<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok then. Kobe had a fantastic season, but why don't you guys stop being biased.</div> You're looking for trouble. Instead of coming in here and saying a comment that you know will upset some people, think before you speak.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LO7:</div><div class="quote_post">What does Kobe need to do to gain even a little respect? Change his number? I mean 4th place for the leagues leading scorer? </div> Have a better record and finish higher than 7th. Pretty simply really.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Have a good record and finish higher than 7th.</div> Or how about average 81 ppg for a season, maybe and only maybe will he then be considered as a candidate dont you think?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">You're looking for trouble. Instead of coming in here and saying a comment that you know will upset some people, think before you speak.</div> Its true, there are plenty of threads to discuss this, why come in this particular one and firstly make a comment and secondly give no reasoning to why you think otherwise? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Have a better record and finish higher than 7th. Pretty simply really.</div> I don't think people realise that we were five games clear of making the playoffs and we had the 10th best winning percentage in the whole of the NBA. That in itself is quite an accomplishment when you consider the support that Kobe has. Nash won nine more games than Kobe with his supporting cast. When you compare the other players on both teams, nine games isn't a huge margin to make Nash more deserving of MVP.
well, the argument is, is that nash led the suns to 62 wins last season with a roster of amare, johnson, and q-rich. this season, all three of them were gone and he still managed to get them to the #2 seed in the west and 54 wins. what it basically means is that the suns lost 3 quality starters, one injured, and still managed to make them a top team in the west. am i saying that i agree with nash as mvp? no. i still think kobe should have won, but at least the argument makes sense. i would much rather have nash win the mvp than lebron
^^It's not as if the Suns' GM wasn't making moves in the offseason. If you are going to look at the players that the Suns lost, be fair and look at the players that they added. Also keep in mind that Marion is playing even better than he did last year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Magic and Jordan are the only guards who have won back 2 back MVP's! I dont even feel right mentioning nash in that group. When was the last time a player won the MVP award while scoring under 20 ppg? Thats easy... Nash did! for tehsecond straight year. </div> Once again, what in God's name does scoring have to do with anything? If scoring was the case, Allen Iverson would have like 5 MVP'S by now. It comes down to Nash leading the Suns to a better record then the Lakers (and the Cavs for that matter) and being much more of a factor (or engine) for his teammates then Kobe is. Laker fans, once again, all I have to say is; allright, Nash got his this year as well, but Nash is getting older every year and slower every year. His chances of three-peating as an MVP are slim and with the Shaqs and Duncans and Garnett's slowly fading out of the picture for any more MVPS in the future, the likes of Kobe, Lebron and Dirk will be closer to getting thier own next year and in the years to come. So basically, if you really believe in Kobe, you believe that he will work (with the number 24 now ) on making the Lakers much higher then a 7th seed and unanimously winning the MVP award on a certain year with no doubts in people's minds. He is capable of that and I believe his time will come, not just now and ESPECIALLY not when his team finish 7th overall. However, Kobe should have been placed higher then Lebron. As for "the people's MVP", all I have to say is, can you blame the poster (whoever it was) for saying that Laker fans are biased? Of course they're biased. There's plenty of intelligent posters on the Lakers forum but some of you are just biased beyond reasonability. Try to see BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN before saying your opinions. It's allright to be biased, but atleast acknowledge and give credit where it's due. Once again, I'm not trying to start anything, just calling it out how I see it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LO7:</div><div class="quote_post">What in God's purple and gold hell do you mean stop being biased. Is that your favorite word or something? Or do you just hate the fact that Kobe got robbed.</div> Don't even sit their and tell me Laker fans arn't biased. If you don't think so, I'm not going to waste my time debating this with you. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Its a Laker board, what do you expect?</div> I expect posters to be neutral and be knowledable and don't assume everyone are Kobe haters like spawn and shape do. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You're looking for trouble. Instead of coming in here and saying a comment that you know will upset some people, think before you speak.</div> I've already acknowledged hundreds of times that Kobe is a fantastic player and had an amazing season, but is what I said false? It's like Laker/Kobe fans can't believe somebody would say Kobe doesn't deserve MVP, and automatically call them Kobe haters. Funny how they don't comment on how I say over and over again Kobe is a great player, but when I say Kobe shouldn't be MVP everyone thinks I'm hating. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As for "the people's MVP", all I have to say is, can you blame the poster (whoever it was) for saying that Laker fans are biased? Of course they're biased. There's plenty of intelligent posters on the Lakers forum but some of you are just biased beyond reasonability. Try to see BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN before saying your opinions. It's allright to be biased, but atleast acknowledge and give credit where it's due. Once again, I'm not trying to start anything, just calling it out how I see it.</div> Thank you!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">^^It's not as if the Suns' GM wasn't making moves in the offseason. If you are going to look at the players that the Suns lost, be fair and look at the players that they added. Also keep in mind that Marion is playing even better than he did last year.</div> they lost joe johnson, a key starter and potential all star in the league, and already proven all star in amare to injury, key starter and 3 point shooting champ q-rich. who did they add? raja bell, not a "big" name, but currently is having one of his best seasons yet averaging 14 ppg, eddie house, who before coming to the suns was a bench player, and still is but has vastly improved his scoring abilities thanks to the presence of nash. they also added james jones, who was nothing more than a role player, but is now averaging almost double figures in scoring. and dont forget diaw, who averaged 5 ppg last season, and all of a sudden comes and average 13 ppg. before the season started, i dont think anyone expected these players to have a season that they are currently having. all in all, nash makes his teammates around him better, and if that is what the league thinks an MVP should be, then so be it.
Honestly, Kobe didn't deserve it over Nash until the last two weeks of the season. Kobe doesn't have enough writers as friends to win a race this close, either. I have no problem with Nash winning, why? This will fuel Kobe to go out and MURDER the Suns tonight!
Not true. If you give Nash our starting lineup. Lamar would be averaging 20, 10, and 6. Kwame would be averaging 15 and 8. Nash? 20 and 10. At first, I thought Kobe was ripped. Then I thought about it, Kobe didn't deserve it compared to Nash because of what Nash did without Amare when people where saying the Suns would struggle to make the 6th or 7th seed. If you also look at history, I think it's something like the last 10 MVP's have come from a team with a top 3 winning record in the league. In retrospect, Kobe had no chance.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting K8B:</div><div class="quote_post">Not true. If you give Nash our starting lineup. Lamar would be averaging 20, 10, and 6. Kwame would be averaging 15 and 8. Nash? 20 and 10. At first, I thought Kobe was ripped. Then I thought about it, Kobe didn't deserve it compared to Nash because of what Nash did without Amare when people where saying the Suns would struggle to make the 6th or 7th seed. If you also look at history, I think it's something like the last 10 MVP's have come from a team with a top 3 winning record in the league. In retrospect, Kobe had no chance.</div> A clear thinking kobe fan maybe a first?
i see no problem with nash winning and lebron getting second...and no problem with Dirk being 3rd. It was a tough race this year, lots of quality players but only 1 award. In the end what Bryant did just wasnt enough. He scored alot of points but didnt do it effeciently enough. He got his team to the playoffs, but didnt get 50 wins which is really a necessity when talking about MVP's. Kobe's a strong 4th, maybe even 3rd over Dirk....but in my mind he's still behind lebron and nash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LO7:</div><div class="quote_post">Why is Lebron in second place? Is it because he wears 23? Or is it because we are all witnessing grand larsony?</div> I would take 31 7 and 7 over 35 5 and 5. Especially when he has 5 more wins. That's just me though. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting LO7:</div><div class="quote_post">Magic and Jordan are the only guards who have won back 2 back MVP's! I dont even feel right mentioning nash in that group. When was the last time a player won the MVP award while scoring under 20 ppg? Thats easy... Nash did! for tehsecond straight year.</div> Are you serious? That's why there is something called a scoring title. The leading scorer rarely wins the award because normally they don't make their team better. To not give Nash the award because he will be up with Magic and Jordan is just plain stupid. He deserves it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting LO7:</div><div class="quote_post">Or how about average 81 ppg for a season, maybe and only maybe will he then be considered as a candidate dont you think?</div> If he is the 7th seed, he still wouldn't win it. Also being 4th now doesn't make you a candidate? Coming in 4th is damn good and would tell me that you were in the running the entire time. You guys are acting like he got 0 votes. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post"> I don't think people realise that we were five games clear of making the playoffs and we had the 10th best winning percentage in the whole of the NBA. That in itself is quite an accomplishment when you consider the support that Kobe has. Nash won nine more games than Kobe with his supporting cast. When you compare the other players on both teams, nine games isn't a huge margin to make Nash more deserving of MVP.</div> I disagree. I think Kobe's supporting cast is underrated. Lamar Odom is a very good player. Smush Parker, Brian Cook, and Kwame Brown have had good seasons. I will be honest with you guys, I haven't seen many Laker games except bits and pieces of them and most of the games against the Magic. Against the Magic Kobe was passing and they owned us the first game, then the 2nd game it was more of the same thing. (Kobe passing), but the supporting cast struggled. They are all very young, so they will be inconsistent. I honestly really like what they are doing around Kobe. I know I'm the minority in that aspect. Kobe just needs to realize the games when his teammates are hitting their shots and he can just coast until the 4th quarter and then take over there or focus most of his energy on defense/creating shots for his teammates. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trench:</div><div class="quote_post">The Media sucks. Nash is the media darling.</div> Are you serious? All you hear about on ESPN and the NBA shows is Kobe this Kobe that. ------- I think that Kobe deserves to be 4th in voting. I am normally a "Kobe hater" but I give him his props. He's having an amazing season, but like someone else said when MJ was avg this amount of pts and Bulls not as good, he wasn't winning MVP's. I do agree with shape though, him not getting votes from 13 sportswriters is just horrible. I don't know how anyone can validate the thought process in doing that. He shoulda at least got a 5th place vote at the worst. This IMO is the only thing you guys can complain about. Give Nash his props, he deserved it.
Huge Laker and Kobe fan here and I have never felt like Kobe did enough to supplant Nash as the MVP for this season. He made a strong run down the stretch and had an amazing January... but just not enough in my mind... partially because of his team and partially because of what Nash has been able to do for Phoenix. But I did expect Kobe to be second in voting... How many articles have been posted on ESPN by Sportswriters claiming Kobe is their MVP? The debate for the most part has been between Kobe and Nash. So to me Kobe's fourth place finish is the real travesty here. I am wondering if these votes were made AFTER the first round games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I would take 31 7 and 7 over 35 5 and 5. Especially when he has 5 more wins. That's just me though. </div> Please note that I'm not biased but I can easily counter your points. First, Cleveland is in the Eastern conference which barely held 5 teams over .500 in the playoffs (correct me if I'm wrong, it was either 4 or 5 but yeah, point is, it's WEAK). Even though the East is so weak, Lebron's team, clearly with a much more talented supporting cast (Larry Hughes, Marshall, Jones, Snow, Brazilian) still mangaed only 5 more wins...in the EASTERN CONFERENCE. You do realize that, given the current record in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, facing superior opponents more frequently, the Lakers would have been fifth in the East? (Just with thier current record) Now, imagine if the Lakers got to face teams like the Raptors, Hawks, Knicks, and others two more times a year? How much more victories would that equal to? Sure, it's a hypothetical situation but it's definetly not far fetched. If the Lakers were in the East, given thier current record, they could have definetly finished 3rd or 4th. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Are you serious? That's why there is something called a scoring title. The leading scorer rarely wins the award because normally they don't make their team better. To not give Nash the award because he will be up with Magic and Jordan is just plain stupid. He deserves it. </div> Agreed. I hate the "he's scored more points" arguement. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Media sucks. Nash is the media darling. </div> Not really. Kobe is much more of a fan favourite now (especially with the media) then one notices I think. ESPN is always all over him in a positive way. The guy gets his propes where he deserves, but he'll have to get higher then a seventh seed to get MVP honours. In correspondence with my aforementioned arguement about Lebron...I would have had him 4th in the MVP running behind Nash, Kobe and Dirk.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Please note that I'm not biased but I can easily counter your points. First, Cleveland is in the Eastern conference which barely held 5 teams over .500 in the playoffs (correct me if I'm wrong, it was either 4 or 5 but yeah, point is, it's WEAK). Even though the East is so weak, Lebron's team, clearly with a much more talented supporting cast (Larry Hughes, Marshall, Jones, Snow, Brazilian) still mangaed only 5 more wins...in the EASTERN CONFERENCE. You do realize that, given the current record in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, facing superior opponents more frequently, the Lakers would have been fifth in the East? (Just with thier current record) Now, imagine if the Lakers got to face teams like the Raptors, Hawks, Knicks, and others two more times a year? How much more victories would that equal to? Sure, it's a hypothetical situation but it's definetly not far fetched. If the Lakers were in the East, given thier current record, they could have definetly finished 3rd or 4th. Agreed. I hate the "he's scored more points" arguement. Not really. Kobe is much more of a fan favourite now (especially with the media) then one notices I think. ESPN is always all over him in a positive way. The guy gets his propes where he deserves, but he'll have to get higher then a seventh seed to get MVP honours. In correspondence with my aforementioned arguement about Lebron...I would have had him 4th in the MVP running behind Nash, Kobe and Dirk.</div> Couldn't agree with you more. I am not mad at Nash winning his second MVP. I am a little perturbed by Kobe's fourth place finish.
Congrats to Nash on the 2nd straight MVP, but a few things.. - I can understand Kobe not winning the MVP, and even him finishing 4th...but how the hell can he be left of some peoples lists completely for the MVP voting?? - My personal MVP for this year was Dirk. - It's odd how Steve Nash has two MVPs and Shaq (the best player this decade) only has one?? i guess this goes to show how people take Shaq for granted..
