg. They've got Marko Jaric and Troy Hudson both making over 5 mil a year and neither is producing. Jaric's contract is worse because it's runs through 2011. Since the Shaq and T-Mac trades have shown that a team can't get equal value in return for a superstar, I think the following trade is possible: <u>Warriors trade</u>: Davis: 13.7 mil Murphy: 7.3 mil 2006 first rounder and one of the following: 1. Cabarkapa: 1.4 mil (hopefully) 2. Biedrins 1.9 mil (more likely) 3. Diogu: 1.8 mil (most likely) <u>Wolves trade</u>: Garnett: 18 mil Jaric: 5.2 mil The Warriors can even throw Pietrus into the deal, since they'd probably have to stray into luxury tax land to resign him. I'd hope the Warriors could keep Diogu and Biedrins, but the Wolves will probably demand one of the two, if not both, but when you have a chance to get a player of KG's caliber, you don't quibble over a guy like Biedrins or Diogu. I wouldn't be broken up about it though because there are going to be several big men available in what should be a much better draft in 2007. Also while the top end of the 2006 draft is very weak, there is a lot of quality in the later picks, and the Warriors could very well get a serviceable big man such as Hilton Armstrong, Kevin Pittsnogle, Marco Killingsworth, Terrance Dials, or maybe even Nick Fazekas or Josh Boone. And while I think it's very unlikely that Leon Powe would fall to the Warriors second round pick, if doctors think his knee is going to be a problem the rest of his career, it's possible. Personally, I think Powe is better than Diogu. I'm also a big Chris Taft fan if he can demonstrate that he can stay healthy.
<u>GS Trades:</u> Foyle Fisher Dunleavy <u>Minnesota Trades</u> Mark Madsen I think this deal is good because Minnesota gets three proven, highly-paid NBA players who can come to a team and fill up roster space, and the WArriors get a player in Mark Madsen who is better than those other three guys combined.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post"><u>GS Trades:</u> Foyle Fisher Dunleavy <u>Minnesota Trades</u> Mark Madsen I think this deal is good because Minnesota gets three proven, highly-paid NBA players who can come to a team and fill up roster space, and the WArriors get a player in Mark Madsen who is better than those other three guys combined.</div> That's a Kevin McHale dream deal, if I've seen one.
Charlotte Bobcats Incoming Players: Adonal Foyle Salary: $7,312,500 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 4.5 REB: 5.5 AST: 0.4 PER: 10.37 Derek Fisher Salary: $5,393,300 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 13.3 REB: 2.6 AST: 4.3 PER: 14.87 Troy Murphy Salary: $7,365,079 Years Remaining: 5 PTS: 14.0 REB: 10.0 AST: 1.4 PER: 15.93 Golden State Warriors Incoming Players: Emeka Okafor Salary: $4,020,120 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 13.2 REB: 10.0 AST: 1.2 PER: 14.94 Brevin Knight Salary: $4,600,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 12.6 REB: 3.2 AST: 8.8 PER: 17.40 _______________________________________ Golden State Warriors Lineup PG: Baron, Knight SG: JRich, Ellis SF: Dunleavy, Pietrus PF: Diogu, Okafor C: Okafor, Biedrins, Taft Charlotte Bobcats Lineup PG: Fisher, Felton SG: Felton, Wallace SF: Wallace, Jones PF: Murphy, May C: Brezec, Foyle Don't like it for the bobcats but i love it for the warriors.
hahahaha no way they would do that, but I would so love it. but don't contracts need to match? Emeka > Murphy Knight > Fisher
LOL yeah its totally unfair. But it went through because bobcats have so much money they can probably sign KG and JO and would still be under the cap
I like that Bobcats one, trg_tony because it would make Gerald Wallace the team center. The Murph/Brezec F/C tandem means more dunks and layups for the rest of the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Alright, heres two more both trying to dump Foyle. GSW Trades: Foyle, Pietrus, 06 1st round pick GSW Recieces: PJ Brown, JR Smith NOH Trades: PJ Brown, JR Smith NOH Recieves: Foyle, Pietrus, 06 1st round pick New Orleans eats Foyles contract so that they can acquire a 1st round pick and a good replacement for JR Smith, who seems to have fallen out of favor with Byron Scott. PJ Brown is on his last leg and while the Hornets still value him they may rather take another pick as well as another young prospect. Foyle has 3 years left and can be dealt in 2 as an expiring contract if hes not retired and writing poetry books by then, if not hes at least a decent shot blocking threat for the next year or so that he retains his 4 inch verticle leap. New NOH Lineup: Paul/Claxton/Norris Pietrus/Snyder/Mausijauskas Butler/Mason/Fizer West/Jackson/Fizer Foyle/A. Williams/ Jackson Plus add 2 first round picks anywhere in there. GSW drops Foyles contract and trades their young swingman prospect for one with better potential but a much worse work ethic. We have to give the 1st round pick so that the Hornets will accept and its not very valuable to us anyway since we have better young prospects at every position than the players available in the draft. JR Smith is younger than Pietrus, a better shooter (more consistent anyway), but nowhere near the defender or hard worker. He seems to have more potential but he may never even come close to reaching it because of his bad attitude and/or poor work ethic. Murphy and Fisher can realistically be moved as well. GSW New Lineup: Baron/Fisher/Bynum/Monta J-Rich/Monta Dunleavy/Cheany (or FA, Jumaine Jones is ideal) Murphy/Ike/Taft Brown/Biedrins/Taft Or if we can get a starting center via Murphy or Fish plus the philly pick then move Brown to starting PF as a stop gap until Ike is ready. Trade #2: GSW Trades: Foyle, 1st round pick WAS Trades: Brendan Haywood or Etan Thomas, Michael Ruffin Washington takes a downgrade at center for a 1st round pick, if thats valuable enough to them then they may go for this deal. Ruffin is just an expiring contract filler, GS can cut him and he can go back if he wants to. GSW gets an upgrade at center and a small expiring contract for their crappy center and their lotto pick. Pretty basic deal, we'd rather get Haywood but if Washington will only do it with Etan Thomas instead then I'd accept. I'm too lazy to post the new lineups but its a simple trade so easy to imagine what it'd be like.</div> Too generous. We need to get back a pick from NO-OK,likely the #15. Pietrus is way better than Smith. NO has no C if PJ moves on,and we'd be happy to let him expire and return to the Hornets if he'd like to. To give Pietrus and a top 10 ( S Williams? O'Bryant) to make our overpaid starting C go away is bad business. If NESSECERY we park Foyle/Fish and Cohen pays some lux tax. The Hornets however will have cap room and do not have much depth. Atlanta and Charlotte also have cap space. We can add incentives...but the point is to build a team. Pietrus IS a VERY good defender and potentially good all around.
From the Bulls perspective, there is no way this trade would happen. First off, Harrington is a FA so he can be had without giving anyone up. So basically, what Chicago would be doing is trading Duhon, Sweetney, AND the 15th pick for Pietrus. WAY TOO much to give up, IMO. Especially since a bigger defensive minded guard can be had with the 15th pick (ala Mardy Collins, Brewer)......
I don't even know if this would be possible based on BYC rules and all that stuff but what about something along these lines Murph, Foyle and Pietrus (or Zarko) for Zach Randolph and a resigned Joel Pryzbilla (please let me know if that's not possible because I'm not sure the rule, but something about a grace period sounds familiar) I've heard Z-Bo is a follower and that Darius is a cancer, so reunited with Jrich would be a great thing for him. Plus Pryz wants to leave Portland, and I know he had problems with some of his teammate's effort, but I really believe that has more to do with Darius than Zach. Also Portland would be getting the kind of quality guys they are looking for, fine upstanding citizens.
I'm just not at all impressed with Zach Randolph. I don't know him personally, but something about this guy doesn't sit right with me. Pryzbilla? I'd love to have that guy. I've tried to play around with a way to do a Portland sign-n-trade with him for Foyle and Fisher, but then I have to ask myself "why the hell would they want Foyle or Fisher?"
Here's a rumor circulating around LA ... One scenario I heard was the Lakers trading Mihm for Fisher and swapping 1st Round picks with the Warriors. The Lakers would draft at #9 and the Warriors would draft at #26. The reasoning for the Lakers to make this trade is obvious, they get a veteran PG who's familiar with the Triangle. Something PJax and Mitch both said they want to pursue. Plus the Lakers improve their draft position. Why do the Warriors do it? They need a servicable starting center, and Chris Mihm fits a huge need for them, plus he has a cap friendly contract. The Warriors are already loaded with young, prospects and several projects since they've been in the draft for the past 12 seasons. There isn't a dominant center to pursue in this year's draft class, so selecting a player a #9 will only create another logjam on their roster. The Warriors also need to shed some cap space to re-sign Pietrus and create some flexibility when Monta Ellis, Biedrins, and Diogu's contract extensions come around. The question becomes how desperate are the Warriors to unload Fisher's contract? And do either team want to help out each other since they are within the same division and could be fighting for playoff positioning next season?
I don't see many trade scenarios where the Bulls and the Warriors end up helping each other out. We've got a Tyson Chandler like player in Biedrins (defensive role player). A guy IMO better than Sweetney (Ike Diogu). Chris Duhon IMO is probably more of what we need as a pure point, but Fisher is better than him at shooting the ball (a better sixth man role), plus Duhon really ain't that quick. Getting Gordon would impede Monta Ellis' growth and Gordon seems like he'd be a Jason Terry type player, rather than Gilbert Arenas or Stephon Marbury. Actually the only players I would want on the Bulls is either Hinrich or Noccioni or Deng, but those guys are probably keepers for the Bulls. I would do Zach Randolph/Pryzbilla the Thrilla trade any old day for those guys. Sure, it screws up Ike Diogu's playing time and it still doesn't solve the Murphy-like defense that Zebo puts up, but we just got ourselves a huge trade chip for a team desperate for some low post presence. I don't know if the trade works though.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Here's a rumor circulating around LA ... One scenario I heard was the Lakers trading Mihm for Fisher and swapping 1st Round picks with the Warriors. The Lakers would draft at #9 and the Warriors would draft at #26. The reasoning for the Lakers to make this trade is obvious, they get a veteran PG who's familiar with the Triangle. Something PJax and Mitch both said they want to pursue. Plus the Lakers improve their draft position. Why do the Warriors do it? They need a servicable starting center, and Chris Mihm fits a huge need for them, plus he has a cap friendly contract. The Warriors are already loaded with young, prospects and several projects since they've been in the draft for the past 12 seasons. There isn't a dominant center to pursue in this year's draft class, so selecting a player a #9 will only create another logjam on their roster. The Warriors also need to shed some cap space to re-sign Pietrus and create some flexibility when Monta Ellis, Biedrins, and Diogu's contract extensions come around. The question becomes how desperate are the Warriors to unload Fisher's contract? And do either team want to help out each other since they are within the same division and could be fighting for playoff positioning next season?</div> I may be in the minority here but I don't think Fisher is as big of a problem as our dearth of big men. When we describe our big guys as "serviceable" it really means they are career bench guys, not starters. Did you know Foyle makes nearly 10 mil a year? For what? The guys hardly sees minutes on the floor because he doesn't do anything impactful. If we can upgrade the big positions I'd throw in anybody including Baron (but not Jrich, Ellis, Ike and maybe Biedrins). Biedrins is younger than Ellis so I'll cut him a break since every time he's started he's almost put up a double double. If the grass is greener on the other side with our rookies compared to our current starters, I like this future lineup: C: Andris Biedrins (NBA comparrison: Tyson Chandler/Jeff Foster) PF: Ike Diogu (NBA comparrison: Zach Randolph/Elton Brand) SF: Mike Dunleavy (NBA comparrison: Toni Kukoc, although not as good nor consistent) SG: Jason Richardson (NBA comparrison: Mike Finley in his prime) PG: Monta Ellis (NBA comparrison: Tony Parker) But I think SF and C spots need to be beefed up because we're in the freakin' Western Conference here where we need to match up. If we can get a pure SF like Carney or some other SF prospect that plays like a guard or a bulky center prospect outside of the Warriors' own Chris Taft, I think the Warriors are looking more promising. The biggest shot in the foot is the Warriors front office's inability to manage the salary problems it has every couple of years. Here's the rookies I've got on my radar but I'm not really wowed by any of them: C/PF: Tiago Splitter, Patrick O'Bryant, Sheldon Williams, Cedric Simmons SG or SF: Rodney Carney, Adam Morrison, Rudy Gay, Ronnie Brewer, Rudy Fernandez I'd prefer if we picked a SF since I bet some guys are bound to drop. But none of these guys really look better than Pietrus or Dunleavy. Maybe on paper they do.
I totally agree about Fisher, he is the least of our problems. The guy had a great year, people just have to realize he is not a point guard. Front court defense, and running smart plays in the 4th are the problems.
CR2, I agree Fisher isn't the major problem, but cap space issue for the Warriors is. At the end of the day is Derek Fisher earning his paycheck, and is he part of the future plans for the Warriors team? I'd say the answer is no to both of those questions. He's signed for another 4 years and will be 36 when his contract ends.
but don't you want a great clutch shooter if and when we make the playoffs? Plus a guy who has played and won so many playoff games, besides him and Baron we have no playoff experience, and Baron's came when the east was terrible. Do anything to get rid of Foyle is my stance.
