<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spyware:</div><div class="quote_post">Like I said, this isn't a total rebuilding year. We have the right guys already, just a few more are needed. Take away the 1-15 start and we're in the postseason with what we have now. Why would we want to change that?</div> what's good about making the offseason in eastern conference? i see toronto making offseason this year as a loss than gain why? do you want to go into offseason just for the sake of it and be swept in 1st round and get awful draft pick position with a sub 500 record? the way i see it is..make the postseason when you have the assets to get into it, and make splash and go deep into playoffs otherwise it's more like a suck up to the idiotic MLSE owners also...this is not Slam Dunk (heard of the comic?) we talking about here, where 5 players can get you to playoffs this is a real life basketball team, it's a team effort and usually you need to be at least 8 men deep to make some noise into the playoffs i always trust in depth and potential not allstar power toronto seriously lack depth now 2006 free agent pool is the year you want to gain depth because lots of role players in there 2007 is where you nab a couple allstar calibre players (allstar calibre is not allstar) then the team is set for playoffs the team has too many holes to fill therefore i don't agree with "we are a few pieces away from contending" thing
Mo Pete is a keeper! Very solid defender, very good outside game, hard worker, team leader, and dirt cheap contract! when he becomes a free agent no doubt he'll prefer to stay in Toronto...and i dont think its unreasonable that we'll be able to get him locked in for 6 million a year. keep him.
his current contract IS around the 6 million clip (correct me if i am wrong) there has to be a raise... he works hard...but i am not sure about the team leader part "very solid defender?" you serious about this? he's above avg at best very good outside game? not sure about that either...he's solid but i won't call him a very good shooter
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">i believe i mentioned on previous posts that if he is not committed to playing hard, then NO TRADE peterson is ok player, i see him avg 16ppg at most in his career but it seems like toronto fans treat him like superstar you guys need to understand the fact that he look so "good" right now because the team is so damn awful just look at mike james and peterson is not an "excellent defender" as i have read from some people on this forum....he is above avg AT BEST and "best defender on the team" doesn't really mean anything unless you are in san antonio but of course, he seems like defensive player of the year in toronto because toronto has no defence at all, consistently creating career highs/NBA highs/season highs/franchise highs for opponents anyways, i am just posting on a pure business perspective see...the thing is peterson is that his contract expires in 2007 and that's the year lots of good free agents will be available why not trade him now? (don't forget toronto also has to sign bosh to a max to keep him...which is pretty much huge chunk of the money toronto saved from jalen rose trade) making toronto limited for offseason 2007 save the money to do something big in 2007, and get draft picks or young players like JR (i repeat, doesn't HAVE to be JR, and absolutely no deal if JR still slacks and have that awful attitude with him) while peterson's value is high</div> Well its pretty evident that Smith lacks the work ethic. If you were to sell Peterson at his high value, you would want a finished product, not a prospect. Here's where your approach is wrong. You're trading Peterson at his highest value, because you want a superstar. The Raptors really don't need that. Bosh, and maybe even Villanueva, will be our primary options in the future. Players that average 16 ppg within the system, take a leadership role, and are committed to defense, are the types of players that the Raps need to round out the roster. Unlike James, Mo-Pete could be a solid piece of the puzzle on any team. He's not an amazing defender, but he's definitely above average. Right now the Raps need to look for people that rebound, defend, and pass. They don't need superstars. And in terms of a business perspective, you're buying for the names not based on our needs. Again, that buy-low, sell-high tactic can only work for so long. Its not like NBA Live's Franchise mode: Eventually you're going to have to settle with a team that can mature together, even past their prime.
I think the Raps should keep the core they have now and just trade the extra baggage, meaning Woods, E. Williams, Araujo- to some sort of package. The Raps don't really need to trade any of their key guys because it will only lead to a step backwards and I think everyone is tired of all of these constant changes in the roster. Find a stable core and stick to it, ie. Detroit, San Antonio. And in my opinion, Peterson is a valuable part of this foundation we have right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">peterson will do well with chris paul feeding him the ball as well</div> Who care's if he does good in New Orleans, I don't want JR, untill he shows me that he can be worth it. I want to keep mo pete, he's great defensively, offensively, and be a good team player.
well if JR is not committed, then probably waste an eric williams+2nd rounder on JR that's the most i would spend on him if he's not committed i meant...eric williams is not committed either basically it's JR for 2nd rounder which i think is OK
Also, i am not saying you HAVE to let peterson go it's more like an option toronto should look at because they need to think about the upcoming 2007 when his contract expires and how much money he will demand etc if that is the case, then best time to trade is NOW rahter than later also, i need to clarify the fact that i don't think he is bad player he is solid, not superstar...however he is not a defence machine+allstar as spyware is trying to phrase just saying other than mike james, he is an asset toronto CAN trade and package up with the excess garbage toronto has
It just seems like you're suggesting this trade just for the sake of trading. Unless we can make our team clearly better or improve for the future (which is unclear at this point with your proposed trade), MoPete is too valuable to our team right now. He is our only reliable outside shooter and he is our best defender.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">however he is not a defence machine+allstar as spyware is trying to phrase</div> I think you've misunderstood me. I never said Peterson is an all-star, but I mentioned that he is our best defensive player and I believe he is one of the most underrated basketball players in the league. And where are these JR Smith orgasms coming from? I hope you do not get offended (if you're a JR Smith fan), but I think he's mediocre beyond any doubt. Morris Peterson is a great rotation player, but I'm sure if there is someone that has to go and could get us some good players/cash/draft picks in return - it will involve Mike James in a package.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">his current contract IS around the 6 million clip (correct me if i am wrong) there has to be a raise... he works hard...but i am not sure about the team leader part "very solid defender?" you serious about this? he's above avg at best very good outside game? not sure about that either...he's solid but i won't call him a very good shooter</div> He's getting paid 4.5 million a year at the moment. I think a 1.5 million dollar raise + a longer contract so he can end his career in Toronto would be enough to keep him. His defence certainly is better than just "above average" in my opinion. Being on a bad defensive team hurts and helps him in that way. It helps him because next to lesser defenders he looks like some sort of defensive Ace. It hurts him because he doesnt get much help defense. Somebody beats Billups they walk into Ben Wallace or Sheed and Rip...so it doesnt stick in your mind how Billups just got torched. Mo Pete gets beaten and its a dunk or easy flooter and while everyones running down court Leo or Chuck Swirksy start talking about how Mo just got beaten. Has for his shot, he's great because he always seems to make the ones that matter...or at least it seems so. You get him the ball on the corner baseline behind the 3 line and its almost for sure going in. His % is decent at just below 40%, he's 29th in the league in that catagory. He's 6th in 3's attempted and 9th in 3's made. He's an excellent player, well worth the 4.5 million and i dont see why we shouldnt try to keep him. Keep him here, sign some quality players and trade our pick to help bring in some solid low post or point gaurd help.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">well if JR is not committed, then probably waste an eric williams+2nd rounder on JR that's the most i would spend on him if he's not committed i meant...eric williams is not committed either basically it's JR for 2nd rounder which i think is OK</div> how can you determine if someone is going to be committed or not?? With the Hornets he's done nothing to grow as a player or person. There's not one part of him that seems ready to work hard, so he has low value because of that. Its not like we can make a trade for him, and if down the road he doesnt try hard, ask for part of our trade package back.
oh well...like i said...the consolation here is eric williams+2nd rounder for JR why not? not like this year's draft class is strong and nobody wanted eric
I wouldn't trade Peterson for JR + a draft pick. Peterson is a sure thing while JR is not. That said JR could be a steal for the Raps. What everyone is forgetting when they talk about his work ethic is that he came straight out of high school and has a lot of growing up and maturing to do physically and mentally. Kobe took a few years to 'get it' so there is still hope for JR. But right now I wouldn't trade more than a 2nd rounder or two for him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">what's good about making the offseason in eastern conference? i see toronto making offseason this year as a loss than gain why? do you want to go into offseason just for the sake of it and be swept in 1st round and get awful draft pick position with a sub 500 record?</div> I can't believe I'm hearing this from a Raptors "supporter." First of all, there is nothing more pleasing to a supporter than seeing his team make it to the postseason. There is no such thing as "wanting to go into the postseason for the sake of it." The draft is a given- it is there for everyone at the end of the season, the playoffs are not. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">the way i see it is..make the postseason when you have the assets to get into it, and make splash and go deep into playoffs</div> Assets? The Raptors have Chris Bosh, is he not an asset? Morris Peterson, is he not an asset? Charlie Villanueva, Joey Graham, Mike James. Of course, they're not a Pistons team or a Suns team, but I think playoff experience and a winning mentality is better than a losing one. You're not a true supporter if you're honestly cheering for "your team" to lose. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hohoyoyoyo:</div><div class="quote_post">also...this is not Slam Dunk (heard of the comic?) we talking about here, where 5 players can get you to playoffs</div> Who was comparing the NBA to a comic?
i am not a supporter of toronto..isn't it obvious from my sig? however, i want the team to be competitive...since i am in toronto at this moment bosh+charlie are assets peterson can be an asset if he shows up he can do well for the ENTIRE season...that's 3 players can 3 players get you into playoffs? NO but people like spyware will definitely say Heck YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH can 3 players get you deep into playoffs? NO NBA has 82 games winning 40 of them and sneak into 8th spot in east is not really playoff team that's what i am trying to be clear here i want them to make playoffs, no doubt about it but i would hate it if they just show up a playoff team when they really aren't Why? simply because by NOT making playoffs when you know you don't deserve it, get a lottery pick is better think over the last paragraph for a sec..i don't mean to say "yeah, give up the season and lets get #1 overall pick" what i meant to say is...play hard, try as much as you can but when you know the limit is there and there is maybe a week or two left yet you are 5GB to the last spot...then forget it...play your younger guys to develop and draft strong add a few more free agent then next year you are really talking serious about contending to maybe beyond 2nd round you don't want a team that goes to playoffs for just 1 year do you? if you are really a fan you want them to see them as many years in playoffs consecutively as you can 3 players can't win you a game unless you got 3 allstars and that's certainly not the case in toronto...at least not yet i don't have a problem with most people's comments regarding their beloved toronto team but you...spyware...when you post, you seem to think i am trying to destroy your ideal championship team and that you still sound as if almost everybody on toronto are allstars or allstar potential (like joey graham+mike james...heck maybe even calderon) and they are NOT i repeat, mike james plays like an allstar because the team is so damn bad charlie had a great season, but if he can play like this with the minutes he is given, then so can other decent rookies like felton (he already did if not better), granger etc i am not saying charlie is bad i am just saying others can potentially be as good if given the chance he has in toronto
production is not linear with playing time it changes....other teams concentrate on you more defensively and fatige also factors in. There are other variables but its not like you can say "granger could do what charlie did if he had the same tam/minutes". Maybe maybe not who knows....but regardless its stupid to make claims of something happening that there's absolutely no possibility of testing. Case in point...could Sweetney on the bulls put up 21 and 13 if he played 48 minutes?
the only way we'd get iverson is if we traded bosh ..and i dont think any of us would want that oh ya not to mention, i wouldn't want iverson anyways
